"TradWives" Triggering Unhappy Feminists

[Captain X]

And now you're putting words in my mouth.

 

[King Arts]

And now you're putting words in my mouth.

I’m not putting words in your mouth. I’m merely saying that that is not hat happens if you take the view “there is nothing wrong with sex work” to its conclusion.

 

[Captain X]

Sure, Lyle.

 

[King Arts]

Sure, Lyle.

Lyle? What? Anyway why don’t you quote or engage with the argument.
Correct me if I’m wrong but you did say that there is nothing wrong with people choosing sex work?

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

I've long since stopped caring what "studies" say. They can say whatever someone who has an agenda wants them to say. Really they say whatever whoever paid for them wants them to say.

100% this. Pay a 'scientist' to make a study and you can make masturbation anywhere from 'super AIDS' to 'prolongs your lifespan by 30 years'.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

100% this. Pay a 'scientist' to make a study and you can make masturbation anywhere from 'super AIDS' to 'prolongs your lifespan by 30 years'.

yeah I'm not sure I trust the science on ANYTHING regarding sex one side or the other. Not without proof and testimony to back it up. I didn't really have a solid opinion on gender dysphoria till those tapes came out revealing the real purpobehind it and all of those de-transitioners started coming out with their stories.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

I think there was/is somewhat of a hygiene argument against frequent masturbation for most of human history, from a purely infection/fungal/debris issue perspective.

Also, well, getting sand or dirt or what-have-you into your tender bits while fapping/slichking could be fatal if it got irritated/went septic.

Having access to indoor plumbing and basic hygiene products of the modern day vastly reduces the amount of risk involved with regards to everything regarding reproductive health, including masturbation habits/actions during puberty and later into life.

Studies about effects on puberty, long-term health, and such in the modern day I also take with massive, massive grains of salt, because said studies on masturbation also rarely account for the environmental and pharmicalogical sources of shit that messes with hormones levels and the endocrine system as a whole. That's even before the Puritanicals get their say in the issue, which adds another layer of social manipulation to the topic.

Lot easy to blame things on porn than to look harder at what is in your kids food or do digging into the long term effects of common household hygiene/health care products.

interesting how there are hard clamps on the use of artificial testosterone and yet no one talks about the ridiculous amount of artificial estrogen in a lot of grooming products.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

interesting how there are hard clamps on the use of artificial testosterone and yet no one talks about the ridiculous amount of artificial estrogen in a lot of grooming products.

They want to feminize men, it's pretty obvious that is what they want, given that you can get estrogenic shit with trivial ease, but test is illegal in most places.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

They want to feminize men, it's pretty obvious that is what they want, given that you can get estrogenic shit with trivial ease, but test is illegal in most places.

I wonder what the effects of it are on women. We know for a fact that testosterone overdoses do horrific damage to a man long term and it's our primary hormone so it seems logical that estrogen overdoes could have a negative effect on women as well

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

I wonder what the effects of it are on women. We know for a fact that testosterone overdoses do horrific damage to a man long term and it's our primary hormone so it seems logical that estrogen overdoes could have a negative effect on women as well

I mean so far women are getting fertility problems, and women are getting huge for some reason.

 

[Cherico]

I mean so far women are getting fertility problems, and women are getting huge for some reason.

That might be an obesity thing

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

That might be an obesity thing

They're not just getting wider though, they're getting taller and more heavily built. A lot of them outsize their male counterparts nowadays which would be a completely alien concept a mere thirty years ago.

 

[mrttao]

I've long since stopped caring what "studies" say. They can say whatever someone who has an agenda wants them to say. Really they say whatever whoever paid for them wants them to say.

Fair, scientists cannot be trusted.

But the drop in testosterone levels when cooming seems legit.
As is the overall population drop in testosterone (which nobody seems to know why is happening)

A population-level decline in serum testosterone levels in American men - PubMed

These results indicate that recent years have seen a substantial, and as yet unrecognized, age-independent population-level decrease in T in American men, potentially attributable to birth cohort differences or to health or environmental effects not captured in observed data.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

the effects lowered testosterone has on puberty were just my own logical deduction. And I left them as vague "bad things".
rather than specific studies...
although... actually we could look at victims of puberty blockers to see the results of disrupted testosterone during puberty.

also, masturbation is probably not the only cause of the declining T levels in men.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Fair, scientists cannot be trusted.

But the drop in testosterone levels when cooming seems legit.
As is the overall population drop in testosterone (which nobody seems to know why is happening)

A population-level decline in serum testosterone levels in American men - PubMed

These results indicate that recent years have seen a substantial, and as yet unrecognized, age-independent population-level decrease in T in American men, potentially attributable to birth cohort differences or to health or environmental effects not captured in observed data.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

the effects lowered testosterone has on puberty were just my own logical deduction. And I left them as vague "bad things".
rather than specific studies...
although... actually we could look at victims of puberty blockers to see the results of disrupted testosterone during puberty.

also, masturbation is probably not the only cause of the declining T levels in men.

Alot of low t can be contributed to poor diet and lack of exercise too.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

They're not just getting wider though, they're getting taller and more heavily built. A lot of them outsize their male counterparts nowadays which would be a completely alien concept a mere thirty years ago.

I think that's kinda cool but I'm a small dude. I long for that which I lack.

 

[mrttao]

100% this. Pay a 'scientist' to make a study and you can make masturbation anywhere from 'super AIDS' to 'prolongs your lifespan by 30 years'.

well... sometimes you get an honest scientist... but they are easily silenced

TLDR:
EPA: 34 out of 36 studies say your pesticide atrazine is bad.
Most of these were funded by you. They still say it is bad.
The scientists you hired to do those studies say you tried to bribe them with millions of dollars to lie and say it is harmless.

Syngenta: here is "good science protocols" for how to test Syngenta(TM) brand pesticide.
Syngenta: here is New Study I made using protocols. showing it is harmless.

EPA: ok. we disqualified all 36 previous studies for not following your "good science protocols" you just wrote. They are now "bad science"
EPA: 100% (1 out of 1) of studies show your pesticide is totes harmless. approved! also since 100% of all scientists agree, it is now a "science consensus" so we will refuse to accept any new studies on the matter.

And this is why our water is full of pesticide that turns frogs intersex. And causes several other problems too.

 

[mrttao]

Alot of low t can be contributed to poor diet and lack of exercise too.

probably a combination of many different factors.
excess masturbation
bad diet
lack of exercise
obesity
microplastics in the water damaging the gonads
female hormones in the water (from the contraceptive pill)
atrazine in the water (farming pesticide that damages the gonads)
excess amount of dietary estrogen (like in soy)
overheating of the gonads from proximity to cellphone / laptops.
and probably other issues

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

overheating of the gonads from proximity to cellphone / laptops.

See this one gets me, I don't use a phone but I sure as hell wouldn't want a portable microwave near my junk for any amount of time lmao.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

probably a combination of many different factors.
excess masturbation
bad diet
lack of exercise
obesity
microplastics in the water damaging the gonads
female hormones in the water (from the contraceptive pill)
atrazine in the water (farming pesticide that damages the gonads)
excess amount of dietary estrogen (like in soy)
overheating of the gonads from proximity to cellphone / laptops.
and probably other issues

On the upside, well over half of those issues are straightforwardly fixable!

 

[Captain X]

Fair, scientists cannot be trusted.

But the drop in testosterone levels when cooming seems legit.
As is the overall population drop in testosterone (which nobody seems to know why is happening)

A population-level decline in serum testosterone levels in American men - PubMed

These results indicate that recent years have seen a substantial, and as yet unrecognized, age-independent population-level decrease in T in American men, potentially attributable to birth cohort differences or to health or environmental effects not captured in observed data.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

the effects lowered testosterone has on puberty were just my own logical deduction. And I left them as vague "bad things".
rather than specific studies...
although... actually we could look at victims of puberty blockers to see the results of disrupted testosterone during puberty.

also, masturbation is probably not the only cause of the declining T levels in men.

Honestly I suspect some dietary reason (given all the hormones given to livestock animals and chemicals used in growing plants, or how much more processed food is now), or some environmental reason. It could even be related to the decline in the strength of Earth's magnetic field, which is allowing radiation from the sun to penetrate further into the atmosphere than it had in the past.