Britain Tommy Robinson
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Harlock
I should have expected that really
Still around but he fucked himself over by being a dick. Last I heard he was stalking a journalist and being investigated for fraud regarding donations to him.
He was useful for drawing attention to topics previously ignored, but there are plenty of others doing the same thing better.
He was useful for drawing attention to topics previously ignored, but there are plenty of others doing the same thing better.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Do you have a grudge against the man or something?
Yes, he's done some stupid things, but the 'stalking a journalist' was 'asked the journalist some questions about his work,' IIRC.
Harlock
I should have expected that really
It was a female journalist investigating the fraud claims against him. He followed her to her home, threatened her, tried to smear her husband as a paedo. All quite legitimately worthy of legal action
Guy is a thug and a hooligan, and I use those terms not as slurs but as dictionary defined. He's a brownshirt, plain and simple.
Curved_Sw0rd
Just Like That Bluebird
There's a reason to skeptical about what the corporate press says about someone all the same. They lie constantly, even the "and" and "but".
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
You have any proof of this, or just slander from the left in the UK?
Because I've seen BS claims like this before, and that's what they've been: BS.
It is fair to say that he was a hooligan when he was younger, but a brownshirt isn't just wrong, it's the exact opposite of the truth. He has been unpersoned by the political establishment to the point where he can't use banks, mentioning his name could get you a ban on facebook, who straight-up admitted they lied about him to get him banned.
He's done stupid things, some of them criminal, but what you're claiming doesn't match anything that's been substantiated.
Harlock
I should have expected that really
A court of law and juries have found them to be true, and unlike the US the courts here are apolitical. Political bias in a judge is grounds for dismissal for instance.
I have no doubt much of the media detests him, yet the woman who actually exposed those grooming gangs he speaks about and the corrupt councils behind them is adored and was awarded a medal by the Queen.
If it was some sort of political media war on all he stands for all those protesting the same things would likewise be banned and targeted. They haven't.
Honestly its just him. He makes bad choices, he lies, he falls too easily back on violence. None of these are good traits. There are many others before and after him fighting the same fight but with honour, those are the people I'll praise.
I have no doubt much of the media detests him, yet the woman who actually exposed those grooming gangs he speaks about and the corrupt councils behind them is adored and was awarded a medal by the Queen.
If it was some sort of political media war on all he stands for all those protesting the same things would likewise be banned and targeted. They haven't.
Honestly its just him. He makes bad choices, he lies, he falls too easily back on violence. None of these are good traits. There are many others before and after him fighting the same fight but with honour, those are the people I'll praise.
Curved_Sw0rd
Just Like That Bluebird
Just how certain are you the courts are apolitical?
Harlock
I should have expected that really
More than a little
Though the stereotypical English judge is an upper class man of advancing years who is staunchly conservative. So if there was political bias it wouldn't be left leaning.
But for hard examples, I can think of instances where the courts have shot down govt attempts to curb freedoms if they violate laws and charters including magna carta or the bill of rights
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
At least one of his convictions was blatantly politically motivated; that you are blind to this tells me a great deal about what you do and do not accurately perceive regarding him.
That you think judges in the UK are apolitical after the bullshit they've put people like Dankula through, is also indicative of how much you do and do not perceive.
Harlock
I should have expected that really
Oh good, its the passive aggressive 'I'm smarter than you' part of the debate which I always look forward to when we converse.
Instead of snide comments about my intellectual faculties how about you name the case which I must have missed.
And Dankula got a slap on the wrist for being a public dick, plus the only reason he even got that is because his defence team were utterly incompetent and failed to push the freedom of expression angle
Instead of snide comments about my intellectual faculties how about you name the case which I must have missed.
And Dankula got a slap on the wrist for being a public dick, plus the only reason he even got that is because his defence team were utterly incompetent and failed to push the freedom of expression angle
Oh?
Isn't he not the first to be arrested for such?
@Harlock, I know what Dankula did for sure - he's been very open about it and I've seen the video for myself. This makes me greatly suspect your claims of Tommy Robinson's actions now. I guess I never took you as a member of the PC Police before now, but I'm having to reconsider that assessment.
Harlock
I should have expected that really
First of his case I've heard about, and importantly the only one to be convicted. There was a second identical case of a man teaching his dog a Nazi salute and while he was complained against it wasn't prosecuted and thrown out before it made it to court.
Dankula's lawyers fucked up by allowing the prosecution to choose the terms of the debate, the other guys defence didn't so he never had an issue. With a better legal team Dank would have probably walked too
Harlock
I should have expected that really
Yeah I saw it too and as I said a different guy did the exact same thing and walked. Its not a problem with the law but with whoever prosecuted and defended him. I can't blame the judge for ruling on the case when the case wasn't represented properly to him
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
It was exactly a problem with the law, and the judge, and the court. That a charge based on teaching a dog to salute to saying meme-German lines from WWII would not be summarily dismissed as absurd, and the person who tried to raise it subjected to a performance review, tells you all you need to know about whether or not British courts and judges are actually apolitical.
That 'gross offense' is a prosecutable offense is a gross injustice.
It absolutely is a problem with the law, because there should have never been charges in the first place. And they should have been thrown out.
You shouldn't NEED a legal team for shit like this. It should never get that far in the first place. The fact that it did, does indeed mean there is a problem with the law.
I mean, I am absolutely solid in my belief that one should never face any kind of charges whatsoever for teaching their dog to raise their paw, and that charging someone for something like that, is tyranny.
