Breaking News Time Magazine openly admits to a bi-partisan, elite lead rigging ("fortifying") of the election

[Abhorsen]

Its not off topic its like a series of dominos you tip one over and you know the results before hand.

No, at some point there is a cutoff, and that cutoff is before talking about the civil war. If you want to talk about if a civil war will happen, open a thread for it. Don't distort every thread into Civil War thread N + 1.

 

[Battlegrinder]

His personality and mannerisms is what got him into office. Being willing to finally say what a whole lot of people thought to the media and polical establishments was pretty much his whole attraction. His policies were scattered at best. A nice and polite politician with Trump’s policies is a total dead duck to the people that Trump dragged into the GOP. Ignoring that fraud and not building a personal political base is what dragged Trump down and trying to pin it on his character is pretty much peak establishment GOP though.

Trump didn't have to be nice and polite, he just had to operate with any bit of restraint in how and when he was mean and impolite, which he didn't.

There are so many trends in the USA that you'd have to be irrationally optimistic to have hope for the GOP's future. Young people are increasingly left leaning and demographic changes alone will spell the doom of the Republican Party. If Biden succeeds with any kind of amnesty program, then the GOP is finished on the national level in one fell swoop, with 20+ million new Democrat citizens. Though even without amnesty, we have de facto generational amnesty, since the kids of illegals become citizens automatically, even if the pregnant mother just crossed the border.

I don't think outreach to those demographics is a lost cause (Trump managed it, after all). And Biden doesn't have the votes for amnesty.

Add to this that there was probably large scale election fraud that will never be officially uncovered, and in fact changes will be made to "fortify" the establishment left's control over the mechanisms of voting. Dominion is suing their critics for billions of dollars. This is not democracy.

The fact that dominion is sueing undermines the idea that systemic tampering occured. If it had, they wouldn't have dared sue, becuase as part the trial, they would have to go through discovery and hand their critics the ability to go digging for evidence of fraud. The fact that thier critics have constantly backed down when threatened with legal action only further proves that they never had any evidence dominion was guilty either.

There are other changes that the Democrats could make that permanently strengthens their position. Adding DC and/or Puerto Rico as states would probably mean permanent Democratic majorities in the Senate. Abolishing the Electoral College would make it extremely difficult for the Republicans to win in future national elections. Amnesty, of course, would be the end of not just the GOP but of America itself.

The democrats don't have the votes to pass any of those things, most certainly not abolishing the EC.

Plus all of the big corporations are flexing their muscles and crushing dissent. There is large scale censorship, doxxing, targeting people financially, denying hosting servicing, and so on. More government money is flowing into the hands of the big corporations and they are more and more using their ridiculous amounts of power to support the left/establishment agenda. Look at Time magazine, they even admit that the rich and powerful worked together to change laws. Plus, we have the FBI who did all kinds of horrible illegal stuff to go after Trump and his allies. They won't be punished, in fact their ability to attack their enemies is only becoming stronger. The left are working on all sorts of new laws, or maybe just agency policies, that will target right wing dissenters.

And those blatantly partisan actions only undermine those corporation's appeal and credibility among independent and moderate voters, who are far more numerous than the partisans of either side. It's not going to be a cakewalk going against them, no, but it's entirely feasible.

The extreme left has spent the last year causing violence and burning down cities while the authorities bent over backwards to protect them, then we have one tiny event in DC and there has to be a new War on Terror.

Which will again gut thier credibility, and position a GOP that's able to capitalize on Trump's gains with minority voters to make inroads into those same cities.

We might even see the Biden administration add new seats to the Supreme Court. That would, for all intents and purposes, be the end of the Constitution.

If he does that, which he won't because, again, he doesn't have the votes for it, he starts a civil war, one that his side cannot win.

 

[Captain X]

The fact that dominion is sueing undermines the idea that systemic tampering occured. If it had, they wouldn't have dared sue, becuase as part the trial, they would have to go through discovery and hand their critics the ability to go digging for evidence of fraud. The fact that thier critics have constantly backed down when threatened with legal action only further proves that they never had any evidence dominion was guilty either.

Yeah, it's certainly never happened where evidence has been hidden by someone, or that they just refused to hand it over. And having state support and/or a judge who isn't actually impartial wouldn't help at all with that, either, especially when it would help discredit political opposition.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

If the GOP splits into a Republican Party and Patriot Party, then neither can win national elections.

The Republican Party would implode as the Patriot Party steals their thunder. It would be like Labour and the Liberals in early 20th century Britain, one side is more coherent, new, and offers so very much more.

Or, more likely, the Patriot Party does well in the polls and that scares the shit out of the Republicans. At which point, they start bending the knee to the American Nationalists or else they'd be steadily destroyed.

 

[LindyAF]

Okay, to go back to the time article and expound on what we can take away...

One thing I and the Federalist thought was noteworthy was that the left had a network of more than 150 groups, including at least antifa-adjacent ones and ones that share membership with antifa chapters, ready to go or no go on Nov 4th effectively at a text message from a cabal put together by a high level organizers who the democrat establishment and elected democrats regularly rub shoulders with. This isn't to say that the radical left is all run from on high, it isn't, but it does have have plenty of links to the establishment, and they coordinate, evidently to a much greater extent than I thought. The establishment left also runs cover for their radicals, both with slanted coverage and legal defense (for instance, Harris pushed the MFF).

It isn't this way at all on the right, at least in my experience. Certainly the Stop the Steal protests were not ready to go in any significant capacity on the 4th and took awhile to build steam, and their connections with Trump were tenuous at best.

I remember this manifested notably in the campaign during one of the debates, with Trump receiving a question about the Proud Boys and biden receiving one about the antifa. Trump pretty clearly didn't know who the Proud Boys even were, and so begged off the question (and later disavowed), biden on the other hand gave a talking points espoused by antifa linked journalists about it being an "ideology" not an "organization."

But why don't we have similar connections and networks on our side? It's not like the Proud Boys are politically untouchable or anything- they're pro Western Civilization "Western Chauvinist" Civic Nationalists. Their talking points are stuff even establishment Republicans will claim they agree with. This isn't like, Atomwaffen or something we're talking about here. I don't think even most boomercons have a negative reaction to them.

 

[LindyAF]

I think our side doesn't do informal agreements and spread out factional groups that are still on the same page as well as the left does though. In my view something that should get pushed is for the Republican party having a unified militant wing. Take the Proud Boys, Patriot Prayer, Oathkeepers, maybe some big Militias that aren't too out there, nationalize & unify them as an official part of the party. Start using them as an in-house organization for event security and stuff. Have the party offer legal help, spin, and maybe even ideally help purging the feds.

 

[Terthna]

Trump didn't have to be nice and polite, he just had to operate with any bit of restraint in how and when he was mean and impolite, which he didn't.



I don't think outreach to those demographics is a lost cause (Trump managed it, after all). And Biden doesn't have the votes for amnesty.



The fact that dominion is sueing undermines the idea that systemic tampering occured. If it had, they wouldn't have dared sue, becuase as part the trial, they would have to go through discovery and hand their critics the ability to go digging for evidence of fraud. The fact that thier critics have constantly backed down when threatened with legal action only further proves that they never had any evidence dominion was guilty either.



The democrats don't have the votes to pass any of those things, most certainly not abolishing the EC.



And those blatantly partisan actions only undermine those corporation's appeal and credibility among independent and moderate voters, who are far more numerous than the partisans of either side. It's not going to be a cakewalk going against them, no, but it's entirely feasible.



Which will again gut thier credibility, and position a GOP that's able to capitalize on Trump's gains with minority voters to make inroads into those same cities.



If he does that, which he won't because, again, he doesn't have the votes for it, he starts a civil war, one that his side cannot win.

You will at least concede that the results of the 2020 election were fraudulent though, won't you? And that it's unlikely that those involved will ever be punished for it?

 

[Lord Sovereign]

And that it's unlikely that those involved will ever be punished for it?

Alas, no. But take heart. No man, no matter how powerful in life, can escape posterity. Even if an exact name and face can't be put to it, History will know them one way or the other.

 

[Battlegrinder]

You will at least concede that the results of the 2020 election were fraudulent though, won't you? And that it's unlikely that those involved will ever be punished for it?

Fraudulent, no. That implies the actual votes were altered, which is not proven. People were manipulated to vote a certain way, but that's how all campaigning works, the dems were just a a lot better and a lot less ethical at it this time.

 

[Terthna]

Fraudulent, no. That implies the actual votes were altered, which is not proven. People were manipulated to vote a certain way, but that's how all campaigning works, the dems were just a a lot better and a lot less ethical at it this time.

...At this point, I think it's impossible to prove anything to you. This isn't about the facts anymore to you; it's about what you want to believe.

Edit: I have video evidence and witness accounts; you have assumptions and appeals to authority. You just straight up don't want to believe that fraud occurred; therefor, you never will, no matter how much evidence people present to you.

 

[S'task]

But why don't we have similar connections and networks on our side? It's not like the Proud Boys are politically untouchable or anything- they're pro Western Civilization "Western Chauvinist" Civic Nationalists. Their talking points are stuff even establishment Republicans will claim they agree with. This isn't like, Atomwaffen or something we're talking about here. I don't think even most boomercons have a negative reaction to them.

Historically, the right did. You probably even remember it as the Great Boogyman of the 90s, the "Moral Majority". You had a lot of national grassroots organizations built up in the SocialCons. However, the establishment right, media, and academia hated socialcons and have been chipping away at their establishments and reputation for decades. Local churches, homeschool groups, pro-life organizations were the lifeblood of grassroots organizing on the right for decades, and to an extent still exsist, but have waned in their influence. The Tea Party also tried to organize a lot of grassroots groups, but were actively stymied by the Obama administration weaponizing the IRS, which managed to slow their development enough that the Tea Party ended up having to depend on the Establishment Republicans more than they would have liked, and they eventually lost steam.

Since that time, the Republican Establishment has seriously neglected grassroots organizing. Many in the establishment fear to be associated with them, I think, all the "racist hicks" and "backwoods Christians"."

 

[AnimalNoodles]

Historically, the right did. You probably even remember it as the Great Boogyman of the 90s, the "Moral Majority". You had a lot of national grassroots organizations built up in the SocialCons. However, the establishment right, media, and academia hated socialcons and have been chipping away at their establishments and reputation for decades. Local churches, homeschool groups, pro-life organizations were the lifeblood of grassroots organizing on the right for decades, and to an extent still exsist, but have waned in their influence. The Tea Party also tried to organize a lot of grassroots groups, but were actively stymied by the Obama administration weaponizing the IRS, which managed to slow their development enough that the Tea Party ended up having to depend on the Establishment Republicans more than they would have liked, and they eventually lost steam.

Since that time, the Republican Establishment has seriously neglected grassroots organizing. Many in the establishment fear to be associated with them, I think, all the "racist hicks" and "backwoods Christians"."

This a million times. The right is actively stymied in any real organising by its own leaders. Anything that doesnt result in lower taxes or attacking Israel's enemies is deliberately suppressed. Thats why the first organising has to be done against its own leaders. This strife on the right needs to happen.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Since that time, the Republican Establishment has seriously neglected grassroots organizing. Many in the establishment fear to be associated with them, I think, all the "racist hicks" and "backwoods Christians"."

Disdain for the commoners, eh? An aristocracy in everything but name.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

Disdain for the commoners, eh? An aristocracy in everything but name.

The commentary at the Bulwark shows what they have always thought of the grassroots. Remember when Bill Kristol said the white working classes were too lazy and unambitious and need to be replaced with mexicans who will work harder for less? Thats what they have always thought. They have always seen the deplorables as tax serfs, labour and cannon fodder and nothing else.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

Remember when Bill Kristol said the white working classes were too lazy and unambitious and need to be replaced with mexicans who will work harder for less?

I'd like to hear the logic behind THAT. "I refuse to work under the hot sun for literal pennies! Fuck you, pay me a real wage!"
"You are a lazy and greedy serf! I will replace you!"

 

[AnimalNoodles]

I'd like to hear the logic behind THAT. "I refuse to work under the hot sun for literal pennies! Fuck you, pay me a real wage!"
"You are a lazy and greedy serf! I will replace you!"

and that is the logic. We exist to be exploited. They powers that be are happy to give us welfare, but any attempt to gain power and influence will be smashed and we if arent providing enough profit we will be replaced by others who will provide profit.

 

[Rocinante]

and that is the logic. We exist to be exploited. They powers that be are happy to give us welfare, but any attempt to gain power and influence will be smashed and we arent providing enough profit we will be replaced byothers who will provide profit.

You provide enough welfare the the bottom class doesn't rise up. But little enough that they don't have any real power.

And you destroy their opportunities to uplift themselves. Keep them on the government dole, and they keep voting for you.

It's a dirty and perverse system and both sides are in on it.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

You provide enough welfare the the bottom class doesn't rise up. But little enough that they don't have any real power.

And you destroy their opportunities to uplift themselves. Keep them on the government dole, and they keep voting for you.

It's a dirty and perverse system and both sides are in on it.

its not merely the welfare class. Its the deplorables period. We arent allowed any influence or power. We are occupied.

 

[FriedCFour]

You provide enough welfare the the bottom class doesn't rise up. But little enough that they don't have any real power.

And you destroy their opportunities to uplift themselves. Keep them on the government dole, and they keep voting for you.

It's a dirty and perverse system and both sides are in on it.

You’re missing the part where progressive social issues are pushed by globalist mega corps and the elite in order to give something for the liberal and leftist activists to focus on, so that way another Occupy Wallstreet or something more effective never happens again with their attention occupied by blaming white men for all the worlds ills.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

You’re missing the part where progressive social issues are pushed by globalist mega corps and the elite in order to give something for the liberal and leftist activists to focus on, so that way another Occupy Wallstreet or something more effective never happens again with their attention occupied by blaming white men for all the worlds ills.

Hmm...

I wouldn't entirely agree. Yes, absolutely the corrupt are taking advantage of the modern malaise, but they aren't in the driver's seat. This, unfortunately, seems to be the result of the demons unleashed in 1789 being allowed to metastasize over the centuries. Pathologically frightened of boat rocking conservatives are ideologically ill-equipped to deal with Rousseau's ghost.

You could mediate with the Classical Liberals of yesteryear.

Socialists perceive mediation as a sign of weakness. The Right needs to learn that distinction.