It's *Mexico* that has way too much political clout -- the Wellton-Mohawk Irrigation and Drainage District supplies an extremely fertile breadbasket region which is massively more productive than the Mexican farmland it "ruins".
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It's *Mexico* that has way too much political clout -- the Wellton-Mohawk Irrigation and Drainage District supplies an extremely fertile breadbasket region which is massively more productive than the Mexican farmland it "ruins".
Bear Ribs
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Why? We've destroyed plenty of existing natural habitats, if we find that an artificially created one happens to support a range of displaced endangered species, does that make those species less endangered even if it's destroyed, and their habitat less deserving of protection?
Here's the actual assembly bill and current status:
AB 1227 - California Assembly (20212022) - Open States
Link to Download .pdf of current text of Bill
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If you look up the actual law on California's legislative website and examine the "Compare Versions" tab, you see that the bill has been completely changed twice. This is not something extra-specially sneaky; a so-called "gut and amend" has been a legislative procedure in the California state legislature for over a century, and is used to fast track bills directly to the floor for a final vote without letting them be tied up in committees and subcomittees.
This kind of shit needs to be banned.
Attempts to eliminate the practice have happened for as long as it's been a thing, but no success. My point is simply that this is not some special dirty trick for this specific bill.
AspblastUSA
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It’s not even entirely California specific. While the fitting is new, it’s not entirely distinct from the awful rider process that lets congress staple entire bills to the sides of one’s currently at the vote.
I think the problem with banning it is that it’s very fuzzy, from a legal perspective. Everyone can tell when you’re doing it, but how do you define gut-and-amend in such a way that you both actually block it and also don’t ban legitimate procedures?
I think the problem with banning it is that it’s very fuzzy, from a legal perspective. Everyone can tell when you’re doing it, but how do you define gut-and-amend in such a way that you both actually block it and also don’t ban legitimate procedures?
gral
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Least worst way I can think of is by forbidding anything not directly related to what is on the header (I don't know the word in English - the introduction of the law that states what it's about) to be added, and stating changing the header means it's a new proposal, and will have to go through the whole rite of approval from the beginning. Even then, I can see some ways to abuse it (most evident one is the definition of 'directly related').
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Okay everyone, I have changed the thread title to reflect the fact that the ongoing water crisis isn't just limited in scope to California even if they are the biggest factor in it.
We shall now return to the regularly scheduled programing of your minds...
So, a body was recently found in a barrel in Lake Mead due to the water decline from the drought and it's far from the first found. Authorities have stated that the body had a gunshot wound to the head and has most likely been there since the 70's... (Mr Hoffa is that you?
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More human remains found in Lake Mead amid historic low water levels
We shall now return to the regularly scheduled programing of your minds...
So, a body was recently found in a barrel in Lake Mead due to the water decline from the drought and it's far from the first found. Authorities have stated that the body had a gunshot wound to the head and has most likely been there since the 70's... (Mr Hoffa is that you?
)More human remains found in Lake Mead amid historic low water levels
stephen the barbarian
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i heard about it via the radio, one thing that stood out was when the cops flat out told the press that they expect to find more.
Buba
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No need to reinvent the wheel - the requeriment that legislation solely concern what is mentioned in the ordinance's name is a thing in many countries. Even English speaking ones
Interestingly, "only what it says on the label" was in the Constitution of the CSA which otherwise was an almost word-for-word copy of the US one ...
Section VIII, Point 20:
"Every law, or resolution having the force of law, shall relate to but one subject, and that shall be expressed in the title."
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gral
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Yes, that's where I've heard it before(didn't know the exact section, but had heard the CSA Constitution had it).
Buba
A total creep
Fascinating reading it is:
Constitutions of the United States and Confederate States: A Comparison — Civil Discourse
When the new Confederate States came together to form a constitution, they based it on the U.S. Constitution with some revisions it to account for amendments, legislation, and events that had happened since the first document was written. They also added sections and language that specifically prote
civildiscourse-historyblog.com
VII.2
If Congresscritter wishes to floor a bill involving spending, he or she must find lotsa supporters first!
IX.9
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DarthOne
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Guess broken clocks really are right on occasion.Fascinating reading it is:
Line item budget veto!Constitutions of the United States and Confederate States: A Comparison — Civil Discourse
When the new Confederate States came together to form a constitution, they based it on the U.S. Constitution with some revisions it to account for amendments, legislation, and events that had happened since the first document was written. They also added sections and language that specifically prote
VII.2
If Congresscritter wishes to floor a bill involving spending, he or she must find lotsa supporters first!
IX.9
Buba
A total creep
The CSA Constitution was drafted by USA politicians who had worked inside the system for years. They knew what worked and what didn't, they had their likes and dislikes.
Slavery aside, IMO the CSA patch to the original version is an improvement. A tweak here, a nerf there, plus a new exploit or bug over there ...
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History Learner
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Start shoving funding into Nuclear energy research, get Molten Salt Reactors and/or Fusion figured out ASAP. The high temperatures of both make desalination imminently affordable, while USG should leverage subsidies to the Agri-Industry to change practices; farming in California can and should be made more efficient with regards to water usage. Between the two, you could eliminate California's draws on the Colorado and other sources; if it's economic, you can also see about pipping water from the Pacific to Arizona. Supposedly, if diversions from the Truckee River are ended, Lake Lahontan might make a comeback too which would help Nevada.
49ersfootball
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I had no idea that CA had an official State Bird 😕