Knowledgeispower
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Or just set them on fire with some thermite charges
The War in Afghanistan
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The copters being used were the ANA ones....
I am fucking serious. Those are the copters we saw that got from the ANA, not the US
King Arts
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You know is this the first foreign US war where soldiers have not brought back war brides? Like in the world wars against Japan and Germany after the war our soldiers married some of those women same in Vietnam. If we actually installed a military governor in Afghanistan instead of letting them put in a corrupt “democracy” and some of our boys married Afghan women. Would the war have turned out better since we’d have more ties and be better invested in it?
Because it is a LOT different over there culturally then in previous. Plus rules
King Arts
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I get that the culture is different but you could change it by bribed. So that famillies of women who married Americans get extreme preferentially treatment. Like get away with murder level or put them in positions of wealth and power. That’s how Alexander conquered Afghanistan/Bactria.
The military have rules themselves...
We have to accept that fact that we were the "bad guys" in Afghanistan. The puppet gov. that we funded and supported was pure corruption and evil. From boy rapers to your run of the mill super corrupt officials (former President with his 4 cars of cash), they had them all.
The Taliban, for all their evil, were only guilty of letting Osama Bin Laden into their country. They banned child sex, destroyed fields of illegal drugs that would have otherwise headed into North America or Europe, and left the rest of the world alone.
That is why I feel like we should just leave Afghanistan alone. FOREVER. Taliban won this war. They got their country back. And as long as they don't start hosting international terrorist groups again, I don't give a shit what they do in their country. It's theirs now and they are the legal and administrative authorities in Afghanistan.
If they can get rid of the boy fuckers, clean up the drug scene, and slaughter the ISIS fuckers camping out there, then I might even throw in a round of applause.
Taliban: "Hello, China! Do you happen to have UH-60 Blackhawk parts for sale?
China: "Yeah, but we call them Z-20s and the design is slightly upgraded. We could probably still duplicate the part you want if you give us a sample piece."
Taliban: "How much you charging then?"
China: "Gimme 3 sacks of pure opium, 4 sacks of dried apricots, and another 4 sacks of dried nuts and we'll call it a deal."
Naw, just put C4 charges on the important bits and rig them up to blow with a timer.
That's called leaving nothing for the enemy.
Wait a second.
Are you tell me that the US and Coalition brought in military gear to use in the evac and then proceeded to leave that military gear behind?!?
How much did they bring and how much was left behind?
Because it seems like the US has already started delivering aid packages to the Taliban.
And it's the best kind of aid package (at least for the Taliban). Military aid packages.
So, how about you do some research on the China Blackhawk.We have to accept that fact that we were the "bad guys" in Afghanistan. The puppet gov. that we funded and supported was pure corruption and evil. From boy rapers to your run of the mill super corrupt officials (former President with his 4 cars of cash), they had them all.
The Taliban, for all their evil, were only guilty of letting Osama Bin Laden into their country. They banned child sex, destroyed fields of illegal drugs that would have otherwise headed into North America or Europe, and left the rest of the world alone.
That is why I feel like we should just leave Afghanistan alone. FOREVER. Taliban won this war. They got their country back. And as long as they don't start hosting international terrorist groups again, I don't give a shit what they do in their country. It's theirs now and they are the legal and administrative authorities in Afghanistan.
If they can get rid of the boy fuckers, clean up the drug scene, and slaughter the ISIS fuckers camping out there, then I might even throw in a round of applause.
Taliban: "Hello, China! Do you happen to have UH-60 Blackhawk parts for sale?
China: "Yeah, but we call them Z-20s and the design is slightly upgraded. We could probably still duplicate the part you want if you give us a sample piece."
Taliban: "How much you charging then?"
China: "Gimme 3 sacks of pure opium, 4 sacks of dried apricots, and another 4 sacks of dried nuts and we'll call it a deal."
Naw, just put C4 charges on the important bits and rig them up to blow with a timer.
That's called leaving nothing for the enemy.
Wait a second.
Are you tell me that the US and Coalition brought in military gear to use in the evac and then proceeded to leave that military gear behind?!?
How much did they bring and how much was left behind?
Because it seems like the US has already started delivering aid packages to the Taliban.
And it's the best kind of aid package (at least for the Taliban). Military aid packages.
They literally operate the civilian version of the UH 60. Huh, wiers who would have thought. Also, theamount if countries that operate the Blaclhawk is extensive.
US Army aircraft is painted in certain colors. Dark green and black.
They don't paint camo like the ones seen.
This Blackhawks are not US, but ANA.
I domt think you understand how much maintenance and maintaining the Blackhawks take.
Circle of Willis
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More than that, the Coalition actively and aggressively tried to implement globohomo in Afghanistan where it was neither needed nor wanted by the locals. The official figure of the cost for gender programs was $787 million, but pomo gender BS was crammed into basically everything the Coalition was trying to do there according to the Afghanistan Papers (feat. Mike Flynn).
- Literally built a 27% female quota for the Afghan parliament into the post-2001 constitution (resulting in there being many hopelessly unqualified female MPs representing constituencies they had never even been to) and attempted to go for a 10% quota of woman-soldiers in the ANA, not that either proved any more effective at beating back the 'Ban than their male counterparts;
- Fostered corruption by bribing politicians into supporting feminist initiatives;
- Tied the string of requiring gender-balanced councils to local-level infrastructure aid;
- Created programs to get Afghan men to 'examine' their own attitudes and masculinity;
- And persisted in all of the above even when actual observers on the ground regularly reported that it was openly inspiring revolt everywhere outside Kabul. (This, IMO, was the single most damning indicator that the US and Coalition weren't there to 'win' anything resembling a military or even basic political victory - if they did they would've stopped needlessly provoking the Afghans the first time this came up - but that whoever was pulling the strings wouldn't have been satisfied with anything less than the complete transformation of Afghanistan into California without a coast)
That's before we get into the well-known habit of boy rape the ANA and ANP got up to, to the extreme that the Taliban was able to assassinate literally hundreds of Afghan cops by luring them in with the promise of boytoys, and punishing Western troops who were insufficiently inculcated with a sense of cultural relativism and so tried to interfere (ex. Dan Quinn). Apparently Afghan culture had to be respected when it came to mass rape of young boys, but not in any other regard - that stuff had to be blown up as viciously as the Taliban themselves blew up the Buddhas of Bamiyan. Or how, far from trying to stomp out the culture of corruption in the government's ranks, Western politicians and NGOs actively fed it by bribing people & greasing wheels to get anything (including, but definitely not limited to, those gender programs) done - or, at least, the appearance of getting anything done.
And of course, the American embassy in Kabul actually flew the freaking pride flag in June this year and thought to make a statement out of it, while the government they were propping up and trying to socially engineer A-stan through was disintegrating all around them and the Taliban was getting closer by the hour. I legit believe that's going to be an iconic symbol of this war, and of how completely out of touch Western planners were with the social realities of Afghanistan - of how they were unwilling and unable to grasp reality as it was, instead always preferring to entertain their vision of how it should be - all the way to the finish line.
Yeah, no wonder the West lost, it lost the instant it decided to stick around and keep funneling money into this black hole (despite that money increasingly obviously helping nobody and being wanted by none but globohomo NGOs, the military-industrial complex and corrupt Afghan politicians) after whacking Bin Laden. And the Taliban did truly deserve this win, they unironically just saved their country from being colonized and turned into an outpost for degenerate social engineers who saw Afghanistan as a place for their grandest and most expensive experiment yet.
They might be brutal, they might be retrograde, but the 'Ban were genuinely fighting for their country and their traditions against a foreign invader determined to wipe both out so they could shove 21st century progressive mores down the throats of people half a world way who didn't want it and transform their capital into a sandier, landlocked San Francisco or New York. I am still loath to call anyone the 'good guys' in Afghanistan, but in a contest between 'bad' and 'worse guys', I have to concede the dishonor of the latter position did not belong to the Taliban in the end.
Sobek
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And I don't think you understand how crafty the Taliban are, and how little they care about how the US Military would do things.
Exactly. The entire thing was a pathetic attempt at building a liberal democracy (and liberal in the modern, left win meaning sense) for people who didn't want it against their own wishes. They at no point stopped to ask if they was what the Afghans wanted. It was no different from what the USSR tried to do with their own attempt at setting up a government, but I would wager the Coalition did it even worse because the USSR at least had the self awareness that it would always be a puppet to Moscow unlike the Coalition who honestly thought any of it would stand.
Circle of Willis
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Even then, the Soviet puppet government - while repressing religion and promoting feminism - generally avoided rocking the heteronormative boat, to my understanding. (This would have mirrored the Soviets' own stance, they considered sexual deviancy of any kind to be a useful tool in destabilizing their enemies but nothing more than that, and absolutely did not tolerate that stuff at home once they defeated the Whites; indeed IIRC homosexuality was classified as a mental disorder which got in the way of your revolutionary duty to churn out more workers & soldiers for the Revolution, and punished accordingly)
They were also a bit more pragmatic about their cultural revolution and dialed it back down late in the war, when it was clear their initiatives were more trouble than they were worth. The Soviets even whacked the guy who tried to go full-on 'leftist revenge fantasy' on the Afghans. And the last Communist leader of Afghanistan, far from attempting to continue going full Enver Hoxha, went so far as to make Islam the state religion again.
The Communist gov't in Afghanistan consequently lasted 3 years after the Soviets pulled out, and actually outlived its patron by one year. Meanwhile the ramshackle rainbow coalition installed by the US didn't even make it to the official withdrawal date.
King Arts
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It sounds like your army rules are retarded. Trying to change things when they haven’t caused problems for thousands of years is liberal stupidity.
Yes and no, I’m no expert on the Talibans interpretation of Sharia law. But I’m pretty sure Islamic law doesn’t have a conventional age of consent. Everyone knows about Muhammad and Aisha. But you are right that the Taliban was a lot less corrupt and less likely to be rapists than the ANA, and even at the worst the Taliban would only have half the child abuse rates since they would ban abusing boys which are half the population and ideally they would only allow young girls to be married with the male guardians permission. That would probably cut it down even more and might not cause psychological damage. Still not acceptable to civilized nations. But again this isn’t Taliban good they are backwards it’s just the ANA and globohomo was worse since they actually support boy rape.
How is the rules of avoiding marrying Afghan women bad?
That is how you get dragged into helping out the terrorists and get converted.
We have a lot of classes on these kinda things because of what that does
King Arts
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We did not have that problem with Vietnamese women making our soldiers into communists.
Also you seem to defend everything the army does the classes seem stupid it’s just whatever is in charge being pushed down currently that is woke stuff.
Bassoe
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Since when have conquerors cared about what the conquered allowed?