The War in Afghanistan
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Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Ever since WW2 your nation building really sucks ass. McArthur must be laughing in the grave considering his own questionable nationbuilding efforts did last beyond his lifetime.
prinCZess
Warrior, Writer, Performer, Perv
From the looks of things, it might not be bodies but equipment/doctrine(?) that made that decision--the Minnesota Guard unit is an armored/mechanized-infantry unit that brags on the MinGuard website about training exercises in "base defense, tactical logistical resupply, maintenance operations and convoy and recovery operations."
Though the same question still applies as to why no active-duty folks with similar equipment/experience were around, so...*shrug*
^^This is all just the ignorant notes of someone who's closest experience to military decision-making or organization is Tom Clancy books.
We do fight our own wars. Afghanistan and Iraq are your wars, not ours, as you'll soon find out.
Thanks?
We actually do. Which is why we're leaving that shithole.
Oh no, of course not. Either Turkey will be forced to do something (finally), Iran will fill the power gap, or some sort of allied group such as Saudi Arabia, Israel, and whoever else they bring in to help check Iran.
It literally has nothing to do with us. We gave them a trillion dollars of funding in 20 years, including free equipment and training so they could operate as a capable military force. They CHOSE to lie and steal from us, pretending they were doing the right thing and just needing us to stay around a bit longer. And now that judgement day has come, they have been found wanting. Because they are thieves and cowards.
If the people of Israel are so offended, why don't you send troops?
And don't be surprised when we just level the stupid fuck that tries it, instead of knocking them down and building them back up after we're done. I'm sorry, I know this isn't what Israel wants to hear, but we are DONE with the Middle East. If these idiots can't come together with our help in 20 years, another 80 won't make a difference.
Because Afghan men obviously don't care to fight for their women and children. They prefer to flee like cowards to the nearest border.
I sincerely wish that it'll be that easy for you. What I'm saying has nothing to do with Israel, and everything to do with sadness over the sinking of the American empire. You think there would be no direct consequences for American citizens at home, as I said, we'll watch and see.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Stunning and brave.
Oh, there will be consequences. Good and bad. There always are.
Leaving the Middle East without establishing a local balance of power will mean that one power will swoop in and take it--or fight wars with other powers for it. And eventually when a power does fill the void, most probably the Persians or the Turks, we will be forced to address THAT. But preferable to let the Ottomans have a bigger chair at the table than to waste our time trying to fix Afghanistan.
In regards to empire...
We don't WANT to be an empire. We never wanted to be. That part seems to have escaped the rest of the world. We may have taken on the responsibility and sometimes acted in a way similar to an empire, but we never intended for that to happen. And when our leaders tried to fix the world, they found they couldn't. And we, the voters, have decided that their little projects are overdue and we are done with the bullshit.
The rest of the world for the past 20ish years has taken multiple shots at America, either in its policy or behavior, then expected us to continue to protect their trade and maintain the current balance of powers--so they could all take advantage of it. Well, that's over. We're done. You are all grown. We are done playing World Police. China wants to act like it's a super power? Sure, let's see them get past the first Island Chain. Russia wants to eject the US out of its neighborhood? Fine, let's see them deal with a dozen different powers with varying interests--all while they have a shrinking demography. Arabs and Turks and so on want us out of the Middle East? Sure. Enjoy killing each other. And enjoy trying to sell your oil.
This is over. This is happening. We are done playing charity to a planet that is very much ungrateful.
I've said it before, but you don't get the choice. You think you are choosing right now, but it won't stick. You are a powerful nation, and as long as your back is not completely broken, the world will view you as the empire you are and behave accordingly. If you choose to simply withdraw like the course you're headed for right now, you'll simply pay in other ways.
If you want to rage-quit this game, then retire your fleet of aircraft carriers and roll back McDonald's and the other mega-corporations. Haphazardly pulling forces out of one shithole won't do the trick.
Dude, the US is pulling back everywhere. We've not had so few troops stationed outside the US since WWII. We ARE drawing out of every part of the world. We left Syria, pretty much out of Iraq, and we're leaving Afghanistan. The next step will be the US closing bases. The only place we're likely to keep our bases are going to be either key strategic points that have global effect, those that contain China, and probably Poland--to keep Russia and Germany from losing their minds going full throttle.
We can and will be able to shut the world out for a time. And in a few decades, there may be a player both powerful enough and dumb enough to challenge us. But it won't be China and it probably won't be Russia.
This is an extremely naive view. You think the world will keep ticking without your presence, or you think the power fluctuations will leave your citizens and economy alone, or you think by the end of this anyone "dumb enough" to target you (ha!) will be the one on the losing side. We'll see.
In her defense, Kamala probably didn't know where and what Afghanistan was before this weekend. Seems unfair to involve her in this. She's only the VP and runs the country in the mumbling man's stead, after all.
Arch Dornan
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She said she had a role before.
Harris says she had key role in Biden's Afghanistan withdrawal decision
The vice president confirmed she was the last person in the room before Biden made the decision to move forward with withdrawing U.S. troops.
www.politico.com
sir_fire
The ASEAN Nightmare
The cope is so thick in this post that I think I'm getting a contact high from all that copium.
China absolutely wants to conquer the world and destroy the US. They've been engineering all global crisis since the 1990's at least, behind the scenes.
But everyone will roll their eyes and deny it like good Gweilo and obedient bizou.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Wanting to do something and being able to pull it off are two very different things.
China is already older then the united states and is beyond the point of being able to fix their demographics. Their water crisis is being exaserbated by the fact that they polutted the ever loving shit out of their water supplies in their effort to maximize growth speaking of that their the most over leveraged country in human history right now.
On top of that they have essentally pissed off every one in their entire reigion in an effort to provoke a nationalist back lash to keep the CCP in power.
Don't get me wrong the chinese have kicked the absoloute shit out of us in the espionage game but dispite what they present they are at least just as retarded as we are.
AnimalNoodles
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Neither of which was any military or economic threat to any country in Europe of the Americas.
In South Vietnam there was no shortage of people understanding the need to keep communists out of power.
In Afghanistan there was a shortage of people willing to fight for the local corruptocrats and against Taliban (the former poaching a lot of the salaries and supplies had something to do with that too), and a supply of people used to randomly occasional governance by the Taliban.
Out of all places to pull out of, Afghanistan is completely justifiable. It's strategically unwinnable. US relies on Pakistan's favor for its supply lines to there to work, yet Pakistan has its own designs, influences and alliances related to Afghanistan that are in conflict with US ones, and also a lot of influence on the Taliban (consider what happened in the 90's, and even now), and where OBL turned out to be sheltered in the end. The next time there are problems with Afghanistan, the correct course of action is going to be not to go and "stabilize" Afghanistan, but to convincingly threaten utter ruination upon Pakistan, and if scared enough they will solve whatever issue there was, because they have a considerable decisionmaking power over what goes on in Afghanistan. But as long as USA is reliant on Pakistan's favor to supply its troops, it has to play nice with Pakistan, making any solutions to that conflict of interest impossible.