The War in Afghanistan

[Arch Dornan]

Nancy Pelosi naively says Taliban 'must include women at the table,' praises Biden for his 'wisdom'

Nancy Pelosi is extremely naive about the Afghanistan situation. Besides praising Biden, she's optimistic the Taliban will treat women will.

www.bizpacreview.com

Idiot.

 

[LindyAF]

 

[Husky_Khan]

Pentagon issued a more clear statement.

Though as stated in the link I posted a few posts ago, even SIV Afghans are being suspended from flights for the time being as Americans and Third Country Nationals are apparently being given priority due to orders from the Biden Administration.

 

[LindyAF]

Invade the world, invite the world, the neocon-neoliberal playbook.

 

[Arlos]

« 20 short years »
The nerve on some people.

 

[Husky_Khan]

God willing. Fuck off, we're full, and the if the corruption levels of those that "sided" with the global empire says anything about the human capital of them..

As my post stated, the United States suspended commercial flights. The only commercial service that was operating at the time flights to Pakistan (there were to other countries but those were suspended in the past few days). Obviously there were no commercial flights from Kabul, Afghanistan to the United States. Derp Derp.

 

[LindyAF]

As my post stated, the United States suspended commercial flights. The only commercial service that was operating at the time flights to Pakistan. (there were to other countries but those were suspended in the past few days) Obviously there were no commercial flights from Kabul, Afghanistan to the United States.

I don't really care about where they go first, just where they end up. And per your other source "Afghans who have cleared security screening will continue to be transferred directly to the United States."

 

[Arch Dornan]

 

[Husky_Khan]

I don't really care about where they go first, just where they end up. And per your other source "Afghans who have cleared security screening will continue to be transferred directly to the United States."

Yeah that's great that you don't care. You cared enough to quote me so I explained in greater detail why your statement was off base.

Guessing its fake news. It's been over an hour with no other confirmation? Warning shots were fired, but no the US troops haven't been gunning down random Afghans yet I'm reckoning.

 

[LindyAF]

Yeah that's great that you don't care. You cared enough to quote me so I explained in greater detail why your statement was off base.

You said "commercial flights out have been suspended" and I said "that's great." I'm not sure what you think I misunderstood?

 

[Husky_Khan]

You said "commercial flights out have been suspended" and I said "that's great." I'm not sure what you think I misunderstood?

Are you intentionally dense or just assume everyone is just as derpy as you are?

Can someone keyword search where LindyAF said "That's Great" in response to my post Commercial Flights were suspended? Anyone?

You can't even remember what you said a few minutes ago. "God willing, fuck off, we're full" is not synonomous with "That's great."

In your reply you seemed to be under the assumption that all of the Afghans were flying directly to the United States. I corrected you. That's all that happened. If you didn't misunderstand then that is clearly a communication issue with you.

 

[LindyAF]

Are you intentionally dense or just assume everyone is just as derpy as you are?

Can someone keyword search where LindyAF said "That's Great" in response to my post Commercial Flights were suspended? Anyone?

You can't even remember what you said a few minutes ago. "God willing, fuck off, we're full" is not synonomous with "That's great."

In your reply you seemed to be under the assumption that all of the Afghans were flying directly to the United States. I corrected you. That's all that happened. If you didn't misunderstand then that is clearly a communication issue with you.

I don't know why you're pitching a fit that I paraphrased something? The meaning here of "that's great" and "god willing" is pretty much the same.

I wasn't under the impression that all Afghans were flying directly to the United States. I was and still am under the impression that evacuation efforts including both those by the US not using commercial flights or by Afghanistan people of their own accord on commercial flights, will result in people in Afghanistan, including paper US citizens, eventually ending up in the United States, and that as such any disruption of these efforts (including those signaled by suspension of commercial flights) is probably advantageous to my people.

I don't know why you've got something stuck in your craw right now. Big mad that the GAE is such a fuckup?

 

[Husky_Khan]

I wasn't under the impression that all Afghans were flying directly to the United States. I was and still am under the impression that evacuation efforts including both those by the US not using commercial flights or by Afghanistan people of their own accord on commercial flights, will result in people in Afghanistan, including paper US citizens, eventually ending up in the United States, and that as such any disruption of these efforts (including those signaled by suspension of commercial flights) is probably advantageous to my people.

Actually it's the fact that you were unable to effectively communicate that you weren't under that impression across multiple posts that led to to having to explain it multiple times that the commercial flights were to Pakistan, not anywhere close to America. Like my past several posts were pointing out they weren't all flying to America but you didn't seem to quite get it and kept implying that it wasn't (or that there was a tiny chance some might leak through if any of them escaped the country to pollute "Your people."

I understand that your busy stroking your "My People" boner right now by making the hare brained statement that suspending all commercial flights would limit any breakthrough cases to America, but while true, applying that logic to Kabul alone is flawed because that fallacious reasoning could be used for all commercial flights anywhere. Obviously if all commercial flights were suspended, less people would pollute "your people" but considering the scales involved in the micro case of Kabul in regards to commercial flights to Pakistan being suspended and the macro statement which would have any tangible effect upon sullying "your people" your 'point' just sounds like another exercise in public masturbation.

Which is fine... milk that "Your People" boner for all its worth. This is a forum after all, I engage in such self gratification all the time... as you can see.

I don't know why you've got something stuck in your craw right now. Big mad that the GAE is such a fuckup?

Oh yeah... clearly. You got me...

So I just found this out. Apparently the United States was still in Afghanistan. I had no idea because no Americans had died there for over a year in combat so the media basically ignored it because of such. Plus the media had to focus on more important foreign policy issues during the Trump Administration like Guam and stuff.

But anyways, it looks like the Afghanistan pullout is going pretty well.

It appears as part of the peace deal, the United States and Afghan government decided to donate the Taliban large numbers of vehicles and dozens of Scan Eagle drones to assist them in rebuilding their country.



The Taliban conquest of Afghanistan is going so well that domestic plane service is already returning to parts of the country!



And most telling of all, despite the Taliban assurances that all foreign diplomatic personnel will be protected and unharmed by the new regime, Biden is apparently sending three thousand Marines to protect the evacuation of the US Embassy in Kabul. KEEP IN MIND the troop levels for the past nine months in Afghanistan was 2500 troops. So the plan was to withdraw all the troops, then send in even more... to oversee the withdrawal.

Taliban close to capturing US Embassy; 3,000 troops deploying to evacuate it

On Thursday, Pentagon spokesman John Kirby confirmed two U.S. Marine Corps infantry battalions and one U.S. Army infantry battalion— a force of about

americanmilitarynews.com

Oh man... if only there was an airbase the US Forces could've operated out of there. But I don't think they have any in country. Sad. Who could've seen it coming. 🤷‍♀️

It's five thousand now! Biden issued a statement.

And it's over folks. The President of Afghanistan will allegedly abdicate shortly, bringing in an interim Talibsn government to oversee the likely cease fire.

Farewell President Ghani...

Ghani? I hardly knew ye...

Afghan president could abdicate after Taliban enter Kabul: Sources

Afghanistan’s president could abdicate in the next few hours after the Taliban entered capital Kabul on Sunday, according to Al Arabiya sources.For the

english.alarabiya.net

Oh and as of a few hours ago the US Intelligence agencies stated Kabul could fall in 72 hours when just four days ago they said itd be 90 days.

I guess now they'll have to revise those estimates to zero hours.





Thankfully it seems the Taliban have announced they aren't going to attempt to storm Kabul. Why evoke a US retaliation when you've already basically won and the US said they're bailing already?

No they're trying to get free vaccines. Hopefully the CDC mandated everyone that wants a flight out of Afghanistan requires a proof of vaccination. So they're getting their first or second jab most likely, or a third booster. Regardless its a two week minimum wait on the tarmac before they get a C-17 flight out of the country. Last thing we need in Central Asia is a super spreader event and the needless loss of life.

What year was he released? Was it under Obama? We can negotiate something...

I hate to be that person but shouldn't we be seeing more social distancing and masking? The absolute casual disregard for the health of other people. Do they not realize the pandemic is still going on?

Oh yeah I'm super mad over what's happening in Afghanistan right now. The only "craw" I have is inaccurate derpy takes in my replies. Like seriously. What are you even trying here with that last comment? Your literally a lolcow at this moment and lolcows like you exist to be milked because your posts are predictable, dry and kinda sad and pathetic. Even worse, I think a great many of the posts your making are discrediting "your people" I feel.

And that Afghan girl won't be able to open a TikTok tweet? That was pretty passe at best. Here's a much more nuanced tweet that I think "your people" would find quite cutting and amusing and effective then bashing on random Afghan (future) sex slaves.



See? Now that's a witty tweet.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Anyways as LindyAF starts talking about how much he loves "His people" here's the responses of some other people to the Talibans recent successes in taking over all of Afghanistan with the exception of the Airport it seems.

First we have the Iranians...



Yeah, looks like those chilly times between the Iranians and Taliban are long gone. In fact apparently the Iranian-backed "Lion of Herat" Ismail Khan initially resisted the Taliban back in July but eventually surrendered Herat and then supposedly joined the Taliban though he may still be under some form of 'house arrest' or confinement.

Second we have the Pope urging dialogue...

Pope urges dialogue in Afghanistan so people can live in peace, security

Pope Francis called on Sunday for dialogue to end the conflict in Afghanistan so that its people can live in peace, security and reciprocal respect.

www.reuters.com

And finally... the Pakistanis are apparently whining that they have been left with the Afghan Taliban now... even though they've basically been sponsoring them for the past several decades.



Yes... very unfair to Pakistan I'm sure.

 

[Zachowon]

The evacuation at Kabul seems to be going well.

Mayhem At Kabul Airport Causing American Troops To Fire Warning Shots To Push Back Crowds (Updated)

Large groups of Afghan civilians have flooded onto the flightline at Hamid Karzai International Airport as they flee the Taliban's final advance.

www.thedrive.com

The US Ambassador already bailed and the United States ceased all commercial flights out of the city, allowing only military aircraft in and out the airport and thus, even Afghans with valid visas or booked flights are now stuck at the airport. The United States is planning on ramping up air transport ability to five thousand a day, though that may take some time. They seem to be focusing on embassy personnel obviously, as well as Afghans eligible for SIV or Special Immigration Visas and Third Country Nationals.

Also apparently the US and Taliban have still been in talks regarding the evacuation so while the Taliban are in Kabul, they haven't struck at the Embassy or Airport yet.

US Marines, the 82nd Airborne, a composite Minnesota National Guard unit as well as apparently British and Canadian troops among others are currently assisting with the evacuation.

I know a contingent of 89th MP units and 1st Med were sent as well

Why should we want an army for the Afghanistan warlords with bacha bazi? I mean, I see why the GAE did and has only now decided it isn't worth it, but why should the American nation have ever wanted one?

@Zachowon All that aside, one thing I think could have been done if our elites were competent is teaching more of the actual US military Dari or Pashto. From what I've read the numbers taught in an official capacity were incredibly low, and the lack of actual US servicemembers who could speak the language contributed to the puppet Afganistan government being basically entirely corruption. IIRC the richest man in Afganistan RN started off as a translator - he'd translate to a local vendor that the United States wanted to purchase X to someone selling it, they'd say in Dari that it would cost a few hundred dollars, he'd translate that it would cost 20 grand, and pocket the difference.

That said, this wouldn't have fixed the problem, because the fundamental problem was that the goal was impossible. What the military should have done is declare mission accomplished in 2009 when Al Qaeda ceased to have a real presence in Afghanistan, or in 2011 when they killed Bil Laden, and left then.

Edit: Great thread from 2019 on the corruption in Afghanistan, as well as the incompetence and ideological insanity that drove US policy at the highest levels, and doubtless continues to do so on many other issues, including foreign ones.

Really not that bad of a take.

 

[killerofa23]

Whelp Afghanistan is a shit show but honestly, I shouldn't have gotten my hopes up.

 

[Husky_Khan]

The Russians apparently made a statement on the situation as well. Obviously the Russians don't want the Taliban to destabilize the other Central Asian Republics and while they are waiting on whether to recognize the new Taliban government, they have apparently stated they are willing to work with the Taliban, depending on their behavior.

Russia will not hurry to recognize Taliban regime in Afghanistan — special envoy

However, the diplomat said he hoped for establishing friendly relations between Moscow and Afghanistan’s new leadership

tass.com

 

[prinCZess]

Whelp Afghanistan is a shit show but honestly, I shouldn't have gotten my hopes up.

I mean...If the American political class (this including the upper-echelon military) were competent or actually motivated to create anything resembling a stable state, then it's absolutely proper to have gotten hopes up. Though it may have cost compromises of principle when applied to a foreign culture radically divergent from westernized liberalism.

20 years is a generation. Plenty enough time to build a client-state structure from the ground-up self-interested enough in its own preservation to at least ape the right PR-pablum to keep aid dollars flowing as it represses its own opponents and maybe catches their imperial master's enemies sometimes in those purges ala Imperial Iran...More than that would honestly be possible if any imperial will actually existed. But the US isn't interested in actual empire building of that sort (a positive, I'd say) but in its stead we just have this as-bad cluster of personal favor and clientdom that centers around people like Karzai or Ghani and the Afghan National Army that is perpetually propped-up and perpetually-dependent to such extent that it is incapable of standing on its own (and has its own mess of compromises of principle involved--bacha bazi as many have pointed out).

Hell, we did a better job of localizing this shit and building will to exist in South Vietnam. Which is such a mind-boggling comparison in light of that country's own internal failures it's painful.

 

[PsihoKekec]

US Marines, the 82nd Airborne, a composite Minnesota National Guard unit

It's interesting that with their worldwide commitments at lowest in decades, USA can't scrape together enough active duty troops to fill 5000 men task force and has to rely on NG to fill up the ranks.

 

[Culsu]

Nice rant. Not agreeing with everything that's been said, but nice rant nonetheless.