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Apperently to people he is because he said learning about Marxism is needed to know the enemy, and wrote a paper about revolutions and terror groups and thesis on them and effectivness

Uh oh... my twenty five page essay for my humbler Bachelors Degree was on the February Revolution and the Kerensky Provisional Government. There was a bit of a focus on an attempted right wing coup that Summer and how that might've contributed to the success of the November Revolution that followed. :sneaky: :devilish:
 
Uh oh... my twenty five page essay for my humbler Bachelors Degree was on the February Revolution and the Kerensky Provisional Government. There was a bit of a focus on an attempted right wing coup that Summer and how that might've contributed to the success of the November Revolution that followed. :sneaky: :devilish:
People brought it up. Idk jokingly or not
 
How about you learn s thing or two about how the mimitary works on the inside before commenting on it from an outsiders point of view.

All officers in the military if they stay in long enough face political scrutiny. He is playing smart by giving lip service where needed.
I learned all that officer shit, actually. Granted, it was the Air Force, but I did go through it. So, yes, I feel very secure in commenting on it, because I've experienced that pep talk shit from both sides of it. This man is neither being terribly smart by alienating the Trump supporters within the ranks, nor is he just paying lip service. You said yourself that context matters, and have been going on and on about that, yet when confronted with the actual context, now it's just about how you seem to think he was lying. You've seen evidence going a long way back that this man is probably a commie, he's called people like you a Nazi, and yet you keep making excuses for him. I'm frankly bewildered at this display of cognitive dissonance. But you have displayed this many times before whenever anyone questions the military, law enforcement, and the intelligence agencies.

You obviously don't know how the military works at all, and that there are a LARGE amount of officers who are prior enlisted.
In my experience, prior-enlisted were a minority. My detachment had three squadrons and there were maybe a dozen prior-enlisted. The majority of people commissioning through ROTC are just civilians going through the program as part of their college program, usually on scholarship. This is why the academy types looked down on us, but most of those people were also not prior-enlisted. There is a program in OTS specifically for prior-enlisted people, but my impression was that far fewer people went through that program than officers commissioned through ROTC and the Academy.

General Milley is a Communist?
Looks to me like he is.
 
I learned all that officer shit, actually. Granted, it was the Air Force, but I did go through it. So, yes, I feel very secure in commenting on it, because I've experienced that pep talk shit from both sides of it. This man is neither being terribly smart by alienating the Trump supporters within the ranks, nor is he just paying lip service. You said yourself that context matters, and have been going on and on about that, yet when confronted with the actual context, now it's just about how you seem to think he was lying. You've seen evidence going a long way back that this man is probably a commie, he's called people like you a Nazi, and yet you keep making excuses for him. I'm frankly bewildered at this display of cognitive dissonance. But you have displayed this many times before whenever anyone questions the military, law enforcement, and the intelligence agencies.


In my experience, prior-enlisted were a minority. My detachment had three squadrons and there were maybe a dozen prior-enlisted. The majority of people commissioning through ROTC are just civilians going through the program as part of their college program, usually on scholarship. This is why the academy types looked down on us, but most of those people were also not prior-enlisted. There is a program in OTS specifically for prior-enlisted people, but my impression was that far fewer people went through that program than officers commissioned through ROTC and the Academy.


Looks to me like he is.
You were in the Air Force. One of the branches with a huge disparity in enlisted to officers.
In the Army ir is not like that. I work with a lot if prior enlisted officers. Out of...6 only 1 started as an officer.

You also went through ROTC. A diffrent beast then the actual military. @Panzerkraken knows forst hand about that.
Do you know what they tell ROTC officers when they get to thier first duty station in the Army? You are not the boss. You do not try and boss around Staff Sergeants that have been in longer. Nor do you boss around any higher NCOs. You are the equivalent of a Private on the officer world. You serve the higher officers often as XOs or aides.
The whole thing about being an officer if you have to know people. It is basic politics once you reach Major.
 
Do you know what they tell ROTC officers when they get to thier first duty station in the Army? You are not the boss. You do not try and boss around Staff Sergeants that have been in longer. Nor do you boss around any higher NCOs. You are the equivalent of a Private on the officer world. You serve the higher officers often as XOs or aides.
Yeah, they told us that, too. Like I said, I went through it. I also learned about the other sources of officers within the Air Force, which is why I know about the Academy and OTS and what their programs are like. I also know that ROTC is where most of the officers in the Air Force come from. I am not nearly as ignorant as you apparently think I am.
 
So again, you would rather him say no, get fired and replaced with someone who will actually go with what he is saying?

Except they wont be.
You obviously don't know how the military works at all, and that there are a LARGE amount of officers who are prior enlisted. Those are the one that keep things good. Hell, plenty of enlisted go Officer for the chance to make changes.

Yes, but the "DIE" mandates will screen out anyone who isnt down with the program.
 
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Yeah, they told us that, too. Like I said, I went through it. I also learned about the other sources of officers within the Air Force, which is why I know about the Academy and OTS and what their programs are like. I also know that ROTC is where most of the officers in the Air Force come from. I am not nearly as ignorant as you apparently think I am.
Okay, do you know what it is like for officers once they get OUT of ROTC/Academy/OTS? For the Army, OCS and ROTC are what the most common officers are. West Point is where usually those with a lot of EGO come form.

How much do you know of Active duty officer life for Army/Air force? How one has to be able to get promoted and the jobs they need?
Yes, but the "DIE" mandates will screen out anyone who isnt down with the program.
DIE?
Yeah, you know nothig.
 
Okay, do you know what it is like for officers once they get OUT of ROTC/Academy/OTS? For the Army, OCS and ROTC are what the most common officers are. West Point is where usually those with a lot of EGO come form.

How much do you know of Active duty officer life for Army/Air force? How one has to be able to get promoted and the jobs they need?
Some. I learned a fair bit about that process and all about "damning with faint praise."
 
Okay, do you know what it is like for officers once they get OUT of ROTC/Academy/OTS? For the Army, OCS and ROTC are what the most common officers are. West Point is where usually those with a lot of EGO come form.

How much do you know of Active duty officer life for Army/Air force? How one has to be able to get promoted and the jobs they need?

DIE?
Yeah, you know nothig.

Everything will be filtered through the Diversity Inclusion and Equity political officers,.
 
Everything will be filtered through the Diversity Inclusion and Equity political officers,.
Except they will never have enough and if war breaks out you cant be picky.
Some. I learned a fair bit about that process and all about "damning with faint praise."
Okay, learning and experiencing are two separate things. I work wth at least 4 separate officers who all have explained, and thanks to them I have experienced the headache that is playing politics to get through with keeping ones job.

Btw, sorry if I am jumping down your throat.
 
I didn't exactly lose contact with all of my classmates either, you know. One of them got his career destroyed over an unproven accusation of sexual assault (in fact there was evidence against anything happening), and none of that shit they told us would be there for us did anything for him.
 
I didn't exactly lose contact with all of my classmates either, you know. One of them got his career destroyed over an unproven accusation of sexual assault (in fact there was evidence against anything happening), and none of that shit they told us would be there for us did anything for him.
From my experience on an AF base. That whole branch is fuckrd up with things. The Army has had a lot of changes because of incidents these past two years
 
The people who are there for ideological reasons will never stop caring because it is literally all they care about.
You do though. Because you can't do your nitpicking if a draft is put in place. Or you will get sent to front lines to die for the country.

And Recetuiers often don't volunteer.
 
Regarding the Officer Corps accession process, I was able to find this data from 1999 (pre-911/OEF/OIF) that indicates Capt. X is about right, but the paper doesn't address green-to-gold (or blue to gold, I'll duplicate AF terms through this for broad understanding), or prior service personnel who attend a school after their ETS and return as an officer through the ROTC program, essentially going where the money is for the long haul (keep in mind that sweet, sweet O-E pay). I couldn't find anything with a few minutes of checking on that. I'm sure it's around somewhere.

As for the "DIE" thing, it looks to me just like every other special program of the week that would pop up, have some 2LT assigned to the additional duty, would involve some in-person training that becomes a tiresome chore where everyone in the room knows all about it, and eventually falls into one of two categories: "Training Distractor" or "The Boss's Focus" which will decide if it gets more attention or not. In the case of the former it probably becomes an annual training requirement or an online training your 1SG bugs the unit to finish so he can stop hearing about it from the CSM/SEA.

From the Army training standpoint, the focus was, is, and will VERY likely remain that the focus of the Army is warfighting and training for such; while they'll be willing to work with the current trends of the civil administration and the population at large, anything that distracts or interferes with that training will be met with the absolute minimum effort, slow rolled implementation, and "We'll commission a Rand Study to look at the way ahead on that.." responses until the administration changes.

As an example, right around 2013 we had to deal with PERSTEMPO changes (specifically dealing with Deployment-to-Dwell ratios, especially for SOF), which had complete buy-in from the JCS. Without a ton of alphabet-ridden detail, we found ourselves with a Battalion-level (Squadron) civilian overseer to manage our deployment-to-dwell ratio. In theory, this sounds like the JCS inserted someone who had the power to say "No, that person right there can't deploy." Needless to say, this riled the assorted levels of the chain of command a bit. In practice, this civilian was pretty useless and within a year the focus shifted and that person was gone. The D2D policy remained, and we handled it internally.

Broadly speaking, the responsibility for maintaining a non-exclusionary environment in the unit (at whatever level) will fall on the commander of that unit, and the expectation to address issues will be there as well. There absolutely will not be some kind of "shadow chain of command," because doing so would interfere with the existing CoC's function, and reduce the effectiveness of the unit. While there may be some additional reporting channels generated, those will continue to circle back around to the chain of command. They did the same thing with the revised Sexual Harassment/Assault Response and Prevention when they implemented the new policies for that about 10 years ago. None of those alternate reporting methods do anything except provide a means for Soldiers to bypass the chain of command for reporting purposes only, the shit still has to roll back down the chain of command, and Soldiers have been doing Congressionals probably since before the Civil War.
 
There absolutely will not be some kind of "shadow chain of command," because doing so would interfere with the existing CoC's function, and reduce the effectiveness of the unit.
What makes you think that they'd care about that? Remember, we're talking about an ideology that cares a lot more about being ideologically pure than in merit of any kind. Communism has a history of that. Alternatively, this kind of reduction in effectiveness could well be the goal itself.
 

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