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So technically both of you are right, and honestly I'm not sure it's a guarantee until he's actually out the door.
darthone position is the same as you. he agrees with you that "I am not sure it's a gurantee until he's actually out the door".

bacle's position is to strawman that into "nuh uh trudeau did not say he is quitting" (something only bacle himself said, in a false attribution to those he deems enemy) and try to "score" a cheap "victory" of showing how trudeau really said it.

And to justify his strawman not with a "I misread" but with a "damn right he is my enemy. and deserves me strawmanning him"
 
Turns out that entering the prelude to WW3, and watching who says and believes what in regards to said prelude, is a good way to sift who is an enemy/contrarian fool/control opposition and who is a friend/neutral.

DarthOne never learns, never admits when he is wrong, casts cynical aspersions and doomposting on nearly anything positive, believes sources from enemy nations.

His whole fucking reason for getting that months long temp ban was openly calling for lynching of US public officials, which could have fucked this site and everyone here if Trump hadn't won.

If he had ever learned a lesson or done some meaningful self-reflection on why he was banned, why people were not defending him from said ban or from the numerous other times he got whacked for trying to play on the red lines, and why people who used to once find him funny or tolerable now see him a cynical grifter-obsessed fool and frankly the only reason I don't think he's a Fed plant trying to fuck the entire site over is because I have known him long enough to see this is his genuine beliefs.


He absolutely was, with his "I'll believe it when I see it bit.", while ignoring there is fucking literal video of Trudeau announcing his resignation in the Sky News link.

And Sky News is a mostly conservative friendly outlet from Aussieland, so not like it's part of the same US mainstream media that lies routinely about conservatives.



You mock me as being 'biased' when I was supporting the info coming out of Ukraine. And just a few posts later you called planefag an asshole for his write-ups about the situation in Ukraine, which I had endorsed and supported him posting, so were calling me an asshole by proxy.


Here you implied I was a 'useful idiot' without principles for supporting Ukraine, because Biden/the Dems were also appearing to support Ukraine.


Here you decided to insult me by saying I didn't give a crap about Ukraine if I didn't share your priorities about effective aid versus accountability, where aid for Ukraine was supposed to hinge on 'accountability', not combat effectiveness.


Here you insult me and put words in my mouth for daring to call out how much of Russian shill and controlled opposition Tucker Carlson is.


Here you called me a 'jackass with a persecution complex' for daring to call out how stupid many of the arguments against Ukraine are, and for trying to educate people about the situation in Ukraine, instead of 'agreeing to disagree' when those people were just wrong about things regarding Ukraine.


Here you insulted me for celebrating Lira's death, when that cunt had been trying to sell photo's of Ukrainian air defense sites to Russia, making him a legit intel asset (or attempted asset) of Russia's actively trying to harm Ukraine's survival.


Here you insulted me as an 'ideologically blinded partisan when it comes to Russia.', because I didn't support Tucker's stunt in Moscow or exempting Tucker from sanctions if he violated them with his 'shopping trip' in Moscow.


Here you called me, and others, 'jerks' for how we support Ukraine vigorously (instead of in a 'agree to disagree' mode like you prefer) and daring to mention it outside containment threads.
I could argue the validity of each incident, say that you deserved it because of this or that reason, or that you misinterpreted what I said here or there; but honestly? I don't really want to be that person right now. I apologize; and unreservedly accept that I was the one at fault in every single instance you cited. Now, if you'll excuse me; I think I'm going to walk away from this forum for a while. I don't know when I'll be back, but I think I need to take a step back from politics for my mental health.
 
I could argue the validity of each incident, say that you deserved it because of this or that reason, or that you misinterpreted what I said here or there; but honestly? I don't really want to be that person right now. I apologize; and unreservedly accept that I was the one at fault in every single instance you cited. Now, if you'll excuse me; I think I'm going to walk away from this forum for a while. I don't know when I'll be back, but I think I need to take a step back from politics for my mental health.
There there. I hope you recover soon from the mental strain of dealing with bacle.
For what is worth, I don't think you were at fault anywhere there.
Bacle is a frothing at the mouth lunatic that is openly in favor of genociding all russian children.

He won't even backtrack on it. Not fully. Just making an allowance for sparing the lives of russian born children IF and only IF they are:
1. go back to russia
2. "sufficiently proactive" in their opposition to putin.
 
There there. I hope you recover soon from the mental strain of dealing with bacle.
For what is worth, I don't think you were at fault anywhere there.
Bacle is a frothing at the mouth lunatic that is openly in favor of genociding all russian children.

He won't even backtrack on it. Not fully. Just making an allowance for sparing the lives of russian born children IF and only IF they are:
1. go back to russia
2. "sufficiently proactive" in their opposition to putin.
Guess what, the lie of 'we can make peace with an enemy population, and give them time to rebuild, rearm, and retrain, and it won't bite us in the ass generations later' is one I do not have to humor.

I've learned the lessons of Sun Tsu, Chingus, Koblai, and Tamarlane, and how to properly deter and defeat enemies that abuse and manipulate the 'grey zone', our domestic media and social situations.

The times of 'defeat enemy military, leave enemy population base intact' strategies are going to revert back to older, more 'brutal' styles of warfare, and I am not going to pretend otherwise. The fewer Russian's there are to reproduce, the fewer mobik's Russia will have to throw into it's next imperial conquest attempt.

But in your view I guess we have to play by the liberal rules of warfare that have done so much good for the US since the mid Cold War, always kicking the can down the road and playing for a half-ass'd 'victory', instead of playing to win and win in the long term so we do not face the same threat again in the future.
 
And here we have an idiot who doesen't know anything about history especially how America has had enemies turn to allies, and allies turn to enemies. Tell me Mr "student of history" who read about Genghis and Timur. Did you know that Germany one of our greatest foes in two world wars in the early and mid 20th century later on became a useful ally? Or how the British who once oppressed us are now one of our best allies? Did you know that Russia was an ally for more than just ww2. Way back in the 1800's in the civil war the UK, and France were kinda hostile towards the USA and liked the idea of the CSA(if they got rid of slavery they might have wanted to jump in and help them.) but Russia actually was friendly with Lincoln.

Tell me do you know history and how things change through the decades let alone centuries, or are you just an ignorant fool who does not deserve the franchise?
 
There are no permanent alliances, only permanent interests, though this may be getting off topic.

Personally speaking, if there was a referendum on Canada joining the US and there were people who voted against it, they could be given a choice between leaving for different countries, sucking it up, or go for the six feet under easy way out.
 
I regard Trump's jabs about us being the 51st state as just that - unserious jabs which have no realistic possibility of happening and which, frankly, he and the American right probably don't actually want to happen. Annexing Ontario, Quebec, the Maritimes and BC's Lower Mainland will be tantamount to adding multiple Californias to the Union (not just these three as-is, but also assuming the possibility that the existing provinces will be divided into smaller states for integration). Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba (the latter of which is also pretty left-wing for a prairie province) would be unviable additions, and also look pretty bad on a map, without the coasts. The only meaningful strategic reason to do it would be to deny Canada's resources & waterways to Red China.

However, the fact that it's been said at all and the Canadian ruling elite's response really helps underscore the damage Trudeau has managed to inflict upon this country in the last 10 years. You now have the same politicians who were aggressively pooh-poohing the concept of a Canadian nation for the past decade, indeed Trudeau himself infamously called Canada a 'post-national' country (ie. a rootless economic zone with no meaningful history or culture of its own), doing a rapid volte-face and suddenly making patriotic appeals they would've themselves derided as chauvinistic, kitschy and problematic just a few weeks ago. Globalist bottom feeders like journo Andrew Coyne (who incidentally is also a distant relative of Trudeau's, his cousin was a mistress of Trudeau Sr. and they had a kid together) who for years had been shitting on Canadian nationalism and the concept of Canada as an actual nation with the 'best' of them, are now passionately Xitting for Canadians to stand up for their country against the Orange Man - even though this shameless motherfucker can't even be bothered to add the Maple Leaf to all those other foreign flags he's put in his username, to make the most token effort imaginable to show that he cares even a fraction as much for this country as the people he's hoping will answer his call to fight and die for it.

I do think this is forcing a re-examination of Canadian nationalism, albeit a day late and a dollar short so to speak. What actually is Canada? What lessons and figures from our history can we draw upon for strength and to differentiate ourselves from America, with whom it cannot be denied that we have much in common with culturally (perhaps so much that without our past legends & heroes, there would actually be no reason to keep going as a separate country)? Loyalty to the Crown, tarnished though it may be nowadays. The frontier spirit animating Canadians of the past, from the coureur des bois to the Anglo-Slavic ancestral settlers in the Prairies, as much as any American pioneer. Politicians like Sir John A. MacDonald who, despite their many personal vices, actually got shit done. Canadian soldiers who gained a reputation for being absolutely badass (even verging on the psychotic) on the battlefields of Europe in both World Wars. Hell, I'm not even an 'old stock' Anglo-Canadian myself and I can find that stuff inspiring.

Oh wait, all of that has been systematically demonized as problematic, colonialist, white-supremacist, imperialistic, evil for many years now. Their statues have been removed and streets named after them renamed, more often than not in favor of concepts that have nothing to do with or even actively oppose Canada's legacy (like how Yonge-Dundas Square in Toronto was almost renamed 'Sankofa Square', after some nonsense concept derived from a Ghanan tribe that engaged in slavery long after the British outlawed it, not even two full years ago).

Okay, so if we disregard the entirety of Canadian history prior to c. 1980 as problematic Original Sins to be ashamed of and buried beneath a deluge of (white) Canadian tears & endless reparations to the oppressors' victims, what are we left with for use as rallying symbols? Hockey, Tim Hortons and a 'politeness' which increasingly seems to just be a smug unfounded sense of superiority over the Americans mixed in with infuriating passive-aggressive behavior & self-righteousness? Yeah, that's some fantastic glue to hold a 'post-national' nation together alright. Really effectively papers over facts like...
  • Damn near nobody outside of the richest elite families can afford to buy a house;
  • The economy's in the shitter and will probably get even worse since Parliament's been prorogued and nobody is at the wheel while Trump is threatening 25% tariffs;
  • Crimes are going unpunished and even un-investigated as long as the perpetrators aren't white, meanwhile bills have been tabled/passed to criminalize attacking them or denying stuff like the residential school genocide hoax as hate crimes;
  • Chinese spying is a serious fucking problem in the government;
  • Corruption in general is a serious fucking problem with this government, to a far worse and more persistent degree than just about any past Canadian government including even Jean Chrétien's;
  • The alphabet lobby can & will sue you for failing to fly their flag (even if your town literally doesn't have a flagpole) and worship them sufficiently and then the state can take the money out of your bank account to pay them with;
  • Schools in general are tilting really hard into turning the next generations into anti-Canadian rainbow-painted woke zombies, the only thing that can even slow them down is the bizarre alliance of Christian conservatives and the same Muslims imported by the people woke teachers voted for;
  • MAID has already entered the top 5 leading causes of death in this country; and
  • 23% of the population was born outside Canada and immigration is projected to provide 100% of our population growth by 2032. We had a population of 35 million in 2015 when Trudeau was first elected, now it's at 41 million and year after the year, 90%+ of that population 'growth' has consistently been driven by immigrants, directly contributing to the housing crisis & un- and underemployment crises & our general economic malaise. Indians are the most infamous for it, but even Quebec is getting flooded with Haitians & Africans brought in simply because they're Francophones.
And so on, so forth. Gee, the tough talk of our politicians and media aside, why aren't people willing to die for this country? I can't possibly fathom a logical answer to that question!

The damage Trudeau has done in 10 years will take at least 100 to fix, if it even can be fixed at all. Poilievre sounds OK but has been very skittish & vague at best about tackling our core problems, like rampant mass migration into Canada and the grocery/dairy/telecom corporate cartels, and I doubt he could significantly arrest much less reverse this country's decline even if he earnestly tried and got elected 3 times for it. But ah well, at least Canada can serve as a wonderful object lesson as to the importance of nationalism - and how destroying your own country's sense of it, demoralizing your own citizenry, etc. for some asspats at Davos is in fact a terrible idea, and one-hundred-fold so when said former sense of nationalism was the main thing separating your country from its bigger southern neighbor with whom it shares the same language, similar customs and much history.

If one believes (as Coyne and Trudeau do) that Canada isn't a real country but rather just a colonial-imperial project built on stolen land and the bones of genocided First Nations, whose future is but to serve as a cultureless economic zone populated by rootless interchangeable cogs (and it deserves that, as its 'old stock' population deserves only endless torment and humiliation, for their past sins), then what actual counter-argument could you possibly offer up when the Orange Imperator offers your people a place in his glorious realm where his people set off fireworks, wave massive flags and shoot at hurricanes for their country? Absolutely fucking nothing, that's what. As a Canadian, to me the main benefit of a possible annexation of Canada into the US within my lifetime will be that it represents a hard kick (with steel-toed boots on) to the barely-existent balls of the soulless globalist-technocrat types who imagined their deranged social experiments represented the future. Realistically Trudeau will just get a cozy job at the UN now that he's done ruining Canada anyway, might as well make sure he seethes about it for the rest of his life.
 
I regard Trump's jabs about us being the 51st state as just that - unserious jabs which have no realistic possibility of happening and which, frankly, he and the American right probably don't actually want to happen. Annexing Ontario, Quebec, the Maritimes and BC's Lower Mainland will be tantamount to adding multiple Californias to the Union (not just these three as-is, but also assuming the possibility that the existing provinces will be divided into smaller states for integration). Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba (the latter of which is also pretty left-wing for a prairie province) would be unviable additions, and also look pretty bad on a map, without the coasts. The only meaningful strategic reason to do it would be to deny Canada's resources & waterways to Red China.
I want to do a trade. canada's conservatives in exchange for america's blue states.
 
Can we have all of British Columbia minus Vancouver too? I mean not everyone in that province seems to like their island overlords.
If you take a look at the electoral map of the recent provincial election that we have, then we could determine which areas of BC should we carve out. Unfortunately, I live on the wrong side of the divide.
You can't make a deal with yourself.

Counter-offer. You give California independence and then we exile the leftists from both countries there.
Good idea. What about the other states that voted for the cackling hyena in the recent election? The only problem with that kind of trade is that you'll need to find a good alternate place to set up your own 'Wall Street'.
 
If you take a look at the electoral map of the recent provincial election that we have, then we could determine which areas of BC should we carve out. Unfortunately, I live on the wrong side of the divide.

Good idea. What about the other states that voted for the cackling hyena in the recent election? The only problem with that kind of trade is that you'll need to find a good alternate place to set up your own 'Wall Street'.
Already happening in Texas.

 
If you take a look at the electoral map of the recent provincial election that we have, then we could determine which areas of BC should we carve out. Unfortunately, I live on the wrong side of the divide.

Good idea. What about the other states that voted for the cackling hyena in the recent election? The only problem with that kind of trade is that you'll need to find a good alternate place to set up your own 'Wall Street'.

You keep them, as they probably voted Kamala for understandable reasons. What is needed is nation building. I think the United States has lost its common values and a common understanding of values that it once had, and truly united both your left and right.

And my proposal would be to keep Canada and the USA separate, and then do Escape From LA in California. Though I am open to having a proper customs union, and perhaps some level of political integration. I am not opposed to closer ties with the USA, but I want Canada to remain Canada and to be able to return to our actual traditions.

Though in all seriousness, I do think that the USA like Canada needs to go back and find their shared values. So you can actually be united by what you share in common and hold to be true as opposed to fighting over differences in political ideals... And we also need a return to civic virtue so people won't put pursue their interests to the detriment of others, or outright seek the detriment of others to advance their own interests.
 
If the tariffs actually happen, would the newcomers to Canada voluntarily leave?
If one believes (as Coyne and Trudeau do) that Canada isn't a real country but rather just a colonial-imperial project built on stolen land and the bones of genocided First Nations, whose future is but to serve as a cultureless economic zone populated by rootless interchangeable cogs (and it deserves that, as its 'old stock' population deserves only endless torment and humiliation, for their past sins), then what actual counter-argument could you possibly offer up when the Orange Imperator offers your people a place in his glorious realm where his people set off fireworks, wave massive flags and shoot at hurricanes for their country? Absolutely fucking nothing, that's what. As a Canadian, to me the main benefit of a possible annexation of Canada into the US within my lifetime will be that it represents a hard kick (with steel-toed boots on) to the barely-existent balls of the soulless globalist-technocrat types who imagined their deranged social experiments represented the future. Realistically Trudeau will just get a cozy job at the UN now that he's done ruining Canada anyway, might as well make sure he seethes about it for the rest of his life.
Frankly if aliens from space invade offering vassalage, the same would happen too. The parties that be have delegitimized themselves.
 
If you take a look at the electoral map of the recent provincial election that we have, then we could determine which areas of BC should we carve out. Unfortunately, I live on the wrong side of the divide.
Alternatively, we could just not de-jure annex Canada and make them a Commonwealth like Puerto Rico.
 

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