bintananth
behind a desk
In other words: He didn't hire people who were absolutely going to say "NOPE, we ain't doing that" to his pet project.
The Titanic possibly claims five more victims as contact is lost with a submarine full of tourists
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In other words: He didn't hire people who were absolutely going to say "NOPE, we ain't doing that" to his pet project.
Buba
A total creep
Can he get raped by the aforementioned lawyers of rich widows?
Figuratively ... there could be children in the courtroom ... I mean, leaving him penniless ... BTW - would he get free legal support from the likes of such scum like ADL or BLM?
I assume that he or his company or both will be sued into oblivion.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
Even a cursory Google search into the company should have brought up some very worrying things though.
They said in the news about some bullshit form they had to sign that listed possible death 3 times on the first page. I don't care. There needs to be an overarching international law that prevents companies from weaseling out of causing death and injury. I saw the specs for the sub. I am shocked they were allowed to operate given how untested and unproven the sub really was.
On a related note. I wonder if the Sub had contact with a Giant Squid. It is known in the US Navy that Giant Squids sometime attack US Attack Subs. And that sub they were in is tiny compared to an attack sub.
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Bassoe
Well-known member
Not even the cephalopods want to get anywhere near that deathtrap.
Buba
A total creep
Attack? Maybe Moby Cthullu was engaging in a mating dance?
The CEO posted a public rant that outright derides the safety record of the commercial sub industry for being too good, saying that 35 years with no major accidents reflects a "catastrophically safe" mindset. He has also declared that "there should be a limit" to safety because "I can do this just as safely by breaking the rules."
Doomsought
Well-known member
It already might not stick, due to being found unconscionable.
I think it's reasonable for companies to have a disclaimer for people knowingly participating in a high risk activity, but that shouldn't extend to circumstances of gross negligence such as seen in this case.
Batrix2070
RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
That is, to summarize.
It's hard not to call this a cascade of human arrogance, hubris, greed and stupidity. I hope that no one will let this go.
- Building a submarine using inappropriate materials.
- Using engineers who say "Yes, Sir" to every "brilliant" idea.
- With ignoring all safety regulations and the experience of more than 100 years of humanity operating ships of this class because they stifle "innovation."
- Without testing whether the darn thing can work at all on a much less risky object, giving emergency services a chance to respond.
- And then there's pushing this bullshit on a few billionaires that it's possible to sail this safely, even though at the same time they made them sign that in case of death, they take no responsibility for it. Despite the fact that they themselves misled these people beforehand!
- And still demand a quarter of a million dollars per ticket for this trip.
It's hard not to call this a cascade of human arrogance, hubris, greed and stupidity. I hope that no one will let this go.
It should be noted that there are a lot of stupid projects like this currently under development by various companies. All of them need to be shutdown. If your sub can't meet Navy or other research level specs you are forbidden from using it commercially.
It's worth pointing out that carbon fiber isn't an inherently inappropriate material for a deep-sea diving craft; in theory and principle, carbon fiber composites can be stronger and more resilient than steel *and* are less vulnerable to both corrosion and fatigue. The main problem is that there's a pretty enormous body of both practical and theoretical knowledge on how steel hulls hold up to underwater compression pressure and how to best engineer it, and there isn't nearly the same amount of knowledge about carbon fiber hulls. That doesn't mean "don't make manned submersibles out of carbon fiber"; that means, "Manned submersibles with carbon fiber hulls should be carefully designed with generous safety margins."
But...well, these guys basically decided to YOLO things while outright sneering at safety concerns. And, well, the depths are the *least* forgiving aspect of the most extreme environment on Earth.
Bear Ribs
Well-known member
So, apparently, they're picking up banging noises that suggest the crew and passengers are still alive.
Search area for lost Titanic-bound submersible deepens, doubles in size as oxygen dwindles
The full scope of the search for the missing submersible Titan is twice the size of Connecticut and 2 1/2 miles deep.
www.boston.com
So, apparently, they're picking up banging noises that suggest the crew and passengers are still alive.
Search area for lost Titanic-bound submersible deepens, doubles in size as oxygen dwindles
The full scope of the search for the missing submersible Titan is twice the size of Connecticut and 2 1/2 miles deep.www.boston.com
I wouldn't put too much stock into that. They heard *lots* of noises when searching for Thresher back in the day, much hope was made of it, and it turned out that all the stuff they detected was just echoing from the various rescue assets; underwater sound gets really weird.
I hate to bring this up but a morbid part of my brain just though of the possibility of the 96 hour life support for five people being grossly inflated by lessening the number of breathers...So, apparently, they're picking up banging noises that suggest the crew and passengers are still alive.
Search area for lost Titanic-bound submersible deepens, doubles in size as oxygen dwindles
The full scope of the search for the missing submersible Titan is twice the size of Connecticut and 2 1/2 miles deep.www.boston.com
Bear Ribs
Well-known member
That might also help alleviate hunger...
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
Given that there's only a few hours of oxygen left, and the rescue teams are nowhere near finding them, it's safe to say they are dead.
And that's if the loss of communication wasn't down to those poor fools discovering "crush depth" is not just a fancy term.
And that's if the loss of communication wasn't down to those poor fools discovering "crush depth" is not just a fancy term.
