What If? The ROB puts some Villains to a test.

[Lord Sovereign]

Vader wouldn't do so well at puzzles (not to knock his intelligence at all) but he's probably the best battlefield tactician present, an absolute wrecking ball in combat, and his stormtroopers will be quite effective under his command (probably 501st troopers as well).

He's probably someone the more manipulative villains would look to get on side as quickly as possible.

 

[Crom's Black Blade]

Um...

..ok, dude.

You actually think that he would have managed to stay around as Palpatine's top henchman if he was just a slow-moving, easy to kill cyborg?

Whether we're talking OT





or Disney produced content





Vader is not exactly the most agile of fighters. His movements tend to be slow and deliberate and is absolutely a far cry from his acrobatic style as Anakin. This is taken from the movies and Kenobi series which are just as much if not more canon than a random game regardless if we're discussing Legends or Disney canon.

Hell, if I recall correctly in Legends Palpatine deliberately rebuilt Vader with substandard technology specifically to limit and impeded him simply to make him a better attack dog who could never challenge Palpatine. So this is an odd hill to die on to say the least.

Of course all of this is somewhat beside the point since I never claimed Vader was an easy to kill cyborg. I claimed Vader sans the Force would be far less of a threat in part because of his stiff movements. Even then I think he could handle a JP Raptor or with a little luck take down a T-800 so I hardly think he's helpless.

I happen to think Vader is one of the stronger fighters here. I just don't think he can solo the entire island let alone it and pick a fight with Lex and the others which is likely what he's going to try to do.

 

[Bear Ribs]

So,Megatron could just wait near Mountains till technology start working,stomp on survivors and take artifact.He could ignore local wildfire - it could do nothing to him.

Naw, if this was G1 or Prime Megatron, or any of of the stronger incarnations, that might work. Beast Wars Megatron is the weakest one* by a pretty wide margin, he was taken out by being hit by a rock once, and on another occasion by being farted on by a rhinoceros. He's also got the distinction of being betrayed by his own minions more than any other Megatron. Dude somehow managed to assemble a team that was, like, 80% Starscreams.

He's still not exactly soft but at least half the list can take him, both of competitors and monsters. He's also a fairly weak manipulator who relied on future knowledge for much of his success and isn't good at team building given his massive betrayal rate. I'd put him towards the bottom of the list next to Cobra Commander for probability of success here.

*Barring some obscure version from a one-off Japanese comic or something.

I'd guess the one with the best chance of going into the mountains ahead of time is Azula. Even with the dampening field shutting down her bending she's an extremely adept martial artist with well above peak-human performance. Assuming she can narrow the area down enough with only one or two clues she might theoretically head into the mountains when everybody else is still working on their third clues and search the old-fashioned way.

That said I don't think she'd actually do it that way, Azula's also a team player and would try to build an alliance. She's just too outclassed by the likes of Luthor or Xanatos to play that game with them.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Vader is not exactly the most agile of fighters. His movements tend to be slow and deliberate and is absolutely a far cry from his acrobatic style as Anakin. This is taken from the movies and Kenobi series which are just as much if not more canon than a random game regardless if we're discussing Legends or Disney canon.

Ironically the suit slowing him down made him stronger via compensating for his flaws. Aside from brute strength (as one of the ur examples of a mighty glacier) , he is the best swordsman in galactic history.

All the back flips and spinning in the world doesn't help when this guy can just turn around. As if to make things worse, Vader can take punishment like no other on this list.

 

[ATP]

It does not work that way. All the contestants are in mortal danger; Even Megatron. He is for instance not immune to the Brutes, T-800s, Cyclops or the Xenomorphs. And let's not forget the other Contestants that can kill him if he gets ideas.

Cyclops - what they could do to being made from super metal? Brutes - maybe.
And,if he did notching except waiting till other found clues/some of them die,others get weakened/ then he had good chance for winning doing notching almost to the end.

 

[Sailor.X]

Cyclops - what they could do to being made from super metal? Brutes - maybe.
And,if he did notching except waiting till other found clues/some of them die,others get weakened/ then he had good chance for winning doing notching almost to the end.

Ahem



LIke I said Megatron is vulnerable and not immune.

 

[Agent23]

Ahem



LIke I said Megatron is vulnerable and not immune.

I am pretty sure that some Xenomorph blood dripped onto one character and did not go through his skull.
The power of that acid varies with plot.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Maybe it's more effective on metals then flesh. Or the facehugger acid is more potent then the Newborn? and Xenomorph acid.

 

[Sailor.X]

I am pretty sure that some Xenomorph blood dripped onto one character and did not go through his skull.
The power of that acid varies with plot.

Maybe it's more effective on metals then flesh. Or the facehugger acid is more potent then the Newborn? and Xenomorph acid.

It is potent enough. And unfortunately for old Megs. The Xenomorphs can be very ruthless if they want him dead.

 

[Agent23]

It is potent enough. And unfortunately for old Megs. The Xenomorphs can be very ruthless if they want him dead.

Same movie had a decent sized amount spilling on some idiot without outright killing him or even going through none.Sure, the fat might neutralize it, but as I said, it runs on plot.

 

[Bear Ribs]

Oh, OK, guess you'd prefer Fallen Order, then:

Not seeing much in the way of agility from Vader there. At best he jumps down from a platform a few feet high, but he does that in ESB too,

Also, it's exceedingly weird and inconsistent that you who constantly calls everybody else's evidence a "oneshot" or "outlier" thinks a few moments of game footage should get to override the entirety of the movies.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Vader neggs if he's able to use his powers even Disney canon gives him enough feats that he'll just sense the right path to check. He's literally used precognition to pilot a capital ship through hyperspace to the destination he wanted while avoiding danger.

He gets it their in record time.

Not seeing much in the way of agility from Vader there. At best he jumps down from a platform a few feet high, but he does that in ESB too,

Also, it's exceedingly weird and inconsistent that you who constantly calls everybody else's evidence a "oneshot" or "outlier" thinks a few moments of game footage should get to override the entirety of the movies.

Tbf Vader has 25 minutes of screen time where as in the expanded content such as comics and shows it's a lot more.

 

[Sailor.X]

Vader neggs if he's able to use his powers even Disney canon gives him enough feats that he'll just sense the right path to check. He's literally used precognition to pilot a capital ship through hyperspace to the destination he wanted while avoiding danger.

He gets it their in record time.



Tbf Vader has 25 minutes of screen time where as in the expanded content such as comics and shows it's a lot more.

Sorry but the Force will not work in the damnening field. Vader will have to solve the clues or be with said people that are solving them to even get an Idea of the location of the Artifact.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Sorry but the Force will not work in the damnening field. Vader will have to solve the clues or be with said people that are solving them to even get an Idea of the location of the Artifact.

Hmmm then Doom wins because he has like 80 years worth of scheming feats.

 

[Agent23]

Not seeing much in the way of agility from Vader there. At best he jumps down from a platform a few feet high, but he does that in ESB too,

Also, it's exceedingly weird and inconsistent that you who constantly calls everybody else's evidence a "oneshot" or "outlier" thinks a few moments of game footage should get to override the entirety of the movies.

Here is a fully canonical example of Jedi and Sith agility.


Vader was the best Jedi hunter and the 2nd top dog in the galaxy.
Also he doesn't need to hop around a s do summersaults when he can just force crush and force choke people, he will be able to detect the Alien or the Predator then repeatedly smash them in the hardest surface nearby like rag dolls.

 

[Bear Ribs]

Here is a fully canonical example of Jedi and Sith agility.


Vader was the best Jedi hunter and the 2nd top dog in the galaxy.
Also he doesn't need to hop around a s do summersaults when he can just force crush and force choke people, he will be able to detect the Alien or the Predator then repeatedly smash them in the hardest surface nearby like rag dolls.

Ha ha, so are you okay with me presenting a vid of Spider-Man and claiming Doom can do the same thing? Show proof of Vader doing stuff, not dudes who aren't trapped in cumbersome life support suits and who are also stronger than Vader.

Seriously, we all know Vader tends to move at old-man speed, there's tons of examples out there. Quit playing these pedantic games.

 

[Agent23]

Ha ha, so are you okay with me presenting a vid of Spider-Man and claiming Doom can do the same thing? Show proof of Vader doing stuff, not dudes who aren't trapped in cumbersome life support suits and who are also stronger than Vader.

Seriously, we all know Vader tends to move at old-man speed, there's tons of examples out there. Quit playing these pedantic games.

One, you are comparing apples and oranges, the various capeshit media has different types of superheroes, while jedi and Sith have basically uniform abilities.

Telekinesis, precog, lightsaber stuff, occasionally force lightning and some other tricks.

Oh, and look, more Vader being a badass:





Heavily damaged, suffering trauma, manages to rip off metal restraints and trash the medical facility with his mind alone....




Oh, look, he is literally pulling down a ship with thrusters powerful enough to reach escape velocity, then tears it to bits like an angry football fan kicking a can or a kid tearing a rag doll.

 

[Bear Ribs]

One, you are comparing apples and oranges, the various capeshit media has different types of superheroes, while jedi and Sith have basically uniform abilities.

Telekinesis, precog, lightsaber stuff, occasionally force lightning and some other tricks.

So are you, claiming that the feats of a Grandmaster and Dark Lord are applicable to to a cripple in a life support suit who didn't make it past basic knight/apprentice.

Oh, and look, more Vader being a badass:

If anything that disproves your point, by the 2-minute mark Ahsoka's running rings around him, flipping over him, jumping and backflipping around his strikes, and otherwise showcasing how all the other Jedi can move compared with old-man-speed Vader.

 

[Agent23]

So are you, claiming that the feats of a Grandmaster and Dark Lord are applicable to to a cripple in a life support suit who didn't make it past basic knight/apprentice.


If anything that disproves your point, by the 2-minute mark Ahsoka's running rings around him, flipping over him, jumping and backflipping around his strikes, and otherwise showcasing how all the other Jedi can move compared with old-man-speed Vader.

She was always more agile than Anakin and a pretty capable jedi, and she is dual wielding, she also barely lands any blows and he counters her attacks easily with a single saber.






Vader is orders of magnitude more powerful than you are willing to admit, your cherry picking doesn't work.

 

[Bear Ribs]

She was always more agile than Anakin and a pretty capable jedi, and she is dual wielding, she also barely lands any blows and he counters her attacks easily with a single saber.

Man, do you ever stop the hypocritical self-contradiction? One post ago you were saying all Jedi and Sith have the same powerset so you can transfer agility feats from other Jedi and Sith to Vader, on your very next post you're trying to defend by saying Ahsoka's always more agile. Make up your mind.

Vader is orders of magnitude more powerful than you are willing to admit, your cherry picking doesn't work.

Hmm, so Vader's precog was easily fooled by a decoy ship. Good to know.

But yeah, I'm not the one cherry-picking here and I certainly haven't talked down his power. What everybody else has been pointing out to you is that Vader has a shitty walk speed compared to his competition so he's going to have a much harder time gathering clues and making the multi-kilometer trek to the mountains at the same kind of speed we can expect from his competition.

Also, editing your posts after I've already replied to them to make it look like I'm ignoring your points? Bad form.