History The Responsibility of Emperor Hirohito and Japanese Apologies/Reparations for Crimes Against Humanity

A few pages back, the subject of "Bushido" being a driving force in the scale of Japan's war crimes was brought up, although with the caveat that it was a deeply propagandised version of the feudal philosophy. So I must ask, what are the differences between the Bushido of the Sengoku era and that of the 1930s?
 
A few pages back, the subject of "Bushido" being a driving force in the scale of Japan's war crimes was brought up, although with the caveat that it was a deeply propagandised version of the feudal philosophy. So I must ask, what are the differences between the Bushido of the Sengoku era and that of the 1930s?

Bushido of the Sengoku era was a living philosophy guided by the pragmatic realities that Samurai lived in. What it was varied by Samurai to Samurai because it wasn't a unified philosophy back then. the Bushido of the 1930s is the idealization, and codification of Bushido that removed a lot of the nuance and imposed some thing that made sense during an age of warring states into the modern era, then they used it as a propaganda tool to get people to die for the empire.
 
Bushido of the Sengoku era was a living philosophy guided by the pragmatic realities that Samurai lived in. What it was varied by Samurai to Samurai because it wasn't a unified philosophy back then. the Bushido of the 1930s is the idealization, and codification of Bushido that removed a lot of the nuance and imposed some thing that made sense during an age of warring states into the modern era, then they used it as a propaganda tool to get people to die for the empire.

So essentially, Sengoku Bushido is a moral framework that isn't always applicable to a situation, whilst 1930s Bushido is near religious dogma?
 
Bushido of the Sengoku era was a living philosophy guided by the pragmatic realities that Samurai lived in. What it was varied by Samurai to Samurai because it wasn't a unified philosophy back then. the Bushido of the 1930s is the idealization, and codification of Bushido that removed a lot of the nuance and imposed some thing that made sense during an age of warring states into the modern era, then they used it as a propaganda tool to get people to die for the empire.

The issue is that with Japan being unified, the Samurai shifted from a warrior class to an aristocratic-administrative one. Now this was a good thing because it brought an end to the constant warfare, but it resulted in a lot of people raised with warrior ideals having no actual battles to fight. Also, Japanese religion and culture often idealised a mindless loyalty to one's sovereign from early on.
 
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The issue is that with Japan being unified, the Samurai shifted from a warrior class to an aristocratic-administrative one. Now this was a good thing because it brought an end to the constant warfare, but it resulted in a lot of people raised with warrior values having no actual battles to fight. Also, Japanese religion and culture often idealised a mindless loyalty to one's sovereign.

Thing is, even the lowest Ashigaru peasant soldier of the 16th century might well balk at what the Imperial Japanese Army got up to in China. And these guys would have engaged in brutal medieval warfare and sacked multiple cities. So goodness knows what a Samurai who genuinely embraced Bushido would think of Hideki Tojo and his antics. At the very least I think Miyamoto Musashi would have disapproved.
 
Thing is, even the lowest Ashigaru peasant soldier of the 16th century might well balk at what the Imperial Japanese Army got up to in China. And these guys would have engaged in brutal medieval warfare and sacked multiple cities. So goodness knows what a Samurai who genuinely embraced Bushido would think of Hideki Tojo and his antics. At the very least I think Miyamoto Musashi would have disapproved.


What we see in this passage is the notion that someone who does not worry about death also has a certain skill that follows from this. The man is certified in the sword by Maser Yagyû just because of this state of mind, not because of any actual instruction. There was also a samurai saying, that "he who leaves his house intending to live will die; and he who leaves his house intending to die, will live." There is a Taoist expectation in this that, by the "doing" of life, death will result, but by the "not-doing" of life (the "doing" of death), life will result. This was actually the frame of mind of many of the naval pilots who attacked Pearl Harbor. When they returned successfully to their aircraft carriers, many pilots were astonished that they had survived. All they had thought about was dying and had not considered surviving. That they both survived and succeeded in their mission could then be ascribed to the skill that their determination to die had given them. Not skill in the sword, to be sure, but skill in modern "martial arts" like torpedoing and divebombing -- the divebomber pilots who called themselves "Hell Divers" after an American movie starring Wallace Beery and Clark Gable (Hell Divers, 1932). Somewhat miraculous results from not-doing are already expected in the Tao Te Ching, which says, "Heaven and earth will unite and sweet dew will fall" [XXXII:72]. So the intention to die can easily to be thought not to be without its reward.

The Pearl Harbor attack and several months of subsequent actions were very successful, but eventually many Japanese soldiers, sailors, and airmen went off intending to die, and did, without even achieving military success thereby. Actually, this was no more than what was expected by the architect of the Pearl Harbor strike, Admiral Yamamoto Isoroku (1884-1943), who did not believe in suicidal attacks and had no illusions about Japan's ability to win a protracted war with the United States. He almost seemed to be expecting and welcoming death by the time he was shot down and killed in 1943. When it became clear that Japan was losing the war, however, the response of the Japanese military seemed to be that they were losing just because the men were not intending to die with enough spiritual purity. The introduction of the kamikaze () suicide pilots in 1944 would have gladdened the heart of the earlier Yamamoto, Tsunetomo, who, it seems, would have relished such senseless acts of pointlessly throwing away lives for the Emperor. Of course, the 20th century military was still rather hoping for some success from these tactics, and was perfectly willing to see 100,000 Japanese soldiers, and a similar number of civilians, die in the defense of Okinawa, long after the war was known to be lost, just to discourage the invasion of Japan. Discourage it they did; so President Truman dropped atomic bombs, killing another couple hundred thousand Japanese, and received the Japanese surrender on the same terms they could have gotten a year earlier.

The 20th century fruit of blind obedience and the love of death was thus ugly and sordid almost beyond comprehension. And this is not even to take into account Japanese atrocities against civilians and prisoners of war -- incidents like the horrific "Rape of Nanking" -- often motivated by racism and by contempt for those who ignominiously surrendered rather than "throwing away" their lives in senseless but virtuous death.

The brutality of the Japanese military, which was visited upon its own people as well as on prisoners and civilians, itself has antecedents in Zen. It has already been noted that the "silent teaching" may actually be expressed by beatings, and that the Zen meditation hall is a place where someone sitting zazen can be struck and beaten just to keep them awake. And we have the following story:


Gutei raised his finger whenever he was asked a question about Zen. A boy attendant began to imitate him in this way. When anyone asked the boy what his master had preached about, the boy would raise his finger.
Gutei heard about the boy's mischief. He seized him and cut off his finger. The boy cried and ran away. Gutei called and stopped him. When the boy turned his head to Gutei, Gutei raised up his own finger. In that instant the boy was enlightened. [Zen Flesh, Zen Bones, pp.169-170]

We may stipulate that enlightenment is well worth a finger, and that Gutei was a great enough Zen master to know that so bloody and permanent an expedient would be effective -- and it is a nice thought that the boy has "no finger" to raise up. But for ordinary fallible humans, this would be an appalling act of brutality and child abuse, and it can be expected to be little else if emulated in any way by subsequent teachers. Just as disturbing is the circumstance that, although the names in the story are in Japanese, it is actually a Chinese story, from Tao-yüan's collection. This makes for a very dangerous precedent once it gets into a tradition, the Japanese one, where positive reasons to value violence, for its art, arise.

Tl;dr; WW2 Japan's behaviour had deep roots in its culture and religion.
 
Japan seems to be a well-documented case study of inducing massive societal change on a relatively brief timescale.
 
I'm not a member of the subreddit so I can't see the post. Mind snipping it or pasting it to a pastebin?
As stated in the title, do you think admitting wrong doing with Slavery and Colonialism the source of its current issues such as the White Guilt and inability to do anything to defend itself less one get called bad names?

Here is my position.

Societies for a long time preached narratives about their history, their founders, etc. That from a liberal perspective are absolutely heinous but from the perspective of a local of said society and believes in it see's something to be proud of, to be filled with glory and need to live up to it.

The Left and the Liberal said that this is wrong and propaganda and we should care about truth and what did they do? Deconstruct and make you hate your own people or nations history. We thought that this was cause we need to realize the truth and do better but now we can see that they did this not cause we need the truth. No. It's a tool to destroy.

Let me post something for you.

From wikipedia:
Taner Akcam has written the following:[33]
In Turkish discourse, the following argument is commonly heard: "If we accept the Genocide, then the claim for reparations will soon follow." It shows that the main fear is not what we should call the event, but what comes after the event.
According to Fatma Müge Göçek, many Turkish journalists have viewed the issue of recognition as "an imposition on the Turkish state and society, one that would solely benefit the Armenians". In one editorial a Turkish journalist wrote "If you once acknowledge, then see what will happen next? From demands for restitution to land...".[34]
Turkey see's what has happened to the West. The endless crying about slavery and colonialism like it's a fucking original sin.

They never stop bringing up shit from centuries to thousands of years ago. Why? Cause they know that under the liberal paradigm that this stuff is bad you have to agree to what they say and shut up. It's justice after all. And you don't want to be like those terrible monster ancestors do you?

They use this to demoralize you or your kids. To make you hate your country and history.

They will even do propaganda but they of course don't call it that to push this.

or to put it another way

Denying the Armenian Genocide is done cause of the general trends of recognized atrocities never being forgiven as inherited blame making it so such recognition amounts to nothing but a perpetual bone-anchor
 
I think the white guilt that the Left pushes is meant to divide and conquer. Keep the population preoccupied with fighting itself so they can't unite against the Leftist agenda. The Left wants violence to happen because it helps justify their new laws. This is also one of the reasons why the Left pushes for immigration and a globalist economy: to break up ethnically homogenous nations, destabilizing them and making them vulnerable to the globalist agenda, who can then institute their authoritarian measures to calm the violence. Also, the Left pushes for this because they are narcistic and "fighting against evil" justifies themselves.

As for Japan, the Japanese government has already paid reparations ($300 million, is about $2.4 billion today) to Korea in the 1965 treaty. Korean politicians and globalists like to bury this inconvenient fact, because then they don't have ammunition to push their agendas. Korean politicians want a bully for them (the politicians) to stand up to so voters will rally behind them. Globalists are frustrated that Japan is ethnically homogenous, so it's resistant to foreign control.

Reparations shouldn't matter anymore anyway. WW2 was 80 years ago. Almost everybody involved is long dead. No one is morally culpable for anything that their grandfathers did. If you want to go down that rabbit hole, then that would be a pretty solid case of the pot calling the kettle black. Then again, these people are masters of the art of cognitive dissonance.

As for Hirohito, I'm not sure how culpable he was. By the 1930s, Japan was pretty firmly run by a cabal of war cultist officers who effectively held the Emperor under house arrest and routinely lied to him about what they were up to, what their enemies were doing, and the true state of affairs. Apparently, once somebody was able to reach him and tell him what was really happening, he was horrified and tried to call everything off immediately. I'm not sure how much this account has been whitewashed. The Americans certainly had motivation to do so, as demonizing Hirohito would have made the occupation much more difficult.
 
Reparations shouldn't matter anymore anyway. WW2 was 80 years ago. Almost everybody involved is long dead. No one is morally culpable for anything that their grandfathers did.

I would point out that there are surviving comfort women to this day and Japanese politicians *are* morally culpable for their current-day actions, which include calling those survivors liars to their faces, and levying international political pressure against even private memorials to said comfort women.
 
I would point out that there are surviving comfort women to this day and Japanese politicians *are* morally culpable for their current-day actions, which include calling those survivors liars to their faces, and levying international political pressure against even private memorials to said comfort women.
Japan paid them a lot of money as compensation for what they suffered through. South Korea pocketed the money and gave the women a shitty statue. If they want to continue their grievances, they should focus on their own regime.
 
I have a controversial opinion.

Accept that in times gone by your country might have done fucked up stuff because the past is a fucked up place, and leave it at that. Treat it as a historical event instead of a moral condemnation.

Here's the problem: you and I might think in that sane way, but out there are people who are not sane. People who think in collectivist terms, who will pretend that you personally are responsible for anything that any of your ancestors ever did.
 
I would point out that there are surviving comfort women to this day and Japanese politicians *are* morally culpable for their current-day actions, which include calling those survivors liars to their faces, and levying international political pressure against even private memorials to said comfort women.

Just to give numbers to what @Urabrask Revealed posted.

Japan paid 300 million dollars in reparations to them, along with 200 million in goods and services and a further 300 million in loans to private trusts. South Korea in turn signed an agreement that renounced all rights to further compensation on the matter.

SK paid each of the 8,552 survivors 300,000 Wong (about 268 US dollars today, I was not able to find reliable exchange rates from 1965). They paid a further around 6,622,090,000 (about 58.6 million dollars) to pay down wages they owed to various wartime workers and pocketed the rest.

The number of apologies Japan has made is also rather staggering, hundreds of official statements over several decades. Despite that, about a quarter of South Koreans believe Japan has never apologized at all, and many others tend to quibble about exact wording. A lot of Japanese officials have come to the conclusion in recent years (especially after this issue was supposedly "finally and irreversibly" settled in 2015, only to immediately be brought back up) that it will never be enough, so they might as well quit groveling and start suppressing.
 

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