History The Nazi Bashing Thread.

I mean, the Nazis were amateurs next to the commies, and yet are not vilified the same way Nazis are, so I kind of see them as the Ultimate Evil which has already taken the world by storm.
Given what Hitler's Reich managed in its twelve years of life (some thirty million slain on account of racial policy; what they planned to do to the Slavs chills me to the bone), I don't even want to imagine what it would have done with the reach and longevity of the Soviet Union.

One can acknowledge the scourge of communism whilst recognising National Socialism as worse.
 
Okay for God sakes, I am only going to say this once. This thread is not one for your anti-German, antisemitic, Uber Polska stronk crap. Because quite frankly that's what you're trying to make this thread about, your hateboner against all Germans going back to Fredrick and your incessant belief that if it weren't for them the Jews and Russia, Poland would be the undisputed world superpower.

This thread is about the Nazis, National Socialist, or any modern ideology which claims direct lineage with said ideology, it's not about making as many people out to be Nazi's as possible that you dislike or perceive to be your enemies if you want that you know where FIC is located.

It's true most Germans supported the Nazi regime that doesn't mean they all did. It's also true that Nazism evolved in some capacity from Prussian ideals going back to Fredrick the Great that doesn't mean that they are remotely the same thing.

Furthermore, since you are the Polish guy pushing fringe positions related to the polish right could you do us all a favor and either back up your claims or better explain sh*t? You keep bringing up above the year 1956 as if every man on this earth has the date marked on their calendar in remembrance of whatever outrage you think happened, but truthfully, I and most others here are drawing a blank in our heads and on google.
Perhaps what our good friend @ATP is trying to say is that the Nazis did not come out of whole cloth but rather followed ages-old views prevalent among the various Germans where Slavs were concerned.

Starting with the Northern Crusades and groups like the Teutonic order and continuing with the Prussians desire to take over Eastern Europe/Drang nach Osten/the suppression of Slavs within the Austro-Hungarian empire and the desire to knock out Russia in WWI/the creation of multiple German puppet states in the area and the attempt to colonize it.
This is a clear, systematic pattern of the various German societies and higher ups trying to kill slavs and take their stuff.


And that the real holocaust of WWII was actually not against the Jews but against us, slavs, the six million Jews could have been 10 and it would have still piled in comparison to the 30 - 40 million slavs that died due to the war and the famine and disease that was caused by it.
 
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Perhaps what our good friend @ATP is trying to say is that the Nazis did not come out of whole cloth but rather followed ages-old views prevalent among the various Germans where Slavs were concerned.

Starting with the Northern Crusades and groups like the Teutonic order and continuing with the Prussians desire to take over Eastern Europe/Drang nach Osten/the suppression of Slavs within the Austro-Hungarian empire and the desire to knock out Russia in WWI/the creation of multiple German puppet states in the area and the attempt to colonize it.
This is a clear, systematic pattern of the various German societies and higher ups trying to kill slavs and take their stuff.


And that the real holocaust of WWII was actually not against the Jews but against us, slavs, the six million Jews could have been 10 and it would have still piled in comparison to the 30 - 40 million slavs that died due to the war and the famine and disease that was caused by it.
Indeed.
Tchietmar chronicle/very big and booring/ show germans as rightful rulers of slavs,altchought he do not want to genocide us,only enslave.
Here:https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...usg=AOvVaw3Ko-6JigAi2uVgavP-MJpK&opi=89978449

Read at your peril,becouse there is no more boring book that his.Once i even use it to better sleep.....

Back to nazis - all groups are lead by various secret services,so why bother?
Real danger are germans,who try turn EU into Fourtch Reich now.
 
I mean, the Nazis were amateurs next to the commies, and yet are not vilified the same way Nazis are, so I kind of see them as the Ultimate Evil which has already taken the world by storm.
This. The only difference is that the commies had people within Western society after WW2 who were willing to work for them.

Also because the Cold War didn’t end with American troops kicking down the doors to the gulags.
 
This. The only difference is that the commies had people within Western society after WW2 who were willing to work for them.

Also because the Cold War didn’t end with American troops kicking down the doors to the gulags.
Yep.There was german supporters in England and USA,but after WW2 they pretended,that they never supported Hitler.Becouse he lost.
But,if he win,we would have german supporters everywhere,who would hunt remnants of commies.
And all commie groups would be lead by secret services,just like nazi groups now.

And that is why nazi bashing is no needed - there is no nazis now,except idiots lead by secret police,and german leaders,but you need bash germans,not nazis here.
 
Yep.There was german supporters in England and USA,but after WW2 they pretended,that they never supported Hitler.Becouse he lost.
But,if he win,we would have german supporters everywhere,who would hunt remnants of commies.
And all commie groups would be lead by secret services,just like nazi groups now.

And that is why nazi bashing is no needed - there is no nazis now,except idiots lead by secret police,and german leaders,but you need bash germans,not nazis here.
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Yes, because a country where you can get in trouble for so much as flying a flag with a swastika on it is CLEARLY secretly trying to resurect the Nazis.

Modern Germany has its issue to be sure, but a resurgent Nazi movement (as opposed to 'how dare you go against the leftoid agenda! We're going to call you a Nazi despite a lack of any connect to their ideas!') is not one of them.
 
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Yes, because a country where you can get in trouble for so much as flying a flag with a swastika on it is CLEARLY secretly trying to resurect the Nazis.

Modern Germany has its issue to be sure, but a resurgent Nazi movement (as opposed to 'how dare you go against the leftoid agenda! We're going to call you a Nazi despite a lack of any connect to their ideas!') is not one of them.
Well,NSDAP try to unite Europe with germans as leaders,and promoted vegans, wildlife refugees,targeted alcochol and cigarettes...
If you look at their agenda,then,except hurting jews ,modern Germany is still following it.

You look at propaganda and banning swastika - but ,you should look at what kind of policy they are making.
Normal germans like Bawarians or Saxonians never wanted rule over Europe.

And,back to topic,nazi groups do not need bashing,our goverment should just stop funding them through secret police.
 
Well,NSDAP try to unite Europe with germans as leaders,and promoted vegans, wildlife refugees,targeted alcochol and cigarettes...
If you look at their agenda,then,except hurting jews ,modern Germany is still following it.

You look at propaganda and banning swastika - but ,you should look at what kind of policy they are making.
Normal germans like Bawarians or Saxonians never wanted rule over Europe.

And,back to topic,nazi groups do not need bashing,our goverment should just stop funding them through secret police.
That’s because Nazism was, fundamentally, radical centralism taken to an authoritarian degree. One that had left wing policies; with how left wing modern Germany is, it’s not surprising that’s there’s over lap.

As for ‘Germany wanting to rule Europe’ ….eeeeh. Every European nation out there has wanted to control or influence Europe. It’s just that British wanted top spot and vilified (sometimes not without justification) any nation who tried.
 
That’s because Nazism was, fundamentally, radical centralism taken to an authoritarian degree. One that had left wing policies; with how left wing modern Germany is, it’s not surprising that’s there’s over lap.

As for ‘Germany wanting to rule Europe’ ….eeeeh. Every European nation out there has wanted to control or influence Europe. It’s just that British wanted top spot and vilified (sometimes not without justification) any nation who tried.
Of course.Lousis 14 want control Europe,Habsburgs before tried that,and Germans later.Normal thing.
Problem is,when we had dudes who wanted create state Europa - like Napoleon,Hitler,and germans now.
Becouse it is recipe for disaster.

And,i think,that we are barking under wrong tree here.
So called nazis are secret police tools which do notching withough orders,when leftists ,including german elites trying to turn EU into state,want green gulags.
And,if they win,we would have another failed utopia - but,befre that,millions would die in gulags.
Since it would include me,i prefer to avoid it.
 
Of course.Lousis 14 want control Europe,Habsburgs before tried that,and Germans later.Normal thing.
Problem is,when we had dudes who wanted create state Europa - like Napoleon,Hitler,and germans now.
Becouse it is recipe for disaster.

And,i think,that we are barking under wrong tree here.
So called nazis are secret police tools which do notching withough orders,when leftists ,including german elites trying to turn EU into state,want green gulags.
And,if they win,we would have another failed utopia - but,befre that,millions would die in gulags.
Since it would include me,i prefer to avoid it.
Having some type of "United States of Yurup"/Much larger version of the Helvetica Confederation would not be that bad, the problem is that usually one nation/volk tries to do that with force of arms, sees others as inferior and wants to assimilate or exterminate them.

And the Germans are:
a) More guilty of that than others, since they enjoy acting like fucking lemmings whenever a loudmouth asshole takes over and starts spinning retarded ideas that usually lead to bloody catastrophe.
b) Love to try and pull that shit on us Slavs.

Frankly this attitude probably grew in it's rpesent form with the Prussian influence, but started forming durning and after the 30 years war, when the German psyche was massively traumatized.

You can still see it now, with them embracing all sorts of idiocy like the green agenda and other such bullshit coming from total buffoons.
 
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And that the real holocaust of WWII was actually not against the Jews but against us, slavs, the six million Jews could have been 10 and it would have still piled in comparison to the 30 - 40 million slavs that died due to the war and the famine and disease that was caused by it.

There weren't forty million Jews in Europe (or the world for that matter) or even potentially ten million Jews in Europe to kill so the Jews would always underperform in that respect. Plus unlike Jews (unless we're boosting teenage George Soros to ridiculous levels) the Nazis hateboner for Slavs clearly wasn't as strong as it was for Jews. And that was true since the beginning of Hitler's Nazi ideology forming, with the main desire of reducing Slavs to serfdom/enslavement as opposed to actual extermination like the Jews and other assorted minority groups. Plus the Nazis were more then willing to ally and set up client states that were primarily Slavic like with Bulgaria and Croatia/Slovakia respectively. Not exactly something you saw with Jewry. Few years into the War and the Nazis were tossing even the German Jews who won Iron Crosses into the death chambers.
 
And that is why nazi bashing is no needed - there is no nazis now,except idiots lead by secret police,and german leaders,but you need bash germans,not nazis here.
For Godsakes! @ATP I will withdraw my accusation partway of antisemitism and completely ov cannibalism based off the fact that on the later I was mistaking somebody else for you, but that being said continue with this shit and I will hit you into the next year for derailment!

Unless these particular 'secret police' or 'german leaders' are claiming to be Nazi's they are irrelevant to the subject of the thread as again this thread isn't about labeling just anybody a Nazi and then bashing them, this thread is about bashing the NSADP, it's sick ideology and those the world around who openly claim roots or kinship to them up into modern times.

And before you try to bullsh*t your way out of this on a technicality I will openly point out that as the creator of this thread I more than you knew what I wrought when making it you do not get to jump in and hijack it and make it about something completely unrelated.

Again what this thread is about!
This thread isn't about labeling just anybody a Nazi and then bashing them, this thread is about bashing the NSADP, it's sick ideology and those the world around who openly claim roots or kinship to them up into modern times.
This is what you are trying to make the thread about...
How I Think German Nazi War Criminals Hijacked The Globalist and Pan-European Thread and made Poland Germany's Scapegoat and how only the Germans can be true Nazi's and are evil to this day!
Do you not see how these are two completely different arguments and subjects? Well I do and I don't want the later in this thread, @ATP you have been told to stop hijacking threads repeatedly in the past and I will reiterate it here, if you aren't an OP and the subject of the thread isn't to your liking make your own thread!
 
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For Godsakes! @ATP I will withdraw my accusation partway of antisemitism and completely ov cannibalism based off the fact that on the later I was mistaking somebody else for you, but that being said continue with this shit and I will hit you into the next year for derailment!

Unless these particular 'secret police' or 'german leaders' are claiming to be Nazi's they are irrelevant to the subject of the thread as again this thread isn't about labeling just anybody a Nazi and then bashing them, this thread is about bashing the NSADP, it's sick ideology and those the world around who openly claim roots or kinship to them up into modern times.

And before you try to bullsh*t your way out of this on a technicality I will openly point out that as the creator of this thread I more than you knew what I wrought when making it you do not get to jump in and hijack it and make it about something completely unrelated.

Again what this thread is about!

This is what you are trying to make the thread about...

Do you not see how these are two completely different arguments and subjects? Well I do and I don't want the later in this thread, @ATP you have been told to stop hijacking threads repeatedly in the past and I will reiterate it here, if you aren't an OP and the subject of the thread isn't to your liking make your own thread!
Look dude, I do not want to spam, but given your reaction when Cromwell is brought up somewhere you should maybe cut ATP some slack.

To put it simly, the Germans have done to the poles far worse shit than the British have ever done to the Irish, and for longer.

As to nazism, we should make a distinction between it and fascism and Hitler's actual brand of nazism(Usually it was called Hitlero-Fascism here in the east.)
Here is a comparison between them from TIK:


Now, to your other points about all those other Nazi parties, well, you mentioned places like Sweden and IIRC Belgium, both of which either had their own Drang nach Osten/hated slavs or had sizable German minorities like with Wallonia and Flanders.

But frankly, we lump up too much stuff into the "Nazi" cathegory, which literally means National Socialist German Workers' party.
 
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Look dude, I do not want to spam, but given your reaction when Cromwell is brought up somewhere you should maybe cut ATP some slack.

To put it simly, the Germans have done to the poles far worse shit than the British have ever done to the Irish, and for longer.

As to nazism, we should make a distinction between it and fascism and Hitler's actual brand of nazism(Usually it was called Hitlero-Fascism here in the east.)
Here is a comparison between them from TIK:


Now, to your other points about all those other Nazi parties, well, you mentioned places like Sweden and IIRC Belgium, both of which either had their own Drang nach Osten/hated slavs or had sizable German minorities like with Wallonia and Flanders.

But frankly, we lump up too much stuff into the "Nazi" cathegory, which literally means National Socialist German Workers' party.

I don't want to make pointless arguments on that end, suffice to say while I understand Polish-German enmity that doesn't mean that's the purpose of this thread the purpose is Nazi bashing not German bashing. And I won't be cutting @ATP any slack on this because he has a bad habbit of hjacking threads and causing derails on a bunch of subjects and sometimes quiet brazenly too.

I furthermore I don't get what your sudden alarmism concerning the definition of Nazi in the purpose in this thread is. (Don't you dare think about derailing this into a "What is Nazi thread")

For the purpose of this thread a Nazi is someone or some organization who by their own admission prescribes to be a follower or at least directly influenced directly by the NSADP or Hitler's writing in Mein Kamp and claims direct lineage from them. The word Nazi in this thread may also be used in attribute to the German Goverment and it's supporters from Hitler seizing power to his death and Germany's defeat at the end of the second world war.

That is fair of me as OP and it should keep us on subject.
 
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I don't want to make pointless arguments on that end, suffice to say while I understand Polish-German enmity that doesn't mean that's the purpose of this thread the purpose is Nazi bashing not German bashing. And I won't be cutting @ATP any slack on this because he has a bad habbit of hjacking threads and causing derails on a bunch of subjects and sometimes quiet brazenly too.

I furthermore I don't get what your sudden alarmism concerning the definition of Nazi in the purpose in this thread is. (Don't you dare think about derailing this into a "What is Nazi thread")

For the purpose of this thread a Nazi is someone or some organization who by their own admission prescribes to be a follower or at least directly influenced directly by the NSADP or Hitler's writing in Mein Kamp and claims direct lineage from them. The word Nazi in this thread may also be used in attribute to the German Goverment and it's supporters from Hitler seizing power to his death and Germany's defeat at the end of the second world war.

That is fair of me as OP and it should keep us on subject.
Yeah, ok, soo instead of Nazi=NSDAP=German National-Socialist Workers Party we just use Nazi as any idiot that likes a certain Austrian painter's gibberish/hates jews and is collectivist and authoritarian, ok...

Back on topic, your average SJW is a perfect Aryan, blonde like Hitler, tall like Himmler, fit and lean like Goring, faithful to family values like Goebbels. :D
 
For Godsakes! @ATP I will withdraw my accusation partway of antisemitism and completely ov cannibalism based off the fact that on the later I was mistaking somebody else for you, but that being said continue with this shit and I will hit you into the next year for derailment!

Unless these particular 'secret police' or 'german leaders' are claiming to be Nazi's they are irrelevant to the subject of the thread as again this thread isn't about labeling just anybody a Nazi and then bashing them, this thread is about bashing the NSADP, it's sick ideology and those the world around who openly claim roots or kinship to them up into modern times.

And before you try to bullsh*t your way out of this on a technicality I will openly point out that as the creator of this thread I more than you knew what I wrought when making it you do not get to jump in and hijack it and make it about something completely unrelated.

Again what this thread is about!

This is what you are trying to make the thread about...

Do you not see how these are two completely different arguments and subjects? Well I do and I don't want the later in this thread, @ATP you have been told to stop hijacking threads repeatedly in the past and I will reiterate it here, if you aren't an OP and the subject of the thread isn't to your liking make your own thread!
About being antisemite - once it were people who hated jews,now Antisemite is everybody who jews describe as such.
So,we should stop using this,or only as "dudes who are not liked by jews"


Back to bashing nazis - your problem is,then all group who was checked are lead by some secret police,or,as infamous "Wafer SS" in Poland,just hired by american tv.

So,there is notching to bash here.

And german elites really try to turn EU into one state,and if they win,we all end in green Auschwitz.
Of course they would fuck it,they are germans after all,but we could have 100-200M dead more before their utopia fall.
And they really blame us for german crimes during WW2.

P.S @Agent23 ,average nazi group member is handsome like Himmler,and his name is Rosenberg !
 
About being antisemite - once it were people who hated jews,now Antisemite is everybody who jews describe as such.
So,we should stop using this,or only as "dudes who are not liked by jews"


Back to bashing nazis - your problem is,then all group who was checked are lead by some secret police,or,as infamous "Wafer SS" in Poland,just hired by american tv.

So,there is notching to bash here.

And german elites really try to turn EU into one state,and if they win,we all end in green Auschwitz.
Of course they would fuck it,they are germans after all,but we could have 100-200M dead more before their utopia fall.
And they really blame us for german crimes during WW2.

P.S @Agent23 ,average nazi group member is handsome like Himmler,and his name is Rosenberg !
And he works for the FBI.
And glows in the dark.
:ROFLMAO:
 
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First, Nazis bad. I am half Dutch, so I am no fan of Nazis.

Second, "antisemite" is anyone who says anything Jewish people do not want said- Marlon Brando's comment, while true, was branded "anti-semitism." The idea is to literally create a group of people who cannot be criticized in any way, shape, or form, which is in fact a master race concept. Imagine if black people were condemned if any black guy ever criticized white people.

Hopefully this won't get me banned.
 
First, Nazis bad. I am half Dutch, so I am no fan of Nazis.

Second, "antisemite" is anyone who says anything Jewish people do not want said- Marlon Brando's comment, while true, was branded "anti-semitism." The idea is to literally create a group of people who cannot be criticized in any way, shape, or form, which is in fact a master race concept. Imagine if black people were condemned if any black guy ever criticized white people.

Hopefully this won't get me banned.
well, the whole woke/intersectionality concept boils down to a hierarchical ranking of ethnic & cultural groups. The higher tiers are reserved for those deemed more worthy by virtue of being, or being descended from, 'victims' of those lower on the hierarchy. (It is, like most marxism, more a distortion of christian moral teaching than anything else). As a (presumably) gentile Dutch, you are several rungs below the rung occupied by Jews on the hierarchy. Perhaps if you were also handicapped, gender confused, and a suitably exotic religious minority you might be able to argue for a higher tier. As is, the dominant social mores dictate that you can not criticize those who are more victimized (virtuous, hierarchically superior) than you. UNLESS, of course, you do so 'on behalf' of those who (by virtue of being even more victimized) are considered to be of a higher tier. Hence much of the enthusiasm (amongst those who evidence no concern for other refugee groups) for the Palestinian "Cause". It is a get-out-of-cancellation free card for those who wish to criticize jews or the jewish state.

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1. In all fairness, there is a long history of nasty and often violent antisemitism, especially in Europe and the 'middle east', so hypersensitivity on the topic is to be expected. What the British did to the Irish doesn't come close to what folks did to the Jews, and I can confirm that my extended family will still be holding a grudge over that after old-blighty sinks beneath the waves.
1.a. We can argue as to why the jews were/are so often targeted, but I expect a combination of deliberate cultural separatism combined with a cultural focus on education and hard work, which often led to strong presence in mercantile and later financial classes made them easy, and lucrative targets. People might despise paupers, but the don't normally bother with trying to wipe them out and take their stuff (after all, they have nothing to take, that is what makes them paupers). A distinct, wealthy, minority who also happen to hold most of the (armed) governing class's debt? What a convenient target. For a non-jewish example, see the Knights Templar - who were probably wiped out more due to their role in holding debt for the Frankish crown, and a general ignorance of banking (the grand templar treasure that various idiots keep searching for never existed, and was a figment of medieval ignorance of how financial intermediation works) than the frankly (pun intended) fantastical tales of idolatry and blasphemy.
2. Given the enthusiasm* for the Palestinian cause, and the Israeli temerity to be militarily successful and politically independent of their 'betters' in Europe, the charge of 'anti-semitism' has lost much, if not most, of its bite on the continent.
2.a. An enthusiasm, helped no doubt, but several decades of middle eastern oil money.
2.b. And of course immigration. Not sure how importing large number of folks from a different cultural milieu, while forswearing any serious effort at integration, much less assimilation, will work in the long run, but neither history nor human nature give much grounds for optimism. It seems near-certain to get pretty ugly before it all works out.
2.c. Not that the US is doing so much better of late. For reasons of factional political expedience much of the self-proclaimed elite has rather ostentatiously abandoned the entire concept of assimilation, which is now running more on inertia than anything else.
 
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1.a. We can argue as to why the jews were/are so often targeted, but I expect a combination of deliberate cultural separatism combined with a cultural focus on education and hard work, which often led to strong presence in mercantile and later financial classes made them easy, and lucrative targets. People might despise paupers, but the don't normally bother with trying to wipe them out and take their stuff (after all, they have nothing to take, that is what makes them paupers). A distinct, wealthy, minority who also happen to hold most of the (armed) governing class's debt? What a convenient target. For a non-jewish example, see the Knights Templar - who were probably wiped out more due to their role in holding debt for the Frankish crown, and a general ignorance of banking (the grand templar treasure that various idiots keep searching for never existed, and was a figment of medieval ignorance of how financial intermediation works) than the frankly (pun intended) fantastical tales of idolatry and blasphemy.
Yeah, it is a worldwide observation that merchant/middleman minorities become despised by the majority, whoever they are, and whoever they live among. There are quite a few other cases than Jews. The Igbo tribe in Nigeria, Chinese in Southeast Asia, and on smaller scale, Asian immigrants in majority black democrat city slums, and that's just from top of my head.
A combination of lender-borrower interactions and plain jealousy ensures tense relationship between the groups. And then it just takes the right circumstances for someone to decide to blame them for some sort of political or economic problems, as outsiders with money and strange views and customs they always make for believable culprits of such, or just simply plunder them. It's just one of a long list of exhibits for why multiculturalism is not good for ya. Many such cases, the only unusual thing about this one case is that a combination of socialist centralization and the industrial efficiency Germans are famous for got applied to it.

Take away that and WW2, take away all the mythos and propaganda built around that by various parties for various reasons, and at its core NSDAP would be just one of those generic authoritarian governments having a casual romance with socialism that are dime a dozen in the third world and sometimes beyond too. That would serve far more to make it uncool than the leftist's politically convenient idea to use its case to tie it to nationalism (and don't mention what the rest of NSDAP's name stands for) into a secular leftist version of the devil, in turn inspiring its own variation of satanists in form of neonazis.
 

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