Lol how?
The Nature of False Flags, Paranoia and Radicalism Fuel Each Other
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bintananth
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Because they're usually not false flag incidents.
The powers-that-be usually have better things to do and bigger fish to fry than to stage an incident when and where they want one to occur. They don't even need to because some random idiot will almost assuredly cause a scene near the desired time and place and to the desired effect without the powers-that-be even needing to lift a finger.
Sobek
Disgusting Scalie
The virgin false flag: Feds put in risk, needs big network to be pulled off, anyone could talk
The Chad "Allowed to Happen": Just let some moron boomer unsurpervised, divert resources to more "pressing" threats, when it happen you can just claim you were overwhelmed, much fewer possible leaks, harder to prove malice
bintananth
behind a desk
The Chad "Allowed to Happen" is a day ending in "-y" in the US. There is some idiot in the US doing something dumb enough at this very moment that will be mentioned by a news station (local, if not national) before midnight if it's not already being reported on by someone on scene providing a live newsfeed.
It makes us look needlessly paranoid for no real reason beyond giving into the desire to be so.
The healthy human mind doesn't automatically assume or speak out loud either 'conspiracy' or 'it's just shadows' immediately in every situation, but interprets information as available using logic to ascertain truth from fiction.
Only a fool would 100% trust a single source for information and given that in this case there is literally no real evidence either way or many sources yet, just assuming it's a conspiracy like a known fact right off the bat is silly and reflects overly negative when we should wait for more varied information on the issue.
Assumptions can make an a$$ out of both you and me after all.
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bintananth
behind a desk
This, in so many ways.
For example, if you were to see a car about as expensive as a decent chunk of a NASCAR field parked in the 'hood and left unattended what would you think?
In my neck of the woods that probably means one of my sisters and a homeless guy she's very good friends with are sharing a six-pack of cheap beer while relaxing in lawn chairs under a shade tree at a nearby park.
Yeah. But this assumes I give a fuck what the lefties think about me.
How's it hurt us? They already think we're conspiracy theorist Nazis.
bintananth
behind a desk
If the shoe fits ...
More seriously: if you don't want to be viewed as a conspiracy theorist Nazi take a step back and ask yourself why you're considered one and stop doing the things which lead to that impression.
oh, I see you used the "if you don't want ____ then stop doing things that make them think that" line.
And I'll reiterate:
I don't give a flying fuck if lefty retards who think everyone and everything is racist, think I'm a conspiracy theorist Nazi.
Their opinions mean absolutely nothing to me. They were calling me an alt right Nazi after voting for Hillary Clinton just because I was warning people that Trump isn't as bad as people thinks, and he might win.
They're going to call me that unless I fit in exactly with their way of thinking. So, fuck 'em.
You wanna insinuate I'm a conspiracy theorist Nazi? Okay. I'm a conspiracy theorist Nazi. What now?
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Given how the Left paints most of the Right as such, often for terrible things like wanting a secure border and voting system, or believing life starts in the womb, I will ask; why should we care if soyboys and SJWs inaccurately insult us as 'conspiracy theory Nazis'?
Terthna
Professional Lurker
So you want me to stop thinking the 2016 Ghostbusters reboot movie was terrible? Because I've been called a "conspiracy theorist Nazi" for thinking that it sucks.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
So, 'be a communist.'
Because that's basically the only way I've seen to...
No, wait, I'm a white male, so that's not good enough. I'd have to become trans too.
As best I can tell, becoming a trans communist is the only way for that lot to not call me a nazi. Even though I've literally been a small-government conservative since I first became aware of politics.
bintananth
behind a desk
@Rocinante, @Bacle, @Terthna, and @LordsFire ... I think you're conflating the far-left radicals who think of anyone who doesn't agree with them on everything is the enemy with the majority of the actual left.
You know, the ones who aren't batshit crazy and would be willing to sit down with you and have a discussion resulting in a compromise neither side is truly happy with but both sides can live with.
You know, the ones who aren't batshit crazy and would be willing to sit down with you and have a discussion resulting in a compromise neither side is truly happy with but both sides can live with.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Yes. These people also do not casually through around 'nazi' or fascist. Because they can recognize that believing in small government and not believing in wealth redistribution policies, is more or less the opposite of being a nazi.
If someone sits down and talks with me, and learns what I believe, then claims I'm a nazi, I know they're not dealing with me in good faith, and are, to use your terminology 'far-left radicals,' 'batshit crazy,' or both.
Who the the heck says anything about the left? I am talking about swing voters who don't give a shit either way until making up their mind last minute.
(@bintananth is making a separate argument than me branching out from the same post in some respect Nazi's have no bearing on what I am criticizing here.)
It hurts us by making us seem overly paranoid their is a fine line in thinking something might be a cover up or suspicious and immediately always assuming one to be a fact because ninety-nine percent of violence in this world is instigated by individuals not some grand conspiracy.
Part of winning the next election regardless of stopping fraud attempts will be getting swing voters on our side as they ultimately decide the election more than a parties main base who will vote regardless and acting paranoid for little reason or proceeding to say things like.
Isn't going to help us in the long haul, in fact it's worse, because it's showing for all the world that the left is getting under our skin when it shouldn't be an issue.
Your not a Nazi Roci, we both know it and frankly I don't think you have to change a thing about your outlook on life to prove that. But regardless, there is a difference between being 'politically correct' and being 'tactful'
One involves having everybody but you jump you and derive your words or actions in an attempt to demonize you and make you out to be something your not for their sole political benefit and silence those they dislike.
The second involves you yourself picking your battles and not giving unnecessary ammo to the opposition with nothing to show on a whim out of spite and all for the sake of your team.
The two are not related, by going out and proclaiming conspiracy pre-emptively before the bodies have hit the floor you will de-legitimize us by making us seem illogical if it's determined otherwise.
I don't disagree with you for thinking conspiracy, I would be lying if I said the though didn't cross my mind when the situation presented itself.
The difference between you and me however is that other than putting the option out their I would never assume that option as a default nor pronounce it as such, because their was no evidence for or against it.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
Says the person who's unironically pushing the rhetoric of said far-left radicals. Here's a hint; if you're seriously comparing people to Nazis, and it's not because they're trying to argue that we need to exterminate the Jews? You're not one of the sane ones.
Mind you, this is coming from someone who is a sane leftist.
bintananth
behind a desk
I'm saying that from the perspective of someone who knows that some of the people in my neighborhood do not believe my wife and I are US Citizens because we aren't white even though both our respective families have been in the US since before US Civil War.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
And if you had said what you said to someone who was actually arguing something similar, you might have had a point. But they weren't, and you didn't; you just asserted that whenever someone is comparing us to a Nazi for doing something, we should stop doing that thing. Completely ignoring the fact that such comparisons are rarely, if ever, valid.
If you don't want to be dismissed as just another crazy regressive leftist, maybe you should take a step back and think before you attack everyone's character without cause. Because as bad as your personal experience was? It doesn't give you any special privileges, or insights into other people's lives.
I am a ex-Dem myself, from a hard D household that's been politically active on the Left for locally, and who was voting straight D till some people helped me take blinders off that I didn't even realize I had; I know what the Dems are like and how they think.
Said knowledge and experience is also why I am no longer part of the Left, and feel they will do anything and everything they can to win long term, Constitution, laws, and civil rights/liberties be damned.
Which is bullshit you shouldn't have to put up with, and people who engage in that sort of racial bullshit have poisoned a lot of American politics, on both sides.
I think you will find most people on the Right would see the views of your neighbors as backwards and moronic, though it is true that a fringe of the Right does embrace such race-based thinking and we unfortunately have a few of them around here.
This runs smack into the issue that more and more 'conspiracy theories' get proven legit or semi-true all the time, and a long, sorrid history of false flag ops against the Right (remember the Bundy case that turned out to be like 90% Fed informants from multiple agencies), along with the new DoD focus on 'domestic' issues.
People are not calling this stuff likely false flags and glowie ops for no reason.
That's the thing about paranoia; just because your paranoid, doesn't mean someone isn't out to get you.
We know plenty of people with power would love to have domestic terror incidents to blame on the Right, we've seen stuff that turned out to be Feds fucking around to create/help along crimes so they can bust them later, and we know the media bias in play.
We have good reason to be worried about false flags and glowie ops trying to create things for the powers in DC to use to distract from A-stan and justify thier fears of anyone right of Bernie
See, Almost every "conspiracy theory," I have had over the last 20 months or so has ended up being true.
Now we have the FBI saying anti vaxxers and election questioners are terrorist threats.
The FBI is setting the narrative so they can pull off false flag attacks and blame it on us.
It's going to happen. It's already started - gov Whitmer or however it's spelled.
I don't really care if it makes me look paranoid. I probably AM paranoid. For good reason. These conspiracy theories keep ending up true.
We keep getting more and more evidence of election fraud, we are now pretty sure covid came from a Chinese lab, the fbi keeps being heavily involved in attacks, the country really does seem to be covering up uses of drugs like HCQ and IVE for covid. The government really does let leftists off and arrests right wingers for the same things, police really did just open doors, remove barricades, and let people into the Capitol on Jan 6th, it really wasn't planned by right wing groups and they imleached a fucking president for that. The president really didn't collude with Russia, and they impeached him for that, too. It keeps going. When I start being wrong about all these conspiracy theories, maybe I'll take a different perspective. At this point I think responding to events with some paranoia is the HEALTHY response, because there are ACTUAL CONSPIRACIES, all over the place. And if members want to call me a Nazi for it, I don't give a fuck.
He's not under my skin. I literally don't care. I have been called a Nazi for every political position I have taken since like 2012. I used to care, I don't now.
Two of the people you quoted are ex leftist, one is still a lefty.
There are some members of the left I can talk with. I talk with @Terthna on here all the time
But the "far-left radicals" as you call them are no longer radicals and are no longer an internet fringe. They're quite mainstream. We have cia directors and whatnot publicly calling us the American Taliban. Mainstream hosts repeat these same lines. Colbert recently said "why do we need to fight the Taliban in Afghanistan? We have our own right here," and then showed a picture of republican protestors. That's not a radical, that's not a fringe, that's Stephen fucking Colbert. A super mainstream talk show host. This attitude is no longer a fringe.
I don't WANT to talk with people like that. They can fuck off.
Now, you insinuated I was a Nazi earlier. We're you trying to make a rhetorical point, or do you want to be on the "fuck off," list? Because you can call me a Nazi all you want. I'll agree with you and we can stop talking because there's no more discussion to be had. I will not defend myself to you if you think I'm a Nazi.
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