The motivations for sex and the consequences

almostinsane

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This is hardly surprising

eh? That’s not surprising. Women are attracted to strength. And at a primal level, that includes violence. In ancient times the best men were the ones that cracked skulls. And left bodies in their wake. Not only were they protectors of their women, their martial and physical prowess meant that they had good genes, women are attracted to that.

The problem is while those traits may have been beneficial in the Bronze Age or Stone Age-humans don’t live in that world anymore. At least not on the surface.

Our ingrained biology, and deep primal behavior hasn’t changed to fit our current post industrial ultra comfortable civilization.

It’s an issue of a disconnect-biology and civilization that don’t fit. Because the former isn’t bound to the latter, while the former doesn’t change as fast as the latter.

Physical strength will always be a trait that will attract women. Yet, I've found that a modicum of intelligence, self-respect, and a display of inner strength does wonders with the opposite sex. Those traits, after all, helped men survive and reproduce in the past as well.
 
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Physical strength will always be a trait that will attract women. Yet, I've found that a modicum of intelligence, self-respect, and a display of inner strength does wonders with the opposite sex. Those traits, after all, helped men survive and reproduce in the past as well.
The problem is, physical strength is not near as necessary for survival as it was. In ancient times-soy boys/weak beta losers would simply not survive-they'd either toughen up or they'd not survive childhood. Even peasants had to have a modicum of strength and self respect.

This creates problems in that men aren't incentivized to be as physically strong or active(or violent), but women are still attracted to those that are.

One of two things has to give-either civilization collapses and we return to a state of barbarism where "toxic masculinity" is just fucking basic being a man, or women's primal drives and behavior is somehow edited or made more congruent with our civilization.
 

almostinsane

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The problem is, physical strength is not near as necessary for survival as it was. In ancient times-soy boys/weak beta losers would simply not survive-they'd either toughen up or they'd not survive childhood. Even peasants had to have a modicum of strength and self respect.

This creates problems in that men aren't incentivized to be as physically strong or active(or violent), but women are still attracted to those that are.

One of two things has to give-either civilization collapses and we return to a state of barbarism where "toxic masculinity" is just fucking basic being a man, or women's primal drives and behavior is somehow edited or made more congruent with our civilization.

Or, more men realize that self-respect makes them more attractive to women and, in the process, outbreed the soyboys.

Confidence is a hell of an aphrodesiac.
 

Lanmandragon

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What say you Random?

The demands of society and how it teaches men to be are utterly in contradiction to what women find attractive which can well explain why women are biggest supporters of immigration. There are anecdotes of white women marrying tons of north african males in Europe or arabs.

Our current morality is utterly in contradiction to nature.
This entire line of argument boils down to. "Father's need to be present to teach manhood or the boy won't get laid." Lack of father's is (drum roll) once again the base issue. Noticing a pattern yet understand why feminism targets the nuclear family yet? Destruction of patriarchal (father's) authority destroys societies.
 

Lanmandragon

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Eh, They might have screwed up cause and effect here. People who aren't going to be bullies: Social outcasts. People who aren't social: also not likely to have sex. Also, people who bully are more likely to be socially outgoing as well as being strong, and more masculine. I'm not sure that it's bullying that causes the attraction, rather it might be that popular people are more likely to bully and more likely to have sex.
That's exactly it in order to bully one must by definition be strong. Otherwise how would you actually bully someone. So what's going on is tuat women are attracted to strong men. As well as strong men will become bullies without an older male. To channel thier inherent strength into productive pursuits. The man is still a strong man even if evil basically. Women are attracted to strong men regardless of morality.
 

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That's exactly it in order to bully one must by definition be strong.
That is not true, unless you equate strong with social acceptance. You can be a bully and not be very strong very easily. Depends on the social character of your school. The key part is being socially prominent.

This study also says nothing about who women are attracted to, instead it says who has sex. These are not equivalent. Having more sex than another person doesn't imply that you are more attractive to a target demographic. For all we know, they are just trying more often, which is quite likely.
 

Lanmandragon

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That is not true, unless you equate strong with social acceptance. You can be a bully and not be very strong very easily. Depends on the social character of your school. The key part is being socially prominent.

This study also says nothing about who women are attracted to, instead it says who has sex. These are not equivalent. Having more sex than another person doesn't imply that you are more attractive to a target demographic. For all we know, they are just trying more often, which is quite likely.
Nope humans ate social animals strong implyies powerful. Not necessarily physically but vin whatever way achieves said power. Also women are absolutely attracted to power period. What the study says isn't overly relevent here. Humans anf thereforewonen are smart tribal apes. Female tribal apes will be attracted to powerful males it's that simple. Honestly believe as you will but frankly your a homosexual. Your advice on women isn't well relevent at all. As you don't actually pursue them I'm going to go ahead and stuck with what gets broads naked. It's worked since 7th grade so yeah. People can do or believe whatever they want but what I'm saying acually works. So yeah
 

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Nope humans ate social animals strong implyies powerful. Not necessarily physically but vin whatever way achieves said power. Also women are absolutely attracted to power period. What the study says isn't overly relevent here. Humans anf thereforewonen are smart tribal apes. Female tribal apes will be attracted to powerful males it's that simple. Honestly believe as you will but frankly your a homosexual. Your advice on women isn't well relevent at all. As you don't actually pursue them I'm going to go ahead and stuck with what gets broads naked. It's worked since 7th grade so yeah. People can do or believe whatever they want but what I'm saying acually works. So yeah
First of all, Bisexual, so my advice on what people find attractive in guys is better than yours, and my thoughts on what makes a female attracted to males is about equal. Like apes, humans engage in dominance games. But although for apes, the game can ultimately be won by physical strength, in the civilized world, different games can be played in different subcultures, for different successes in reproduction. Strength is one possible game. Now, apparently, you've optimized for where you are, but if I popped you in a different subculture, strength might be vastly less important than other attributes, and you'd lose in those dominance games, then be a social outcast there.
 

Lanmandragon

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First of all, Bisexual, so my advice on what people find attractive in guys is better than yours, and my thoughts on what makes a female attracted to males is about equal. Like apes, humans engage in dominance games. But although for apes, the game can ultimately be won by physical strength, in the civilized world, different games can be played in different subcultures, for different successes in reproduction. Strength is one possible game. Now, apparently, you've optimized for where you are, but if I popped you in a different subculture, strength might be vastly less important than other attributes, and you'd lose in those dominance games, then be a social outcast there.
Except social power is in fact strength which I litterally said. "Strength" means power not physical prowess. Also believe as you will but what I'm saying is reality. You can play whatever games you like I and those like me. Will figure out the win condition and we'll emulate that and women will get naked. Basically I agree that different factor's will effect "alphaness" in different contexts. The thing is an actual "alpha" will adapt and win regardless of the win condition.
 

Lanmandragon

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I'm still going to document it if I feel like it.

I understood it more just from this and thought to myself what historical simping was there back in the past that brought even the best down.

Don't get me wrong I'm sure there are more now then historically. Still though simps aren't a new phenomenon at all.
 

Yinko

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"Rise of" bro simps have always and will always be a thing sorry.
Goes back to at least Courtly Love, 11th century. Just that the trend has its peaks and valleys, and that social flaw gets weeded out through natural selection. Hard to pass on a cultural trait when you leave no legacy and have no children to teach.
 

Fleiur

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Though I know that my husband can defend me in a physical fight (even if it's unlikely to happen that we will involve ourselves in those things), what really attracts me to him is his intelligence, convictions and perseverance. A big factor is also that we share the same values. I know I have said this in here before, but sharing the same values is really vital in a relationship and marriage. Because the two of us always go back to our values at the end of the day whenever we have misunderstandings and arguments.

We are both our late 20s when we met so we are in the phase of our lives where, we mostly established who we are and we took the leap of faith and got married. Also, we abstained from sex until marriage so there is no comparing each other to exes. Just our memories together.

I know that it's different for everyone. But, I know that there are couples who are like us and get it right the first time.

So, in short. Values and conviction are the most important. They're real strength. Physical strength is meaningless if you don't have strong will.
 

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Though I know that my husband can defend me in a physical fight (even if it's unlikely to happen that we will involve ourselves in those things), what really attracts me to him is his intelligence, convictions and perseverance. A big factor is also that we share the same values. I know I have said this in here before, but sharing the same values is really vital in a relationship and marriage. Because the two of us always go back to our values at the end of the day whenever we have misunderstandings and arguments.

We are both our late 20s when we met so we are in the phase of our lives where, we mostly established who we are and we took the leap of faith and got married. Also, we abstained from sex until marriage so there is no comparing each other to exes. Just our memories together.

I know that it's different for everyone. But, I know that there are couples who are like us and get it right the first time.

So, in short. Values and conviction are the most important. They're real strength. Physical strength is meaningless if you don't have strong will.
I wish you a long, healthy and happy relationship. Suceeds where others who air their issues online fail.
 

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