The Most Dangerous Amendment Proposal in America

I think the media exemption shows the real intention of the authors rather plainly. I also think banning the speech of any organisation is a wicked thing because even if you accept that corporations weren't part of Jefferson's Republic of Virtue, civic organisations certainly were.
Here's the thing, corporations are willing to buy out anyone they can, and give the ol' 'bolt cutters to the junk' treatment (aka 'nice unemployment numbers you've got there, it would be a shame if something happened to them', Walmart is rumored to do this all the time whenever the government tries to do anything about their shenanigans) for anyone that resists.

That and the sad truth is that most people aren't willing to go into the 'bigger picture'.

We're going to see everything get more and more authoritarian in the coming years just because our technological context has ripped our assumptions on freedoms and rights apart.
 
Here's the thing, corporations are willing to buy out anyone they can, and give the ol' 'bolt cutters to the junk' treatment (aka 'nice unemployment numbers you've got there, it would be a shame if something happened to them', Walmart is rumored to do this all the time whenever the government tries to do anything about their shenanigans) for anyone that resists.

I wonder how they buy out unions whilst letting them continue to campaign then

The leadership admittedly, probably gets paid way more than the membership knows
 
I wonder how they buy out unions whilst letting them continue to campaign then

The leadership admittedly, probably gets paid way more than the membership knows
No, unions -in the grand scheme of things- are powerless. The GOP and the corporations did that in the '70s and '80s.
 
What about the Labor Party in the UK?
The unions in the UK were going to get screwed over no matter who was in charge. The Iron Lady simply went out and annihilated them during her reign as PM and got praised for it.

Without powerful unions, labor gets the good ol' chains slapped onto them again.

... and now? Unions aren't going to work anymore because of automation has Moore's Law applied to it... meaning the overall work pool is going to shrink as time goes on. Essentially, labor is screwed.
 
Without powerful unions, labor gets the good ol' chains slapped onto them again.

... and now? Unions aren't going to work anymore because of automation has Moore's Law applied to it... meaning the overall work pool is going to shrink as time goes on. Essentially, labor is screwed.


Time to increase wages and ban automation?
 
Time to increase wages and ban automation?
Prisoner's Dilemma problem: we loose if we ban automation because those who automate will dominate. With the pure profit drive of economies, you'll have that problem as a specter at best.

Right now humans are considered too expensive, which is why we're hearing more and more about automation now... because there is literally gigantic amounts of money being funneled into automation to cut personnel costs.

Doctors and lawyers? In the periphery of the crosshairs. Middle management? The upper part of the crosshairs. Blue-collar? Right smack in the center of the crosshairs. Basically, if a human can do it, a machine can do... and more often better than humans.

Right now, the best-case scenario is likely going to be something similar to my future-history setting: all but a small part (5-25% depending on faction) are actually required to work the fields, factories, stores, and offices and the rest of the population is superfluous to the work market on the business end and thus requires a UBL to keep the situation from being a cycle of revolutions and counter-revolutions.

Worst case scenario if the climate getting fucked up doesn't kill us? The rich simply hunting everyone outside their incredibly tiny little clique for psychotic sport.
 
They won't last long in the environment we're looking at mate.

Why? Because Hollywood Elites don’t like guns?

Because Champagne Socialists or businessmen who take to trying to sell stuff like this

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@LordSunhawk (again just as an example of entertainment corporations trying to pander to their destroyers or those supposedly standing up to them)

Are neither smart nor ruthless enough in-terms of business decisions to survive?

I honestly wonder if they actually believe that pushing this sort of stuff would really sell, especially on other more expensive forms of entertainment production
 
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So, pushing the above is NOT a sign of ruthlessness?
Then you don't know how the Prisoner's Dilemma works then. Basically, in a situation where you get screwed (more or less) either way, the decision making goes to the non-optimal choice.

Basically, if automating makes you bankrupt down the road and not automating gets you bankrupt in a few days... you automate.
 
Then you don't know how the Prisoner's Dilemma works then. Basically, in a situation where you get screwed (more or less) either way, the decision making goes to the non-optimal choice.

Basically, if automating makes you bankrupt down the road and not automating gets you bankrupt in a few days... you automate.

Dude, I was talking about stuff like this

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Is this the mark of ruthlessness?
 
It's called marketing trends. Fun and unpredictable stuff that is.

They rebooted her like six/seven times, each after getting axed due to low sales, her highest and longest sales were back when she was the first before the latter of the picture

Anyway, best move this to another thread

Anyhow, see you all tomorrow morning, gotta sleep
 
Here's the thing, corporations are willing to buy out anyone they can, and give the ol' 'bolt cutters to the junk' treatment (aka 'nice unemployment numbers you've got there, it would be a shame if something happened to them', Walmart is rumored to do this all the time whenever the government tries to do anything about their shenanigans) for anyone that resists.

That and the sad truth is that most people aren't willing to go into the 'bigger picture'.

We're going to see everything get more and more authoritarian in the coming years just because our technological context has ripped our assumptions on freedoms and rights apart.

And you think further atomising society will make things better? No, you will just complete the destruction your proposal claims to address, like all Pit ideas drive us further to destruction. The only freedom will be found in the Butlerian Jihad.
 
The only freedom will be found in the Butlerian Jihad.

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I wonder how many of these dudes have lung cancer now and how much their lifespan is

Also, how many of their kids are gonna die before reaching adulthood or end up child prostitutes or be malnourished due to child labor not being rendered moot and unnecessarily stupidly cruel by the presence of higher technologies

And you think further atomising society will make things better? No, you will just complete the destruction your proposal claims to address, like all Pit ideas drive us further to destruction.

Well, when you look at it this way, Governments are almost considered Gods or Messiahs

They will NEVER be corrupt or incapable of handling the big weight or lots of things to administrate with zero problem, people would rather trust a concept than they would, other people, to be smart and pragmatic

"In contrast to Confucius’ li-based theory, the Legalism advocates the utilization of codified laws and harsh punishment to achieve social order. This is due to the legalists’ belief that all human beings are born evil and self-interested. Therefore, if left unrestrained, people would engage in selfish behavior which will undoubtedly lead to social unrest. To cure this defect and force people to behave morally, the only way, believed the legalists, is to publicly promulgate clearly written laws and impose harsh punishments.
Realizing that the abilities of rulers are often limited and that reliance on the ruler’s ability and judgment often leads to adverse results, the legalists designed a system in which the law is run by the state, not the ruler. This ensures that the laws will be applied impartially without the interference of personal bias of the ruler or ones who are responsible for applying the laws. It also makes it irrelevant whether the ruler has superior abilities. This non-action promoted by the legalists is their understanding of the concept of wuwei, which is different from the Confucians’ understanding of the same concept."


Small problem though, who Watches The Watchmen, and who watches that guy doing the watching so on and so forth

Because the Watchmen can be bribed, can be corrupt, can be insane, can be incompetent, can be unquestioned, can have cliques, can keep their corruption secret etc

Frankly, if humans can't be trusted to be pragmatic through the concepts of Enlightened Self-Interest and Pragmatic Villainy in order to temper that selfishness as the alternative carrot, I know what will

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If you want a highly centralised government that is responsible for lots of stuff, you need it to be ran by a Super-AI with the firepower to destroy any possible threat to the order it envisions



Tell me you don't think VICKI would be a great absolute leader
 
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The thing about automation, though, is that if they do it too much, there won't be enough people who can actually afford to buy the shit that's being made.
 
@CarlManvers2019 , I guarantee you those collier workers were far happier for the fifty years they lived then a thirty year old MGTOW virgin or soyboy who lives on the dole (take your pick on the political spectrum, they’re all the same) ever will be. They had families, sang songs, had bonds of camaraderie and male friendship, and could take pride in their work.

I am white collar, Master’s Engineering degree, I won’t have a family, I will always be “corporate” to those manly men like that, always at a remove. But when I take my bandaged hands with five stitches and swing core boxes with them, when I get blasted in the face from a leaking glycol process pipe, when the refrigerant leaks and the TCE vapors set off alarms and we’re all standing around in level A, when the carbon fibre dust makes your hands itch like heck—I am certainly taking years off my life in comparison to my office-professional relatives, I don’t care. I have earned respect and meaning to life which is worth those years.

So, I think most people in heavy industry, myself included, would answer back to you that if you think we’re idiots for not wanting to go on the Dole.... Okay, we’re idiots, and here’s our song:

 

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