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Bit late to the party since I only had time to catch up today.

One thing I think hasn't really been touched on is that in most scenes, Din is actually the least honorable guy in the room. He fully expected Boba Fett to take off once he had his armor back but Fett's code was way stronger. He thought he could bypass the need for an honorable fight for the Darksaber just by telling Bo Katan "I yield" when she realized that wasn't the honorable way to do it. He's broken every code that he himself holds to, from violating bounty hunters guild rules to save Grogu to showing his face (for the same reason).

Din really doesn't have much of a code of honor to fall back on anymore, and has been eroding his own code since the first episode. I think he may have found something better in the form of morality rather than rigid ceremonial ethics though.
 

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Bit late to the party since I only had time to catch up today.

One thing I think hasn't really been touched on is that in most scenes, Din is actually the least honorable guy in the room. He fully expected Boba Fett to take off once he had his armor back but Fett's code was way stronger. He thought he could bypass the need for an honorable fight for the Darksaber just by telling Bo Katan "I yield" when she realized that wasn't the honorable way to do it. He's broken every code that he himself holds to, from violating bounty hunters guild rules to save Grogu to showing his face (for the same reason).

Din really doesn't have much of a code of honor to fall back on anymore, and has been eroding his own code since the first episode. I think he may have found something better in the form of morality rather than rigid ceremonial ethics though.
I think that's the point. How much infighting have we seen because of a "Code" that hasin't even been written down? Something tells me we are going to see ANOTHER mando civil war, and Din is going to finally go "Guy's knock it off!"
 
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One thing I think hasn't really been touched on is that in most scenes, Din is actually the least honorable guy in the room. He fully expected Boba Fett to take off once he had his armor back but Fett's code was way stronger.
Fett chose to take a very generous interpretation of the deal he made. It would not have been dishonorable for him to leave then, because he and Shand had already fought to protect the Child as they agreed. Especially since it was Din who called off the pursuit for fear that shooting down the Dark Troopers as they flew back was too risky to the Child.

He thought he could bypass the need for an honorable fight for the Darksaber just by telling Bo Katan "I yield" when she realized that wasn't the honorable way to do it. He's broken every code that he himself holds to, from violating bounty hunters guild rules to save Grogu to showing his face (for the same reason).
I would point out that Bo-Katan accepted Sabine yielding the Darksaber to her without a fight. But she would lose too much face doing it in front of Moff Gideon, while he's gleefully taunting her about her lack of legitimacy.

Gideon was very intentionally maneuvering to force her into taking a much more hardline interpretation of Darksaber ownership than she otherwise would; he's a complete snake like that, and it's definitely part of why he's so damn smug in that scene even though he thinks they're probably going to execute him at soonest convenience.
 

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Bit late to the party since I only had time to catch up today.

One thing I think hasn't really been touched on is that in most scenes, Din is actually the least honorable guy in the room. He fully expected Boba Fett to take off once he had his armor back but Fett's code was way stronger. He thought he could bypass the need for an honorable fight for the Darksaber just by telling Bo Katan "I yield" when she realized that wasn't the honorable way to do it. He's broken every code that he himself holds to, from violating bounty hunters guild rules to save Grogu to showing his face (for the same reason).

Din really doesn't have much of a code of honor to fall back on anymore, and has been eroding his own code since the first episode. I think he may have found something better in the form of morality rather than rigid ceremonial ethics though.

I suppose that's one way of looking at it, but I must respectfuly disagree. Din had this idealized vision of what being a Mandalorian really meant and without his Clan to reinforce those...admittedly extreme views he's now left to find out for himself what it means to be Mandalorian. He was admittedly a Nomad or essentially a Mandalorian version of a Japanese Ronin. He had his work, his creed and that was it.

Then he met Grogu, and he forms a near instant connection with him due to their similar circumstances. Suddenly he's questioning everything. It didn't help that his Clan and even other Mandalorians even encouraged this.

I have a different take on the Bobba Fett and Bo Katan situations and they are remarkably consistent with his views. Bobba made it clear he wasn't a Mandalorian in the way Din views them. But he does have a code he lives by. Din doesnt expect Bobba to live up to Dins view of what a Mandalorian is, that's an expectation he doesn't have. But Bobba surprises him by being true to his word, and thus proving he is Mandalorian. I say this because Din has been let down quite a lot even in the show when he went out searching for other Mandalorians and either came up empty, found pretenders or met Mandalorians with radically different views. He's learned to temper his expectations.

As for Bo Katan, this is an easy one to explain. He agreed to help her get the Dark Saber back but he made it clear his Priority was Grogu. Bo Katan fully acknowledged and even encouraged that. Din didn't want to fight Moff Gideon, he just wanted the child, but Gideon forced his hand. But Din didnt know the story of the Dark Saber and the moment he did he realized he was not worthy of that mantle. He did the only honorable thing he could think of and surrender it to Bo Katan; for he neither felt worthy of the Sword or the Responsibility that came with it, but also he gave his word to help her get it back. He realized that he fought for himself and his Clan but Bo Katan fought for their entire people, thus in his eyes that made her more worthy. But the Force clearly has different ideas.

That's why I think Season 3 is going to be the best in terms of his Growth. As he grows into the Leader the Mandalorians need, but one who is reluctant. Power and Responsibility are thus thrust upon him whether he likes it or not. Where as Bo Katan was one who sought power for her own ends...even if she had the best of intentions for her people. And we all know what happens to those who seek power in Star Wars.

The Force works in mysterious ways, even to those not sensitive to its energies.
 

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Bit late to the party since I only had time to catch up today.

One thing I think hasn't really been touched on is that in most scenes, Din is actually the least honorable guy in the room. He fully expected Boba Fett to take off once he had his armor back but Fett's code was way stronger. He thought he could bypass the need for an honorable fight for the Darksaber just by telling Bo Katan "I yield" when she realized that wasn't the honorable way to do it. He's broken every code that he himself holds to, from violating bounty hunters guild rules to save Grogu to showing his face (for the same reason).

Din really doesn't have much of a code of honor to fall back on anymore, and has been eroding his own code since the first episode. I think he may have found something better in the form of morality rather than rigid ceremonial ethics though.
And you know what is funny. The First Mandalorians were aliens that could not even wear a helmet if they tried. 😀



Yeah lots of luck slapping that Watch Helmet on the OG Mandos.😀
 

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And you know what is funny. The First Mandalorians were aliens that could not even wear a helmet if they tried. 😀



Yeah lots of luck slapping that Watch Helmet on the OG Mandos.😀
I'd actually like to see some nonhuman Mandos like we saw in a few comics and the EU indicated existed. Would a Mando Talz have I-shaped visor instead of a T for her four eyes? Could a Twi'lek Mandolorian have articulated plates like a lorica segmentatum across his Lekku?

And of course the finale can end only one way, Grogu returns... wielding the Darksaber as Mandalore the Adorable in his tiny, tiny Beskar armor with a winged Mando helmet to accommodate his ears.
 

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And you know what is funny. The First Mandalorians were aliens that could not even wear a helmet if they tried. 😀



Yeah lots of luck slapping that Watch Helmet on the OG Mandos.😀
I actually like the idea that Legends sorta inspires that the Mandalorian helmet is kinda 'elongated' originally to fit the head (or chin rather) of a Taung.



 

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Wow the awards and praise keeps coming in for The Mandalorian.


Last season it was third behind The Boys on Amazon Prime and HBO's Westworld but surpassed both this year in being most pirated.
 

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I'd have to hear a sample. They guy has a good range of voices, but I can't not hear Tony Stark until I hear a sample.
Watch Tropic Thunder and there you go, another voice

He definitely can do it. He has that voice range for sure. Or watch his Sherlock Holmes movies
 

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They already have Lars Mikkelsen voicing Thrawn, and have based illustrations (e.g. on the cover of at least one of the new Thrawn books) on his appearance. Why would they then get Bob Downey -- one of the most expensive actors they could possibly hire for the role -- to play Thrawn?

Even though it would be a huge stunt, I just don't see a way for that decision to pay off (in a literal sense; the additional costs would exceed any potential increase in profits).
 

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They already have Lars Mikkelsen voicing Thrawn, and have based illustrations (e.g. on the cover of at least one of the new Thrawn books) on his appearance. Why would they then get Bob Downey -- one of the most expensive actors they could possibly hire for the role -- to play Thrawn?

Even though it would be a huge stunt, I just don't see a way for that decision to pay off (in a literal sense; the additional costs would exceed any potential increase in profits).
Maybe he's doing for dirt-cheap? He can certainly afford to accept one or two roles that pay out peanuts, right?
 

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Maybe he's doing for dirt-cheap? He can certainly afford to accept one or two roles that pay out peanuts, right?
It's possible, but pretty unlikely. People do stuff like that when they're huge fans and just want to be in a certain production. I've never heard anything about Robert Downey being a huge SW fan.

(None of this is to say that I wouldn't want to see him in SW.)
 

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He and Jon have a close friendship as well
 

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They already have Lars Mikkelsen voicing Thrawn, and have based illustrations (e.g. on the cover of at least one of the new Thrawn books) on his appearance. Why would they then get Bob Downey -- one of the most expensive actors they could possibly hire for the role -- to play Thrawn?

Even though it would be a huge stunt, I just don't see a way for that decision to pay off (in a literal sense; the additional costs would exceed any potential increase in profits).
Yeah in all honesty Lars Mikkelson could probably do a pretty decent job of portraying Thrawn in live action as well to be honest. He certainly has the bearing for it... and he already has the voice.

And not going to lie, when someone mentioned his name first, I thought they were talking about his more famous older brother Mads.

But yeah, even if Mikkelson wasn't already perfectly appropriate for the role, having Robert Downey Jr show up in any Disney television series would be an almost Tom Cruise level distraction. Like if Mark Hamill's Luke Skywalker became a recurring character in any of these television series without being the main character. I think it'd be terribly deleterious for a show in the long term. Not to mention he could be a very big money hole if he becomes a recurring character.

That isn't to say Jon Favreau or Disney shouldn't think of having Robert Downey Jr show up in a Star Wars television series if the opportunity arose. I think having RDJ show up as a guest character could be pretty awesome actually. Like for one or two episodes. Kind of like what they did with Timothy Olyphant as Cobb Vanth.

But that would lead to the question... who exactly would RDJ play as a guest character for a few episodes? And why is Talon Karrde your first choice? :p
 

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Yeah in all honesty Lars Mikkelson could probably do a pretty decent job of portraying Thrawn in live action as well to be honest. He certainly has the bearing for it... and he already has the voice.
It's (unofficially) confirmed at this point that Mikkelson has been signed to play live action Thrawn for the Ahsoka TV series, and presumably any necessary cameos in other Disney Star Wars content.
 
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