Star Wars The Mandalorian

[ShadowArxxy]

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Din considers him a Mando, because he has Mando blood, where as Bo does not as just as that one man said, they don't see Fett as a Mando. She may hold that sentiment while those that Din were apart of and other fringe groups may consider them that. Din having basically been raised to be a bounty hunter once the Empire arose, see it differently. And that he is a clone, That other lady RUBS that one in HARD.

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It was actually Bo-Katan who brought up him being a clone, and Boba kinda provoked her by scoffing at the idea of taking Mandalore back.

But yes, it's pretty clear that different Mandalorian cultural/ideological factions have different takes on what constitutes appropriate Mandalorian behavior.

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An unrelated observation: the fact that the Dark Troopers assaulting the bridge stopped and switched back to their guns when Luke landed on the ship a level below, as well as their generally perfect marching coordination, is a pretty strong indicator that the DTs are tactically networked with each other, unlike B1s which clearly have no awareness of what other B1s see. The only B1s that had that kind of coordination were the centrally controlled ones that were unloaded from the MTTs during Phantom Menace, and we never see that kind of coordination from independently operating B1s.

 

[Zachowon]

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It was actually Bo-Katan who brought up him being a clone, and Boba kinda provoked her by scoffing at the idea of taking Mandalore back.

But yes, it's pretty clear that different Mandalorian cultural/ideological factions have different takes on what constitutes appropriate Mandalorian behavior.

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An unrelated observation: the fact that the Dark Troopers assaulting the bridge stopped and switched back to their guns when Luke landed on the ship a level below, as well as their generally perfect marching coordination, is a pretty strong indicator that the DTs are tactically networked with each other, unlike B1s which clearly have no awareness of what other B1s see. The only B1s that had that kind of coordination were the centrally controlled ones that were unloaded from the MTTs during Phantom Menace, and we never see that kind of coordination from independently operating B1s.

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oh yeah it was Bo. Still, she did kinda deserve that.

and yeah, I really can't wait for Mandalore to be a place again and have its people reunited as a strong group once again. Perhaps hunting down all the Beskar.

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didn't they make sure that did not happen because of what happend in TPM. Take out the control tower you take them all down?

 

[ShadowArxxy]

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didn't they make sure that did not happen because of what happend in TPM. Take out the control tower you take them all down?

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It's a little more complicated than that. The "security model" B1s that are seen throughout the beginning of the movie are clearly independently operating with no coordination, since the droids inside the hangar were totally unaware of the droids outside the hangar being attacked and killed by the Jedi. The "officer" B1s also make no sense whatsoever unless they're independently operating *and* have a higher-end droid brain than standard B1s. In some of the Legends material, these independently operating and/or smarter B1s were retconned to being "OOM" droids as opposed to B1, but this was used inconsistently and then rationalized by ret-retconning that the OOM was a subtype of B1 rather than a seperate predecessor model.

The B1s that were explicitly remotely controlled by the Droid Control Ship were only the ones deploying off the MTT racks. After the demonstrated vulnerability in TPM, the Federation ceased using this mode of operation entirely, and all B1s became independently operated; however, basic B1s pretty much had the cheapest and least capable droid brains available, hence their epic level stupidity.

Dark Troopers, obviously, are the opposite: they're top-of-the-line, state-of-the-art battle droids, so they have both highly capable droid brains *and* tactical interlinks.

 

[Zachowon]

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It's a little more complicated than that. The "security model" B1s that are seen throughout the beginning of the movie are clearly independently operating with no coordination, since the droids inside the hangar were totally unaware of the droids outside the hangar being attacked and killed by the Jedi. The "officer" B1s also make no sense whatsoever unless they're independently operating *and* have a higher-end droid brain than standard B1s. In some of the Legends material, these independently operating and/or smarter B1s were retconned to being "OOM" droids as opposed to B1, but this was used inconsistently and then rationalized by ret-retconning that the OOM was a subtype of B1 rather than a seperate predecessor model.

The B1s that were explicitly remotely controlled by the Droid Control Ship were only the ones deploying off the MTT racks. After the demonstrated vulnerability in TPM, the Federation ceased using this mode of operation entirely, and all B1s became independently operated; however, basic B1s pretty much had the cheapest and least capable droid brains available, hence their epic level stupidity.

Dark Troopers, obviously, are the opposite: they're top-of-the-line, state-of-the-art battle droids, so they have both highly capable droid brains *and* tactical interlinks.

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So...I was right for the most part.

And yes, I can tell these badass nearly unstoppable Dark Troopers are that damn good.

I would not mind the old school phase 3 that even jedi could not stop IIRC

 

[ShadowArxxy]

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So...I was right for the most part.

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Yes, I'm just dorky and detail obsessive about battle droids.

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I would not mind the old school phase 3 that even jedi could not stop IIRC

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The Phase I/II/III Dark Troopers from Dark Forces were supposed to be armored in lightsaber-resistant phrik metal, but this was purely fluff since you never got a lightsaber in that game.

Pershing describes these new Dark Troopers as "third generation" models and states that they're no longer suits, which I think means he's counting the Phase Zero DTs from Battlefront (which were cyborgs) as the first generation and the Phase III DTs from Dark Forces (which were battlesuits) as the second generation. He is clearly not counting Dark Forces' Phase I and Phase II models (which were droids), most likely because they were developmental prototypes rather than production models.

 

[Zachowon]

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Yes, I'm just dorky and detail obsessive about battle droids.

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The Phase I/II/III Dark Troopers from Dark Forces were supposed to be armored in lightsaber-resistant phrik metal, but this was purely fluff since you never got a lightsaber in that game.

Pershing describes these new Dark Troopers as "third generation" models and states that they're no longer suits, which I think means he's counting the Phase Zero DTs from Battlefront (which were cyborgs) as the first generation and the Phase III DTs from Dark Forces (which were battlesuits) as the second generation. He is clearly not counting Dark Forces' Phase I and Phase II models (which were droids), most likely because they were developmental prototypes rather than production models.

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Plus isn't all of that no longer canon?

 

[ShadowArxxy]

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Plus isn't all of that no longer canon?

The Disney reboot canon explicitly is about MCU-style mining and rebooting a lot of the good elements out of Legends, and Mandalorian in particular really revels in resurrecting and/or making references to old canon. Even Din's signature disruptor rifle is from the freaking Holiday Special.

 

[Zachowon]

The Disney reboot canon explicitly is about MCU-style mining and rebooting a lot of the good elements out of Legends, and Mandalorian in particular really revels in resurrecting and/or making references to old canon. Even Din's signature disruptor rifle is from the freaking Holiday Special.

I know! The thing i love about it is, we are getting good parts in good sfuff!

 

[ShadowArxxy]

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One piece of evidence that the Book of Boba Fett isn't just Season 3 of the Mandalorian is that BoBF is stated in the teaser to be coming December 2021, whereas Mando 3 has been stated to release Christmas 2021, which is a notable divergence from the beginning-of-December releases of Mando 1 and Mando 2.

This would, however, fit perfectly if BoBF is either a movie or a 2-3 part miniseries.

 

[Zachowon]

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One piece of evidence that the Book of Boba Fett isn't just Season 3 of the Mandalorian is that BoBF is stated in the teaser to be coming December 2021, whereas Mando 3 has been stated to release Christmas 2021, which is a notable divergence from the beginning-of-December releases of Mando 1 and Mando 2.

This would, however, fit perfectly if BoBF is either a movie or a 2-3 part miniseries.

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That is what I was thinking

 

[Husky_Khan]

The episode was pretty good. I didn't think I'd get bored watching stormtroopers getting massacred by the dozen but I kinda was. I think it started with the Robert Rodriguez directed episode with the Battle of Tython. It was neat watching the first time through, and Boba Fett smashing Imps into oblivion with his gaffi stick was great, but the gun blasterplay was pretty meh towards the end, especially with Mando and Fennec kinda standing in the open blasting away at dudes.

It was kind of formulaic when it happened over the next few episodes, but the setting and certain bits of each action scene helped spice up the endless blasting of hapless Stormtroopers. With this episode, there was more of the massacreing, but there were fun scenes with the fearsome female foursome, especially Cara, kicking ass in hand to hand combat.

Luke Skywalker showing up was both a surprise and did a great job in playing on the audiences false expectations. All of the hints were to Luke Skywalker, but it went against all of the 'realist' and 'pragmatic' instincts many savvy audience goers would have, after all we've all seen how myopic and lame producers have been (including at Disney) over featuring important movie characters in television series. It was a big quibble in Agents of Shield and became exceptionally onerous in the Marvel Netflix series where people couldn't even say the name 'Captain America' ('Flag Guy')and referred to the Chitauri Attack on New York City as 'the Event.'

But here we literally got Luke Skywalker kicking serious ass through the power of the force and advancements in anti-aging CGI technology.

BUT I do have one major complaint. I never got the female melee masterclass I was fully expected was going to happen between 'Comms Officer' and Cara Dune (Katy O'Brien vs. Gina Carano) or any of Mando's female fireteam sadly. It looks like she died ignominously trying to hide behind a console as the femme fatales stormed the bridge.

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Oh well, I can still keep hope alive for the Mud Planet Martial Arts Melee.

This season overall was better then the first one. It had a far stronger storyline throughout without quite the extent of the 'Episode of the Week' that we got with some of the First Season episodes. The only exception might've been when they were trapped with the Frog Lady on the Ice Planet. Plus it didn't have as weak an ending episode or two that the First Season did. It finished far stronger.

 

[Zachowon]

The episode was pretty good. I didn't think I'd get bored watching stormtroopers getting massacred by the dozen but I kinda was. I think it started with the Robert Rodriguez directed episode with the Battle of Tython. It was neat watching the first time through, and Boba Fett smashing Imps into oblivion with his gaffi stick was great, but the gun blasterplay was pretty meh towards the end, especially with Mando and Fennec kinda standing in the open blasting away at dudes.

It was kind of formulaic when it happened over the next few episodes, but the setting and certain bits of each action scene helped spice up the endless blasting of hapless Stormtroopers. With this episode, there was more of the massacreing, but there were fun scenes with the fearsome female foursome, especially Cara, kicking ass in hand to hand combat.

Luke Skywalker showing up was both a surprise and did a great job in playing on the audiences false expectations. All of the hints were to Luke Skywalker, but it went against all of the 'realist' and 'pragmatic' instincts many savvy audience goers would have, after all we've all seen how myopic and lame producers have been (including at Disney) over featuring important movie characters in television series. It was a big quibble in Agents of Shield and became exceptionally onerous in the Marvel Netflix series where people couldn't even say the name 'Captain America' ('Flag Guy')and referred to the Chitauri Attack on New York City as 'the Event.'

But here we literally got Luke Skywalker kicking serious ass through the power of the force and advancements in anti-aging CGI technology.

BUT I do have one major complaint. I never got the female melee masterclass I was fully expected was going to happen between 'Comms Officer' and Cara Dune (Katy O'Brien vs. Gina Carano) or any of Mando's female fireteam sadly. It looks like she died ignominously trying to hide behind a console as the femme fatales stormed the bridge.

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Oh well, I can still keep hope alive for the Mud Planet Martial Arts Melee.

This season overall was better then the first one. It had a far stronger storyline throughout without quite the extent of the 'Episode of the Week' that we got with some of the First Season episodes. The only exception might've been when they were trapped with the Frog Lady on the Ice Planet. Plus it didn't have as weak an ending episode or two that the First Season did. It finished far stronger.

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I was sad we did not get that fight either!!!

 

[Sailor.X]

Watches the season 2 finally of the show.................. Walks outside and runs around going....

SKWEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am very happy now.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

I think it's safe to say that Luke is in fact the son of Vader givin the kind of reaction we see from gidion. There was somthing satisfying about watcing that smug wannabe vader prefering to kill himself rather than face Luke.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

I think it's safe to say that Luke is in fact the son of Vader givin the kind of reaction we see from gidion. There was somthing satisfying about watcing that smug wannabe vader prefering to kill himself rather than face Luke.

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It's not entirely clear whether or not Moff Gideon specifically recognized Luke, as opposed to only recognizing that his trump card just got trumped.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Not a spoiler, but everyone did see the Post Credits stinger as well for the final episode right?

Cuz if you didn't, you should.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Not a spoiler, but everyone did see the Post Credits stinger as well for the final episode right?

Cuz if you didn't, you should.

it's weird seeing a post credit scene in star wars


also spoiler ahead

Dang bib got ugly even by his standards.

 

[Husky_Khan]

it's weird seeing a post credit scene in star wars


also spoiler ahead

Dang bib got ugly even by his standards.

Fortunately a cure was forthcoming for the terminal condition.

Also if Star Wars keeps making these series... we're probably going to get a prequel series then...

The Book of Bib Fortuna...

 

[SuperS4]

So...whatever happened to Bo's male teammate? Kinda weird how he just, vanished from existance.

Seemed kinda dumb. Unless it was purely for a "Girl power moment", which makes it really dumb. Since they could easily have had him go with Din and get slaughtered by a Dark Trooper just to show how powerful they were.

Because yes, Din getting tossed around made them look good. But also...made zero sense. Beskar can withstand blaster fire and lightsabers, ok. But his helmet getting smashed so hard it's denting the ship's hallways, and not scrambling Din's brain? We see them later able to dent blast doors, Din should have been dead after taking that many blows to the helmet.

So would have made more sense to have the male Mando from Bo's team go with him. Then when the one Dark Trooper gets out, have it kill him, or at least incapacitate him. Honestly, having him grab him by the helmet and crush the helmet would have really showed how powerful and dangerous they are.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Fortunately a cure was forthcoming for the terminal condition.

Also if Star Wars keeps making these series... we're probably going to get a prequel series then...

The Book of Bib Fortuna...

Eh I've always had a soft spot for adipose rex types. There is somthing intreaging about someone who is either so feared or so respected they don't have to move a muscle their subjects are more than happy to fight in thier name. course Large and in charge is always the best IE the protaganist/antaganist is lulled into a false sense of overconvidance thinking the guy is a blob...only to find the guy moves and hits like a mac truck.