United States The Left Can't Meme

[What's the sitch?]

The Jedi one is kinda right but they obviously meant didn't mean it that way. Yes, Sidous is right, the right does make laughable memes(as in meant to be laughed at) and they can include those things. They aren't supposed to be PSAs which is what the left keep making.

 

[Scottty]

No, but they think they'd want to.

More, I suspect, that they like to use zero-sum premises as a cudgel to guilt other people with, while at the same time using it to excuse their own shamelessly predatory behavior.
With generous helpings of what is essentially Insane Troll Logic.

"Everything in society is exploitation! When you go and buy food at a shop, you are exploiting the people who work there!"
"What? No dude, if anything they are exploiting me, by charging such a high price for -"
"Ah, but you agree to pay that price!"
"Well, I do need to eat in order to live."
"Exactly! So the food is of more value to you than the money you pay for it! So you are giving them something of less value in exchange for something of more value, and therefore every time you buy anything at a shop, you are committing theft!"

Okay, I've never seen one of them use exactly that argument, but a large part of their rhetoric does seem to consist on blaming ordinary people, and telling them they are bad, on pretzel-logic reasoning rather like that.

 

[Cherico]

More, I suspect, that they like to use zero-sum premises as a cudgel to guilt other people with, while at the same time using it to excuse their own shamelessly predatory behavior.
With generous helpings of what is essentially Insane Troll Logic.

"Everything in society is exploitation! When you go and buy food at a shop, you are exploiting the people who work there!"
"What? No dude, if anything they are exploiting me, by charging such a high price for -"
"Ah, but you agree to pay that price!"
"Well, I do need to eat in order to live."
"Exactly! So the food is of more value to you than the money you pay for it! So you are giving them something of less value in exchange for something of more value, and therefore every time you buy anything at a shop, you are committing theft!"

Okay, I've never seen one of them use exactly that argument, but a large part of their rhetoric does seem to consist on blaming ordinary people, and telling them they are bad, on pretzel-logic reasoning rather like that.

I think one of the big problems is that some people cant deal with the fact that life is kind of shit, that it will always be kind of shit and sometimes its no ones fault, its just that suffering is an inherent part of life.

 

[What's the sitch?]

"By the sweat of your brow will you have food to eat until you return to the ground from which you were made. For you were made from dust, and to dust you will return.”

Timeless wisdom that people keep forgetting, especially in this time of fiat currency and to a lesser degree "paper pusher" jobs and just being in meetings the entire day.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

"Everything in society is exploitation! When you go and buy food at a shop, you are exploiting the people who work there!"
"What? No dude, if anything they are exploiting me, by charging such a high price for -"
"Ah, but you agree to pay that price!"
"Well, I do need to eat in order to live."

there is two very simple solutions to this. Either A. Be as self-sufficient as possible, IE live as a wild man, find your own shelter, make your own close and use your own food source, or B. Form a tribal community where everyone knows each other and looks after each other without a catch. But the problem is I don't think any of these people know how to be self-sufficient just the basic needs (let alone advanced needs like medical care and defenses against predators) and they really don't know anyone with valuable skillsets The one time they did try to form a tribal community (CHAZ) it was a disastor.

I think one of the big problems is that some people cant deal with the fact that life is kind of shit, that it will always be kind of shit and sometimes its no ones fault, its just that suffering is an inherent part of life.

In their defense *shutters* I think the strive to alleviate suffering is as much a self-preservation mechanic than anything. I mean if there is no reason to want to prevent death and suffering, then what's to keep you from just laying on the road waiting to die or even just straight up kill yourself? After all "life is suffering and then you die."

I mean dude if people just resigned to the fact that that suffering is an inherent part of life your people would have never cried out to God nor would Moses have risen up to lead you, you would have likely remained slaves in Egypt and had likely gone extinct within a thousand years, and you wouldn't be with us having this conversation. Yes life will never be a perfect utopia but there is something to trying to strive to get as close to it as possible and having hope for a better tomorrow.

I mean I get it progressives suck but let's not just give up and go back to year zero because of them.

 

[Cherico]

No one likes suffering and I'm not talking about lying down and just reveling in it.

But I do think people need to be prepared for lifes downs, to try to prepare for things going to shit. That means having canned and dried food around in case the power goes off or there is an earth quake. It means having the ability to boil water, it means putting money aside for disasters.

Bad things will eventally happen to you, you try to prepare for it and deal with it as best you can. But expecting everything to be hunky dorry is a recipie for disaster.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

No one likes suffering and I'm not talking about lying down and just reveling in it.

But I do think people need to be prepared for lifes downs, to try to prepare for things going to shit. That means having canned and dried food around in case the power goes off or there is an earth quake. It means having the ability to boil water, it means putting money aside for disasters.

Bad things will eventally happen to you, you try to prepare for it and deal with it as best you can. But expecting everything to be hunky dorry is a recipie for disaster.

I'll agree with that but I think prepping while maybe having some slight things in common with the whole capitalism debate is sort of a side issue, No one is saying don't stock up as much as debating what the proper way of stocking up is.

 

[Terthna]

Standard Marxist line there. Notice the zero-sum thinking. They don't grasp the idea that two people can make a deal to mutual advantage.

They're not entirely wrong though. They're just making insane leaps in logic; that because people are being exploited, this means capitalism is evil and must be destroyed. Completely ignoring the fact that, for a number of reasons, the system this exploitation occurs within cannot rightly be called capitalistic.

 

[Bear Ribs]

One thing they consistently fail to notice is the concept of risk management. Some things are certain to make a low profit and some are highly risky and have a high profit. However, they look only at the profit side and conclude that the person who took the risk and made the profit is exploiting rather than winning their highly risky gamble. Generally speaking, owning or starting your own business is higher risk than being an employee. The overall expected payout is high if the business is successful, but the risk of failure is losing your job, your life savings, and maybe even your house, instead of risking losing your job and having to collect unemployment for a couple of months while you send out resumes for your next job.

Landlords are probably the biggest offender in this area, the entire business of running rentals is taking on the risk of housing people that aren't good enough for the bank to let them have a mortgage. They look on landlords and say "Look at this scum getting paid for nothing!" instead of "Look at this person taking a risky chance on a guy the banks won't give the time of day to!"

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

One thing they consistently fail to notice is the concept of risk management. Some things are certain to make a low profit and some are highly risky and have a high profit. However, they look only at the profit side and conclude that the person who took the risk and made the profit is exploiting rather than winning their highly risky gamble. Generally speaking, owning or starting your own business is higher risk than being an employee. The overall expected payout is high if the business is successful, but the risk of failure is losing your job, your life savings, and maybe even your house, instead of risking losing your job and having to collect unemployment for a couple of months while you send out resumes for your next job.

Landlords are probably the biggest offender in this area, the entire business of running rentals is taking on the risk of housing people that aren't good enough for the bank to let them have a mortgage. They look on landlords and say "Look at this scum getting paid for nothing!" instead of "Look at this person taking a risky chance on a guy the banks won't give the time of day to!"

Eh conservatives don't really help in that regard. If someone does I high risk venture and it fails we call them lazy selfish bumbs who weren't thinking about their responsibility to thier families. "Parents, spouses children, ect. When they succeed we become jealous.

 

[Bear Ribs]

Eh conservatives don't really help in that regard. If someone does I high risk venture and it fails we call them lazy selfish bumbs who weren't thinking about their responsibility to thier families. "Parents, spouses children, ect. When they succeed we become jealous.

Well, can't say you're wrong.

‘One hundred idiots make idiotic plans and carry them out. All but one justly fail. The hundredth idiot, whose plan succeeded through pure luck, is immediately convinced he is a genius’ - Iain M. Banks - Matter

I'm convinced a great percentage of the super-successful are the hundredth idiots of the world, and too many of them fail to realize how much luck got them there and believe it was their own force of will and indomitable genius that got them there.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Well, can't say you're wrong.

‘One hundred idiots make idiotic plans and carry them out. All but one justly fail. The hundredth idiot, whose plan succeeded through pure luck, is immediately convinced he is a genius’ - Iain M. Banks - Matter

I'm convinced a great percentage of the super-successful are the hundredth idiots of the world, and too many of them fail to realize how much luck got them there and believe it was their own force of will and indomitable genius that got them there.

And yet at the end of the day conservatives will still kiss there butts and give them political power over them, and "say thank you sir always a pleasure Sir." You can't carry yourself as a peon and then get upset that you are being treated as one

One of the fatal flaws of conservatives is that they tend to use tradition to justify both thier apathy and frustration.

I think that's why they are spinning thier wheels.

 

[LordsFire]

Any ideology will be abused by those who are only part of the 'movement' for selfish gain.

That doesn't automatically invalidate the ideology, though it can invalidate the credibility and integrity of the movement professing it.

 

[Bear Ribs]

And yet at the end of the day conservatives will still kiss there butts and give them political power over them, and "say thank you sir always a pleasure Sir." You can't carry yourself as a peon and then get upset that you are being treated as one

One of the fatal flaws of conservatives is that they tend to use tradition to justify both thier apathy and frustration.

I think that's why they are spinning thier wheels.

Yeah, there's a reason I'm not a conservative and instead belong to the "A pox on both your houses" party.

 

[JagerIV]

Eh conservatives don't really help in that regard. If someone does I high risk venture and it fails we call them lazy selfish bumbs who weren't thinking about their responsibility to thier families. "Parents, spouses children, ect. When they succeed we become jealous.

Example? Your chastizing Republicans for something I don't think I've really seen them do. Are we talking about enterpising drug dealers? Artists? Many "artists" are actually lazy selfish bumbs who don't want to do what's actually necessary to be successful. For example, making a living in arts requires 1) finding art that sells and 2) generally making quite a lot of it. Some people have gotten good, middle upper class living in comics book for example. Someone in comics or animation, especially they're golden age, required doing what sold, and doing a lot of it.

I have great respect for those do have the dedication, discipline, and skill to actually make a living as an artist. Artists who make a living are a small group compared to artists who do is as a passion after their day job. And they may be a minority compared to artists who get by bumbing off others.

Wanting to win the lottery, which some of these people pursuing it is, are lazy selfish bumbs. Betting your future on being a professional Basketball player if your not already some commination of highly motivated and talented is extreme folly.

Acurate estimations of peoples chances and merits is not bad.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Example? Your chastizing Republicans for something I don't think I've really seen them do. Are we talking about enterpising drug dealers? Artists? Many "artists" are actually lazy selfish bumbs who don't want to do what's actually necessary to be successful. For example, making a living in arts requires 1) finding art that sells and 2) generally making quite a lot of it. Some people have gotten good, middle upper class living in comics book for example. Someone in comics or animation, especially they're golden age, required doing what sold, and doing a lot of it.

I have great respect for those do have the dedication, discipline, and skill to actually make a living as an artist. Artists who make a living are a small group compared to artists who do is as a passion after their day job. And they may be a minority compared to artists who get by bumbing off others.

Wanting to win the lottery, which some of these people pursuing it is, are lazy selfish bumbs. Betting your future on being a professional Basketball player if your not already some commination of highly motivated and talented is extreme folly.

Acurate estimations of peoples chances and merits is not bad.

See when I was growing up it was "art and writing weren't real job" And "teaching was a job for those who couldn't cut it in real life."

If it didn't involve working with your hands and/or working for someone it wasn't really respected and it was a common mentality among the parents of my peers. I can't help but wonder where these people were while commies and socialist corporate hacks were doing there long march across the American institutions.

Keep in mind I'm from an Appalachian family and raised in KY.. Maybe things were different for you. Edit: I should note that things are starting to change a little now from what I can tell but it's a slow process and there is still very much this mentality of "Work harder not smarter."

 

[Bear Ribs]

This is seriously one of the worst formatted memes it has ever been my displeasure to see.

 

[Scottty]

This is seriously one of the worst formatted memes it has ever been my displeasure to see.

Said female teacher goes to jail, and no one objects to that.

 

[Morphic Tide]

Said female teacher goes to jail, and no one objects to that.

Yeah, it's almost like they don't understand that people might joke about wanting things they actually dislike.

 

[Zyobot]

Here's another one:

Jesus, they really can't stop with the Trump memes.