Star Trek The General Star Trek Thread - From TOS to Corporate Schenanigans
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Jaenera Targaryen
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Goes to show just how meaningless all the regulations and even the eventual ban on time travel tech is. Everything that can happen will and has happened, including the timelines caused by time travelers messing things up. I could even see Q smirking while sitting/lounging on the captain's chair before going "you didn't actually think the universe - or should I say multiverse? - is that limited, straightforward, or just plain boring, did you, mon capitaine? I've said it before a thousand times, and I'll say it again: OPEN YOUR MIND!"
Typhonis
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Hell, why didn't they take Riker's kid to the Baku planet and have the magic radiation cure him?
Jaenera Targaryen
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Either that, or Prime Directive! Forbids interference!
I mean, they forgot about one of the only episodes that got Star Trek a mainstream award so they could berate Picard about supposedly not knowing what having a family is like. They forgot that it's always been possible to use a transporter on a cloaked ship. They forgot many, many things. Why not forget about everything that happened in INS?
Typhonis
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Let's see there are at best a 1000 Baku? All are located in one region. Planets are huge places gee maybe set up shop on the opposite side of the planet. Besides Prime Directive does not apply. The Baku had warp drive they just gave it up.
Jaenera Targaryen
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That is the strict definition of the Prime Directive, and which would definitely not apply. However, I've since noticed that past a certain point, the Prime Directive also means 'anything that goes against nature's plan'. This goes back to ENT's bad episode, where Archer passively commits genocide by withholding a cure for a genetic disease that the Valakians were suffering from, because he decided to listen to Doctor Mengele...oh, sorry, Doctor Phlox, who said that 'nature has decided the Valakians must go extinct and the Menk take their place, and I have no right to interfere'.
Or, for that matter, the Federation similarly deciding that despite having a cure already complete, that the Andorians who were suffering from a similar genetic disease should be allowed to go extinct, because hey, nature's plan. That it was an Augment, you know, the people who were supposed to be following that line of reasoning, Doctor Bashir, who decided 'fuck this shit, I'm doing the right thing, Prime Directive be damned' who saved the Andorians is the height of irony. Unsurprisingly, Starfleet had him court-martialed...until the Federation elected an Andorian as president, who then pardoned Bashir, and told Starfleet to shut up, and sit down.
TLDR, the Prime Directive has since evolved in the meta past TOS as a politically-correct alternative name for Social Darwinism.
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Had Kirk been there he would have punched the ever loving shit out of Archer and given the cure to the Valakians. And while still there in the 22nd Century. He would have given sanctuary to that one Congenator that wanted assylum. And told both Archer and that race to fuck off. All the while offering Trip a position on the Enterprise 1701.
Jaenera Targaryen
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Speaking of Kirk-era characters, Khan Noonien Singh would be laughing his ass off that Bashir was the one who averted a genocide, when the Naturals are wary of him starting a genocide. He'd probably pat Bashir on the back, advise him that Bashir is who he wants and chooses to be, and that no matter what anyone else says, he is a superior Human, and not simply because of his altered genes.
All Bashir has to do is listen to the thankful Andorians to see it. And personally, while Bashir would be very uncomfortable getting a moment with Khan, he would agree that no matter how much it put him through, he always made the right decisions when it mattered.
Lord Sovereign
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The Prime Directive started out life as a “within reason” thing that any captain worth their salt knew was bendable when necessary. Alas that the writers seemed to forget that as the series went on.
Speaking of the Baku, I actually felt like the idea of Star Trek: Insurrection wasn’t too terrible, but they buggered up by making them too perfect (I like to call it ”The Na’vi effect”). If anything they should have been a thriving Iron Age civilisation spread across the planet (or at least their local region) that warred among itself. More like Ancient Greece than the Amish, essentially having to start again from scratch after the apocalypse that claimed their homeworld. They’d be a flawed but proud people that had a lot of interesting things to say about the universe.
Oh God, tell me about it. The Baku were so insufferably uppity for a race that wilfully chose to be primitive. They should have thanked their lucky stars it wasn’t the Dominion or Romulans who chanced upon them.
Speaking of the Baku, I actually felt like the idea of Star Trek: Insurrection wasn’t too terrible, but they buggered up by making them too perfect (I like to call it ”The Na’vi effect”). If anything they should have been a thriving Iron Age civilisation spread across the planet (or at least their local region) that warred among itself. More like Ancient Greece than the Amish, essentially having to start again from scratch after the apocalypse that claimed their homeworld. They’d be a flawed but proud people that had a lot of interesting things to say about the universe.
Typhonis
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This is something that makes no sense lore-wise. The Augment Wars happened in 1996. Yet in the 2370's people were still scared of Augments trying to take over...why? What happens if humans develop greater strength, speed, and reaction times naturally? What then would they be cast aside by baseline humans as unnatural?
With all the races in Star Trek that are physically stronger than humans. One would think they would be going whole hog on augmentation to level the playing field. We know and Augmented Human can fight a Pissed off Vulcan to a stand still. A regular human would get rag dolled by a calm Vulcan.
The going theory is the war scarred humanity into a collective PTSD that was self sustaining and taught to each generation to prevent anyone from doing it again.
Bassoe
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Those aren't the problems, that'd be that Augments are also smarter and more charismatic. Within days of waking up, Khan had managed to diplomancer a career military officer into leaving her entire life behind to join him as an outlaw and a few years later, was able to make sense of and effectively use cutting-edge experimental technology from over a century past his own time.
I think it was more she was Thristy for Khan. Than anything else. Trust me when a woman has the hots for you she will pull a lot of strings to get you to notice her.
To be super real, that was Picard LARPing some other dude's life. That wouldn't really do much of anything to build up Picard's confidence that he wouldn't be a shitty dad like his own dad, and to be fair, he did find out he fucked up his relationship with Beverly in the All Good Things anti-time future...
Sure, Picard definitely grew and improved as a person over the course of TNG, but long-term romantic relationships were never part of that improvement, to the point that it actually makes more sense that he had a crippling self-doubt issue in that area.
(Also not helping, the time he romanced a rando Lt. Commander on the Enterprise-D, making things awkward for everyone on the ship, resulting in him ending the relationship.)
The experience was real for him - he wasn't just larping.
Frankly I find it insulting that you would defend this action by Kurtzman and co, which was done solely to help tear down the character of Picard a little bit more by essentially helping them do it by coming up with this excuse for them. Picard had the experience of raising children and of having grandchildren, of losing friends he cared for and a wife he loved, and it left such an emotional impact on him that he kept the flute and that cloth through until the end of NEM at the very least. He retains all those memories, which also enables him to play that flute, incidentally. His later failures at romance (which were at least partly due to the fraternizing nature of them) and his continued daddy issues does not take away from that at all. Those memories were real to him.