The Eldar Craft worlds arrive in TNG Era ST

[The Whispering Monk]

That's...difficult to say. I'm betting the Eldar have the advantage in technology and power output. So on a ship for ship basis I think the Eldar win most fights. Planetary engagements will almost go entirely to the Eldar. Hell, the Klingons would LOVE to have fights against certain Eldar forces (Close combat weapons everywhere!!!)

What's really going to screw with the Feddies are the Psykers. Because the closest they've got are the Betazeds...and they aren't up to what the Eldar can do. Maybe the 'zeds can offensively strike at the Eldar or invade their minds, but that's...iffy. I'm pretty sure every Eldar has some resistance.

 

[Marduk]

What's really going to screw with the Feddies are the Psykers. Because the closest they've got are the Betazeds...and they aren't up to what the Eldar can do. Maybe the 'zeds can offensively strike at the Eldar or invade their minds, but that's...iffy. I'm pretty sure every Eldar has some resistance.

That would go very poorly for them. Eldar psychics generally do well against freaking daemons (natural selection FTW!), certainly better than imperial psykers, and the latter tend to take them very seriously. Many ST psychics might end up traumatized from poking around in an Eldar's memories... And that if the Eldar doesn't get pissed off about it. Which most probably would.

 

[Sailor.X]

Eldar tech is half psychic bullshit, and their escort and scout ships make a Sovereign class look small. Who is even going to try fight them? Anyone sane would rather go fight the Borg or something.
Their ship designs, besides being insanely huge by ST standards, would also be quickly recognized for having a philosophy behind them that's similar to Klingons and Romulans - stealth systems, and massive arrays of frontal weaponry.

Let's see. The Tholians, The Undine, The Borg, The Dominion, The Breen, That one godlike race that likes fucking around with starships. Heaven help them if the run into the Voth.

 

[Zachowon]

Let's see. The Tholians, The Undine, The Borg, The Dominion, The Breen, That one godlike race that likes fucking around with starships. Heaven help them if the run into the Voth.

The borg would be devastated by the Eldar, as would Dominion.
No idea who the Undine, the Tholians, or the Breen are

 

[Marduk]

Let's see. The Tholians, The Undine, The Borg, The Dominion, The Breen, That one godlike race that likes fucking around with starships. Heaven help them if the run into the Voth.

Not sure if half of these would even earn the honor of having their ships yeeted out of reality with the aid of a vortex torpedo, as horrified Starfleet officers try to figure out wtf is this, how is it possible, and what are the top 100 reasons why such weapons should be banned.

 

[Sailor.X]

The borg would be devastated by the Eldar, as would Dominion.
No idea who the Undine, the Tholians, or the Breen are

The Undine are Species 8472.

Not sure if half of these would even earn the honor of having their ships yeeted out of reality with the aid of a vortex torpedo, as horrified Starfleet officers try to figure out wtf is this, how is it possible, and what are the top 100 reasons why such weapons should be banned.

The Undine would give zero fucks about Eldar Tech level. They can yeet whole planets in one shot. The Voth would literally depower the Eldar Ships if they look at them wrong.

 

[Zachowon]

The Undine are Species 8472.


The Undine would give zero fucks about Eldar Tech level. They can yeet whole planets in one shot. The Voth would literally depower the Eldar Ships if they look at them wrong.

How would the voth do that?
And Eldar don't have planets and exrerminatis isn't enough to destroy a craftworld last I checked

 

[Sailor.X]

How would the voth do that?
And Eldar don't have planets and exrerminatis isn't enough to destroy a craftworld last I checked

The would start beaming away things like a fat kid plowing through cake.

The Big ship in the photo is not even their biggest ships. The Fortress ships are 134km in size. The Voth are basically a type 2 civilization in the Milky Way.

 

[Marduk]

The Undine would give zero fucks about Eldar Tech level. They can yeet whole planets in one shot.

Destroying planets? For Eldar that's "Congratulations, you are as impressive as the mon'keigh now, lol".

The Voth would literally depower the Eldar Ships if they look at them wrong.

That's a common Dark Eldar pirate trick.

The would start beaming away things like a fat kid plowing through cake.

The Big ship in the photo is not even their biggest ships. The Fortress ships are 134km in size. The Voth are basically a type 2 civilization in the Milky War.

So it's small craftworld sized...
That's the thing, Eldar are technically post-apocalyptic survivors of a type 3 civilization with space magic.

 

[Sailor.X]

Destroying planets? For Eldar that's "Congratulations, you are as impressive as the mon'keigh now, lol".

That's a common Dark Eldar pirate trick.

That's small craftworld sized.

Does the Eldar have tech that goes back nearly 65 million years? If not they should not fuck with the Voth. Can the Eldar summon and unending horde of Starships from another plain of existence. If not they should not fuck with the Undine.

 

[Zachowon]

The would start beaming away things like a fat kid plowing through cake.

The Big ship in the photo is not even their biggest ships. The Fortress ships are 134km in size. The Voth are basically a type 2 civilization in the Milky Way.

The smallest of ships in 40k that are used in space combat that arnt fighters are generally around a Km long.

Eldar craftworlfs, which are ships themselves.
Are uh..
Small ones are size of contenents and large ones are moons or bigger.

Does the Eldar have tech that goes back nearly 65 million years? If not they should not fuck with the Voth. Can the Eldar summon and unending horde of Starships from another plain of existence. If not they should not fuck with the Undine.

They were created by the old ones about 60 millions years ago.

 

[Marduk]

Does the Eldar have tech that goes back nearly 65 million years? If not they should not fuck with the Voth. Can the Eldar summon and unending horde of Starships from another plain of existence. If not they should not fuck with the Undine.

Time fuckery is doable but uncontrollable and as such, unadvisable in 40k for obvious reasons, but as far as it is doable in universe, kinda unknown in this specific case, Eldar space magic can handle time fuckery.
Other planes of existence? That's how their primary and secondary FTL work, with different ones, and their equivalent of cartels have built their crazy planet sized city of impossible geometry and war crimes in one of those on top of that.

 

[Sailor.X]

The smallest of ships in 40k that are used in space combat that arnt fighters are generally around a Km long.

Eldar craftworlfs, which are ships themselves.
Are uh..
Small ones are size of contenents and large ones are moons or bigger.

They were created by the old ones about 60 millions years ago.

So 5 million whole years younger than the Voth. That is still a big difference. For context only 10,000 years separate us from the Old Stone Age. And you want the Eldar to breach a 5 million year tech gap????

Time fuckery is doable but uncontrollable and as such, unadvisable in 40k for obvious reasons, but as far as it is doable in universe, kinda unknown in this specific case, Eldar space magic can handle time fuckery.
Other planes of existence? That's how their primary and secondary FTL work, with different ones, and their equivalent of cartels have built their crazy planet sized city of impossible geometry and war crimes in one of those on top of that.

The Undine can and will drown the Eldar in Planet Busting ships. Like I said don't fuck with the Undine. They are the Trek Mulitverses Space Hornet's nest.

 

[Marduk]

The Undine can and will drown the Eldar in Planet Busting ships. Like I said don't fuck with the Undine. They are the Trek Mulitverses Space Hornet's nest.

Again, "planet busting" is not so impressive to the higher end of 40k factions. Many Imperial ships loaded with the right kind of ordnance can be planet busting, some are such in standard by other means.
Eldar... look down on Imperials and their technology, and they aren't completely wrong.
Their equivalent of cartels is famous for nicking a star into another dimensions just to power their city there, and be dicks to the ex-star system's inhabitants while doing so.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

The Undine can and will drown the Eldar in Planet Busting ships. Like I said don't fuck with the Undine. They are the Trek Mulitverses Space Hornet's nest.

To me, Trek always has the same problem DC has. Everything is stupid powerful so they have to keep creating stupidly ridiculous powerful things to oppose the Trekies. It's gotten real dumb.

To me, the Undine have never really been a thing, and neither have the Voth. The only time I saw the Undine was somewhere in Enterprise and that was it. I've never heard of the Voth til you mentioned them @Sailor.X Why would the Undine or Voth give a rat's ass if the Eldar start curb stomping ST polities?

 

[Zachowon]

So 5 million whole years younger than the Voth. That is still a big difference. For context only 10,000 years separate us from the Old Stone Age. And you want the Eldar to breach a 5 million year tech gap????


The Undine can and will drown the Eldar in Planet Busting ships. Like I said don't fuck with the Undine. They are the Trek Mulitverses Space Hornet's nest.

I said we know roughly 60 million is when they had the largest war they have ever faced at thier peak.

They arnt even at thier peak now and are still powerful.

We don't know how old just know they are only a little younger then the Necrons

 

[Husky_Khan]

This is like the inverse of a 40K discussion where you inject some random faction or whatever into Warhammer 40K (say the Yuuzhang Vong or something) and then everyone comes out of the woodwork stating how Chaos/Imperium/Orks/Tyranids/Necrons etc would ROLFSTOMP them because there is literally no possible way to fathom the perpetual existence of a minor race of not part of the established canon in said franchise even though said franchise is often rife with such things.

Why hasn't the Borg wiped out the Voth? Why haven't the Tyranids nommed the Tau into oblivion? Oh maybe Species 8472 will launch a Crusade against the Voth which will prevent the Krenim from taking over the Quadrant unless the Douwd can stop them!

*spins around in a chair until dizzy*

 

[Sailor.X]

To me, Trek always has the same problem DC has. Everything is stupid powerful so they have to keep creating stupidly ridiculous powerful things to oppose the Trekies. It's gotten real dumb.

To me, the Undine have never really been a thing, and neither have the Voth. The only time I saw the Undine was somewhere in Enterprise and that was it. I've never heard of the Voth til you mentioned them @Sailor.X Why would the Undine or Voth give a rat's ass if the Eldar start curb stomping ST polities?

They mostly want to get left alone. They only would get involved it the Eldar for some reason tried to fuck with them. They would regret fucking with them soon afterwards.

Time fuckery is doable but uncontrollable and as such, unadvisable in 40k for obvious reasons, but as far as it is doable in universe, kinda unknown in this specific case, Eldar space magic can handle time fuckery.
Other planes of existence? That's how their primary and secondary FTL work, with different ones, and their equivalent of cartels have built their crazy planet sized city of impossible geometry and war crimes in one of those on top of that.

The Undine greatly outnumber the Eldar. We are talking about a whole other universe worth of beings. And a population that are crazy powerful.

 

[Zachowon]

The Eldar will be leaving everyone alone except for the Corsairs because space pirates.
Now, take into account that the Farseers can see what someone is going to do

 

[Sailor.X]

The Eldar will be leaving everyone alone except for the Corsairs because space pirates.
Now, take into account that the Farseers can see what someone is going to do

Then I predict a lot of dead Corsairs.