Star Wars The Ahsoka Show

[Captain X]

*a critic admits they haven't watched something for themselves but are instead going off of what others they consider to be reliable have said*

fanbois: "How dare you criticize something you haven't even watched for yourself!? Just sit down and shut up unless you're going to bother watching it for yourself!"

*a critic has watched the show for themselves*

fanbois: "You went into it wanting to hate it and didn't give it a fair chance! Stop nitpicking the show I like!"

Yeah, no, fuck off with that shit already. Unless you can prove Critical Drinker and his friends are just lying about the show, I don't want to hear any complaints about someone being critical of a show they haven't watched for themselves if they're basing it on what others who have watched it have said. The entire reason people watch critics is to determine if something is worth watching for themselves, so you can hardly complain when someone says they aren't going to watch a show based on what a critic has said unless that critic is lying.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

*a critic admits they haven't watched something for themselves but are instead going off of what others they consider to be reliable have said*

fanbois: "How dare you criticize something you haven't even watched for yourself!? Just sit down and shut up unless you're going to bother watching it for yourself!"

*a critic has watched the show for themselves*

fanbois: "You went into it wanting to hate it and didn't give it a fair chance! Stop nitpicking the show I like!"

Yeah, no, fuck off with that shit already. Unless you can prove Critical Drinker and his friends are just lying about the show, I don't want to hear any complaints about someone being critical of a show they haven't watched for themselves if they're basing it on what others who have watched it have said. The entire reason people watch critics is to determine if something is worth watching for themselves, so you can hardly complain when someone says they aren't going to watch a show based on what a critic has said unless that critic is lying.

Ok, so I'll try to give a bit of my reasoning for my snipping toward @DarthOne as my reasoning is quite a bit different than Bacle's. I've gotten to the point where I've lost my patients with this whole political culture war and I've noticed a pattern with many within the "Fandom Menace" and many other "Anti-Woke" reviewers is that they'll swear up and down how something is woke and how people who enjoy these things are also woke, yet they still are subscribed to these subscriptions AND watch these shows/movies just to reconfirm how woke the show is and how you should hate it for X Y & Z. The problem is these companies don't care WHY you are viewing the show. Whether you legit like the show or you're just watching the show ironically just to reconfirm how awful it is, these companies stilkl have your eyeballs and money.
from what I can tell we've suffered 3 Ls due to hate-watching Velma (Which is getting a 2nd season) She-Hulk (Also getting a second season) and Barbie (Which made box-office bank) was it hated? yes, but if nothing else it proved to these companies that "Controversy sells" The Hate-Watching did nothing except give the woke corporations and some youtube revisers some sweet Controversy Cash. Hence why I can't help but wonder if a grift is involved.

On a more personal level I've only recently come to realize how much I've let these reviewers (and frankly twitter and the like in general) have jaded me and my ability to enjoy things. When TMNT Mutant Mayhem came out I decided to bite the bullet and ignore the Anti-SJW critics and listen to word of mouth, and what I got was the film was really good. So I bought a ticket. Even with all the controversy surrounding Black April, I had an absolute blast from start to finish and I don't think I went 5 mins without grinning like a little kid again. Even more of a shock I actually liked April to the point I was able to completely ignore the color of her skin.

There is also the Super Mario Bros movie another film I enjoyed despite some internet critics attempts to call the movie woke because peach was a "Girl Boss." and a third movie I watched called "A haunting in Venice" since I've stopped listening to critics, I've found myself actually able to enjoy movies and shows again.

and this is frankly making me question the validity of the whole "Anti-woke critic thing" at best it's made little to no headway in terms of actually turning people against Hollywood beyond what Hollywood has done themselves, and at worst it's actively making things worse by spreading negativity (Actual negativity not the SJW's idea of negativity) while still supporting hollywood through hate-watching and reviwing all for the sake of a few clicks. The people who seem to be the ones that are actively making a difference and hurting companies like Disney are not the ones paying and watching for a film/show while shouting how woke it is while collecting click revenue, it's the people voting with their feet, thier eyes and thier mouths I belive it was razorfist (as much as I dislike many of his takes) who said the best way to defeat wokies was to simply not give them attention and let them fall into obscurity. So again, watch what you like, don't support what you don't like and let the chips fall where they may. Your actions say and do a whole lot more than your words. That's my take anyway.

 

[Bacle]

*a critic admits they haven't watched something for themselves but are instead going off of what others they consider to be reliable have said*

fanbois: "How dare you criticize something you haven't even watched for yourself!? Just sit down and shut up unless you're going to bother watching it for yourself!"

*a critic has watched the show for themselves*

fanbois: "You went into it wanting to hate it and didn't give it a fair chance! Stop nitpicking the show I like!"

Yeah, no, fuck off with that shit already. Unless you can prove Critical Drinker and his friends are just lying about the show, I don't want to hear any complaints about someone being critical of a show they haven't watched for themselves if they're basing it on what others who have watched it have said. The entire reason people watch critics is to determine if something is worth watching for themselves, so you can hardly complain when someone says they aren't going to watch a show based on what a critic has said unless that critic is lying.

Call me old fashioned, but I think if you are going to take the time to shit on something, without even adding a personal take (which Darth did not due at first, just reposted someone else stuff from reddit), you should watch it for yourself first, not go to critics first.

Maybe it's that I don't knee-jerk hate anything that comes out of Disney, which Darth and a lot of nerds seem to treat as a cultural touch stone.

I'm getting real tired of being insulted and shamed for liking stuff Disney puts out simply because it's Disney doing it, regardless of quality, and that's what the whole 'memberberries' concept implies.

Remember where that meme originated, and why; it's literally saying liking Disney/Ahsoka is as delusional as the South Park parody of the election of Trump and the aftermath of that.

 

[Captain X]

And I've gone through this shit more than once when it came to Star Trek, well before anyone was worried about anything being "woke." And then again and again with so many other franchises. I had that stereotypical argument I posted more than once myself. In the end it reminds me of a meme I found of a guy standing on a table, squatting over another guy's dinner plate with his pants down around his ankles, scolding the other guy by asking him how he can say it's shit before he's even seen it. I am so fucking tired of what I see as fanboi gaslighting.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

I am so fucking tired of what I see as fanboi gaslighting.

and I'm getting tired of what I see as influencer rage-farming.*shrug* the fire has just burned out.

 

[Captain X]

Am I one of these "infuencers" now? Do tell.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Am I one of these "infuencers" now? Do tell.

Do you go out of your way to find places to talk about how much you hate X? If no, then you're fine.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

*a critic admits they haven't watched something for themselves but are instead going off of what others they consider to be reliable have said*

fanbois: "How dare you criticize something you haven't even watched for yourself!? Just sit down and shut up unless you're going to bother watching it for yourself!"

*a critic has watched the show for themselves*

fanbois: "You went into it wanting to hate it and didn't give it a fair chance! Stop nitpicking the show I like!"

Yeah, no, fuck off with that shit already. Unless you can prove Critical Drinker and his friends are just lying about the show, I don't want to hear any complaints about someone being critical of a show they haven't watched for themselves if they're basing it on what others who have watched it have said. The entire reason people watch critics is to determine if something is worth watching for themselves, so you can hardly complain when someone says they aren't going to watch a show based on what a critic has said unless that critic is lying.

Seconding this.

"X is shit, I didn't even watch it"
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO WATCH IT TO HAVE AN OPINION ON IT, WHAT'S NEXT, TELLING ME YOU DON'T LIKE EATING SHIT WITHOUT HAVING EATEN IT FIRST!?

"X is shit, I watched the whole thing and I was let down"
Whoah, you watched the WHOLE thing and was still let down? Why would you keep watching it if it was so bad huh? Seems like you're just a HATER who really likes the show on the inside.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I also like the idea that you have to pay money to have opinions on things, last time I checked I can't get a refund if I don't like the show. And the alternative is illegal (piracy).

Imagine having to pay money to get your car broken, and not being able to refund it lmao.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Seconding this.

"X is shit, I didn't even watch it"
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO WATCH IT TO HAVE AN OPINION ON IT, WHAT'S NEXT, TELLING ME YOU DON'T LIKE EATING SHIT WITHOUT HAVING EATEN IT FIRST!?

"X is shit, I watched the whole thing and I was let down"
Whoah, you watched the WHOLE thing and was still let down? Why would you keep watching it if it was so bad huh? Seems like you're just a HATER who really likes the show on the inside.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I also like the idea that you have to pay money to have opinions on things, last time I checked I can't get a refund if I don't like the show. And the alternative is illegal (piracy).

Imagine having to pay money to get your car broken, and not being able to refund it lmao.

I see it more as this

Day 1

"The Food is crap! the restaurant is crap! the owner is crap!"

Day 2

"The Food is crap! the restaurant is crap! the owner is crap!"

Day 3

"The Food is crap! the restaurant is crap! the owner is crap!"

*57 days later*

Day 60

"The Food is crap! the restaurant is crap! the owner is crap!"

We get it already! You hate the product, and you hate the people behind the product and that's fine but after a while I'd think it'd be better just to drive past the restaurant. I've stopped talking about the ST so much for example because frankly I don't know what can be said at this point that hasn't already been said. I just don't acknowledge it unless I'm writing a fanfiction specifically to rewrite it. Same with the book of Boba Fett, same with nearly all of Disney's live action remakes,

 

[Husky_Khan]

*a critic admits they haven't watched something for themselves but are instead going off of what others they consider to be reliable have said*

fanbois: "How dare you criticize something you haven't even watched for yourself!? Just sit down and shut up unless you're going to bother watching it for yourself!"

*a critic has watched the show for themselves*

fanbois: "You went into it wanting to hate it and didn't give it a fair chance! Stop nitpicking the show I like!"

Yeah, no, fuck off with that shit already. Unless you can prove Critical Drinker and his friends are just lying about the show, I don't want to hear any complaints about someone being critical of a show they haven't watched for themselves if they're basing it on what others who have watched it have said. The entire reason people watch critics is to determine if something is worth watching for themselves, so you can hardly complain when someone says they aren't going to watch a show based on what a critic has said unless that critic is lying.

What criticisms of the show has DarthOne actually presented in this thread beyond "member berries" that's substantial enough to engage with in discussion?

He posted a video but didn't actually draw any arguments from it.

Other people, including me, have criticized the show and stating why beyond memes, trolling and YouTube video links why we thought the show was mid or trash or somewhere in between and that hasn't been "attacked" like DarthOnes behavior on this thread. One can imagine there's a reason for that.

The amount of people defending what has basically been substanceless posting (in regards to the show itself) is impressive.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

I also like the idea that you have to pay money to have opinions on things, last time I checked I can't get a refund if I don't like the show. And the alternative is illegal (piracy).

Youtube man, you can essentially watch around 60-75% of an episode without giving Disney a penny if you have an adblocker.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

I see it more as this

Day 1

"The Food is crap! the restaurant is crap! the owner is crap!"

Day 2

"The Food is crap! the restaurant is crap! the owner is crap!"

Day 3

"The Food is crap! the restaurant is crap! the owner is crap!"

*57 days later*

Day 60

"The Food is crap! the restaurant is crap! the owner is crap!"

We get it already! You hate the product, and you hate the people behind the product and that's fine but after a while I'd think it'd be better just to drive past the restaurant. I've stopped talking about the ST so much for example because frankly I don't know what can be said at this point that hasn't already been said. I just don't acknowledge it unless I'm writing a fanfiction specifically to rewrite it. Same with the book of Boba Fett, same with nearly all of Disney's live action remakes,

That's fine and dandy when that crummy place down the street sells shit food and is owned by an asshole.
But what happens when EVERY restaurant is crap and it's owner is crap? What then?

I can't just make my own restaurant, I'm a poor bastard, nor do I know how to make a restaurant.
But I can confidently say I know when food is good, and when it is not!

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

That's fine and dandy when that crummy place down the street sells shit food and is owned by an asshole.
But what happens when EVERY restaurant is crap and it's owner is crap? What then?

I can't just make my own restaurant, I'm a poor bastard, nor do I know how to make a restaurant.
But I can confidently say I know when food is good, and when it is not!

that's when you learn to cook at home. Also you need to ask yourself what kind of food you are looking for. Chances are you may be able to find some classically recipes.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

that's when you learn to cook at home. (Which I am trying to do IRL)

In your analogy that would equate to making my own sci-fi shows. Or specifically Star Wars.
I...Wish I could do that, but I really cannot.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

In your analogy that would equate to making my own sci-fi shows. Or specifically Star Wars.
I...Wish I could do that, but I really cannot.

fanfiction, the old films, The libraries worth of EU, or if absolutely all else fails find a new series to get into. All I know is that what we've been doing hasn't achieved anything and there gets to the point where after you are anger for so long there is nothing left but emptiness and bitterness and that is not how I want to live the rest of my life nor do I want to be around those kinds of people and influences.

 

[Captain X]

What criticisms of the show has DarthOne actually presented in this thread beyond "member berries" that's substantial enough to engage with in discussion?

Just because you don't like the substance, doesn't mean it isn't there.

He posted a video but didn't actually draw any arguments from it.

Is there something wrong with posting a video with arguments you happen to agree with?

The amount of people defending what has basically been substanceless posting (in regards to the show itself) is impressive.

First, it's only substanceless in your opinion. Second, the reason people are jumping to his defense is because your arguments have amounted to shouting down someone else's criticism and sounds all too familiar to some of us who have been there ourselves.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Just because you don't like the substance, doesn't mean it isn't there.


Is there something wrong with posting a video with arguments you happen to agree with?


First, it's only substanceless in your opinion. Second, the reason people are jumping to his defense is because your arguments have amounted to shouting down someone else's criticism and sounds all too familiar to some of us who have been there ourselves.

What textual arguments or criticism has DarthOne put forth in this thread beyond "memberberries" and "Disney bad?"

 

[Captain X]

What textual arguments or criticism has DarthOne put forth in this thread beyond "memberberries" and "Disney bad?"

His thoughts on the reasons behind the memberberries and Disney's use of them. Like I said, you may not like the substance, but it's there, and all you're doing amounts to whining because you don't like what he said about a show you like. That's fine and all, but if all you're going to do amounts to the kind of bullshit I've heard basically any time information came out about a development I didn't like, I'm going to say something about it, too. You are hardly immune to criticism yourself, you know.

 

[Husky_Khan]

His thoughts on the reasons behind the memberberries and Disney's use of them. Like I said, you may not like the substance, but it's there, and all you're doing amounts to whining because you don't like what he said about a show you like. That's fine and all, but if all you're going to do amounts to the kind of bullshit I've heard basically any time information came out about a development I didn't like, I'm going to say something about it, too. You are hardly immune to criticism yourself, you know.

His thoughts behind memberries has been brought up. "Disney Bad. Filoni Bad etc" It was in his first post in the thread before anyone saw it apparently (or at least talking about it).

What particular substantial thoughts behind memberries are you thinking of and how do they apply to Ahsoka specifically?

Feel free to quote the precise lines that would foment intelligent discussion (as opposed to the entire post like you typically do ).

It might be challenging since his first two.posts were one liners and after the White Knighting defense of him he just posted a Critical Drinker video but maybe there's some really incisive thoughts behind memberries everyone missed.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

You are hardly immune to criticism yourself, you know

Do you know how many times people like me have been called a shill, a sheep, a seal, an NPC, woke all because we haven't hated something?!?