Doomsought
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It is fairly common to re-use a tank chassis for other roles by swapping out the turret for something else.
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At this point it is no longer a MBT, it is a needlessly heavily armored support vehicle on the chassis of a MBT. More likely one would use a similar chassis as for other light artillery or support vehicles - something like Bradley or Stryker one.
Speaking of anti-drone, US Army is already way ahead of you in the more optimal variant, namely resurrecting the Bradley Linebacker with an anti-drone spin.
Bradleys are now fitted with heat-seeking anti-drone missiles
The Army is arming Bradley Fighting Vehicles with heat-seeking Stinger air defense missiles to give the infantry carriers an improved ability to track and destroy enemy air threats such as drones, helicopters and low-flying aircraft.Most curr…
www.wearethemighty.com
And then there is this:
Stryker to Receive Microwave Counter Drone Swarm Weapon
General Dynamics will be collaborating with Epirus to integrate the Leonidas high-power microwave weapon onto Strykers.
www.thedefensepost.com
Looks like GD are wanting in on the action
Oh I know and I love it.
The U.S. actually never had that round, and again, it wasn't available until 1982, making it a *far later* "solution" than the Sheridan which was developed in the 1960s.
Oh inknow I know.
I again, was just being a smartass.
Agent23
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So, some Bulgarian Expat in Canada's armored vehicle company is apparently building up its production capabilities here and is trying to sell us some armored dumptruck:
Batrix2070
RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
Looking at what keeps Bulgaria in line, it would probably be better to introduce something new and better.
Agent23
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Like?
That Rila 8&8 does strike me as a potentially excellent replacement for the ex-Soviet BRDM-2s and BTR-60s that Bulgaria still uses. However, it's likely to be considerably more expensive than the globally established Piranha / LAV / Stryker, and cost is a major concern for the ongoing modernization of the Bulgarian military.
GROGNARD
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...meh. It looks like an embiggened LAV-25A2. Bigger doesnt always mean better.
Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
honestly if you want to add drones or missiles to a tank bolting their launchers to the side of the turret ala the TOW launcher of the bradley probably makes a lot more sense than using the gun for the task
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Agent23
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Yeah, as I said, it looks like an armored dumptruck....meh. It looks like an embiggened LAV-25A2. Bigger doesnt always mean better.
Frankly I would be OK buying them if these guys can peddle them to other EU countries and build them here, so that we can recoup some of the costs and get more jobs, that would mean that there would be more demand outside of Bulgaria than within it for these things.
The Spaniards might be willing to buy some, since the weapons package is their project already.
Aaron Fox
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Not really, unless those missiles are basically anti-air cluster munitions, they're only good for larger drones. For the smaller drones? You use guns, and preferably guns with HEPF or AHEAD ammunition (so anything 30mm and larger).
Please note that the LAV-25 and other larger APCs/IFVs are that way due to design constraints. For example, the LAV-25 and its 'family' are designed for amphibious and river crossing operations, and that requires a hull form that tends to be considered 'large'. The Bradley is the way it is due to the TOW launcher....meh. It looks like an embiggened LAV-25A2. Bigger doesnt always mean better.
Morphic Tide
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Alternatively, instead of the clusterfuck of gun-launched missiles, you can bolt on a pod of micro-missiles that can be fired *as needed* instead of mandatory all-or-nothing or a mortar that can have far simpler terminally-guided and/or rocket-boosted munitions than demanded of a proper gun-launched missile with much less recoil.
He's talking "the gun", as in the main gun, as in the thing that starts at 120mm these days but nobody's taken 140mm all that seriously. That is not enough for any serious drone, and it's a giant clusterfuck and a half to use the thing for anti-air work because of elevation limits. Cheap and easy and low recoil is the way to go, a 30mm or bigger secondary armament between the main gun and the heavy machine gun is going to be none of those.
BF110C4
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I remember that part of the MBT-70 design had a 20mm coaxial gun to deal with infantry, LAVs and other soft targets as to not waste main gun ammo, the BMP-1 and other vehicles carrying antitank missiles made the designers realize that regardless of overkill the tanker would use the main gun to deal with those threats at max range so the idea was dropped.
But yeah, any kind of secondary autocannon for AA work is going to be impractical due to the required gun elevation vs size of the turret, not to mention the targeting systems required for locking on small, and relatively cold aerial targets such as drones vs land vehicles. Frankly the ideal solution would be dedicated AA gun-missile vehicles both tracked and wheeled to support combat formations, but is too expensive and resource intensive to be done without some impressive evolution of the current doctrine and related budget.
But yeah, any kind of secondary autocannon for AA work is going to be impractical due to the required gun elevation vs size of the turret, not to mention the targeting systems required for locking on small, and relatively cold aerial targets such as drones vs land vehicles. Frankly the ideal solution would be dedicated AA gun-missile vehicles both tracked and wheeled to support combat formations, but is too expensive and resource intensive to be done without some impressive evolution of the current doctrine and related budget.
paulobrito
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Looks at the initial designs/mockups of the StrV 2000
140mm main gun and secondary 40mm against light vehicles and helis (and other low flight targets).
It's called a RWS.
Next Generation M1 Abrams Tank Teased By General Dynamics
Promotional materials provide glimpses of a new version of the M1 Abrams main battle tank.
www.thedrive.com
Yeah...
Clearly a science fiction vehicle.
paulobrito
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Also, clearly science-fiction ones. Tracked and Wheeled with both gun and missile. Are done by the 'other side', but the argument stands.
