Tanks and other Armoured Vehicles Image thread.

[PsihoKekec]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7r0CSsoS5HeCjkJX2ADwlg/videos

Youtube channel with simulations of effects of various AP rounds on tank armour

One example:

 

[Carrot of Truth]

Interesting tank, Apparently its based on the Leopard 2 hull but with a totally different turret and a 130mm main gun.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Note that the French have also demonstrated their equivalent of the KF51 Panther, bringing back the 140mm testbed they had back in the day.

The French argue that the 140mm exceeds current gun performance by 70% or more while not being significantly *more* of a burden than the 130mm, since both guns require new turrets and autoloaders, versus the 130mm having only a 50% advantage. The Germans, conversely, argue that 50% is the exact minimum improvement specified for the joint next-generation tank program, and the 130mm is the smallest gun that delivers that.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

The French argue that the 140mm exceeds current gun performance by 70% or more while not being significantly *more* of a burden than the 130mm, since both guns require new turrets and autoloaders, versus the 130mm having only a 50% advantage. The Germans, conversely, argue that 50% is the exact minimum improvement specified for the joint next-generation tank program, and the 130mm is the smallest gun that delivers that.

This is why joint programs rarely ever go anywhere.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

This is why joint programs rarely ever go anywhere.

At this point these are rival concept demonstrators aimed at winning a joint contract, not a dispute over design criteria.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

At this point these are rival concept demonstrators aimed at winning a joint contract, not a dispute over design criteria.

This is the same sort of nonsense that killed the US West German joint program.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

This is the same sort of nonsense that killed the US West German joint program.

Having rival designs compete for the contract is the entire point, and right now they're not even in the opening stage; these demonstrators are basically just prequels.

 

[ATP]

140mm is better,becouse is bigger,and bigger is always more cool.Not mention,that french project always would be more cool then german.Becouse it is french,you knew!

 

[paulobrito]

Bigger has the 'small' problem that you can carry less ammo. Like everything else, is a case of compromises.

 

[ATP]

Bigger has the 'small' problem that you can carry less ammo. Like everything else, is a case of compromises.

Of course.Swedish would-be-tank with 140m gun was supposed to take 29 rounds - but it had coaxial 40mm with 200 rounds,too.
But - with smart ammo you could afford to have less of it.And you could be sure,that you do not need to fire twice at the same target.

P.S and french products must be better,RIGHT? if you do not agree,people in Paris would mock you!

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Of course.Swedish would-be-tank with 140m gun was supposed to take 29 rounds - but it had coaxial 40mm with 200 rounds,too.
But - with smart ammo you could afford to have less of it.And you could be sure,that you do not need to fire twice at the same target.

The modified 140mm LeClerc holds 31 rounds of ammunition, versus 40 rounds for a standard 120mm-armed LeClerc.

The Panther KF51, on the other hand, reportedly carries 20 "ready" rounds of 130mm and an unknown number of additional non-ready rounds.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

So...how long does it take to make 'ready' rounds from 'non-ready' rounds? What do you need to do that? Why would I want to?

 

[ShadowArxxy]

So...how long does it take to make 'ready' rounds from 'non-ready' rounds? What do you need to do that? Why would I want to?

In context, "ready" rounds are those in the autoloader magazine, while non-ready rounds are those stored elsewhere.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Ok, that makes more sense than what I was thinking!

 

[The Whispering Monk]

In context, "ready" rounds are those in the autoloader magazine, while non-ready rounds are those stored elsewhere.

Does the crew have to leave the tank in order to make the extra rounds 'ready'?

 

[Carrot of Truth]

Bigger has the 'small' problem that you can carry less ammo. Like everything else, is a case of compromises.

That and these tanks will start getting ridiculously heavy to the point they will be incapable of crossing any bridges.

 

[Zachowon]

Does the crew have to leave the tank in order to make the extra rounds 'ready'?

No. It is usually stored in the hull

 

[paulobrito]

But you need to move the tanks to an 'out of the way' place to do that.

 

[Marduk]

Not really, it just means that the functional rate of fire will fall until it is done.

 

[paulobrito]

Not really, it just means that the functional rate of fire will fall until it is done.

You don't want to be in a place that can be under fire if your returning rate of fire is suddenly abysmal.