Breaking News Student Loan Payments to Resume

Personally, I would put it a bit earlier, during the Clinton Administration. That's when I personally observed a lot of jobs being outsourced, it's when Wal-Mart gained ascendancy in the marketplace via cheap Chinese Labor and it's when all our tech support jobs went to India.
 
Personally, I would put it a bit earlier, during the Clinton Administration. That's when I personally observed a lot of jobs being outsourced, it's when Wal-Mart gained ascendancy in the marketplace via cheap Chinese Labor and it's when all our tech support jobs went to India.

Retrospectively, Nixon's accomplishment of opening China up to US trade did ten thousand times more damage than the Watergate Affair did or ever could have.
 
Personally, I would put it a bit earlier, during the Clinton Administration. That's when I personally observed a lot of jobs being outsourced, it's when Wal-Mart gained ascendancy in the marketplace via cheap Chinese Labor and it's when all our tech support jobs went to India.
The final inflection point was likely 2000 with the granting of permanent most favored nation status to China. And you're right about it being Clinton, as in 1992 Clinton suspended specific human rights requirements for China to maintain trade with the US. Before 1991 China accounted for only 1% of imports to the US. The only opposition to this normalization came from a smattering of bipartisan Union backed Dems, old Cold Warriors, and Social Conservatives, none of whom could get enough backing to really stop it.
 
The student debts should be completely cancelled, and the people issuing such loans should be punished.

What do you call a normal person who gives out free money, knowing it won't be repaid? An idiot, somebody to laugh at.

What do you call a gigantic money industry who gives out free money, knowing it won't be repaid? A vulnerable victim who needs that money back!
 
The student debts should be completely cancelled, and the people issuing such loans should be punished.

What do you call a normal person who gives out free money, knowing it won't be repaid? An idiot, somebody to laugh at.

What do you call a gigantic money industry who gives out free money, knowing it won't be repaid? A vulnerable victim who needs that money back!
Except all the banks that made these loans understood that they would be covered...which is just a dumb way to really run a business b/c then the risk calculation gets ignored. This leads to bad things down the road for many parties.

Student debts shouldn't just be cancelled, just like no debt should just be cancelled. Banks shouldn't be punished for doing it either. The government should be punished by removing their power and influence over our lives.
 
I will never support just forgiving student loans. individual signed a contract and bear the costs of responsibility for that. I'm open to schools baring some of that cost if there's definite evidence of misleading practices in job availability etc...
These colleges could also offer students part-time jobs in university departments, etc.,

Plus I've seen several of my college classmates working part-time jobs in order to paying off student loans.
 
We'll agree to disagree here. I still believe that my handshake is a contract along with my word.
I disagree such a mentality is satanistic. Historically western civilizations have either forgiven all debts on jubilee for example, or they considered loans with interest to be inherently exploitative and forbidden them.

Also if fiscal conservatives want to harp so much about “personal responsibility” and if you take out a loan you are responsible for it. Why don’t they do the same for rich bankers and investors. “You made a risky gamble by giving a loan to a person who can’t pay it back, now face the consequences and take the financial loss.”
 
I disagree such a mentality is satanistic.
Are you saying that 'my word is my bond' is satanistic?
Why don’t they do the same for rich bankers and investors. “You made a risky gamble by giving a loan to a person who can’t pay it back, now face the consequences and take the financial loss.”
This was how it used to work...until govt. decided some things were 'too big to fail'. Which is where American contract law went off the rails.
 
IIRC loans with interest was usually considered usury, which was punished with killings or expelling the people doing it.
 
Good, the Underwater Korean Lesbian Basket Weaving idiots that work at starbucks and all of the useless overpaid token jobs like "Agile coordinator" should stop mooching off of the actually productive part of the population via taxes, be those people ones with actulally useful degrees or non-graduates.
 
These colleges could also offer students part-time jobs in university departments, etc.,

Plus I've seen several of my college classmates working part-time jobs in order to paying off student loans.
They do offer part-time jobs, but like every other job a student can possibly get, there is no hope of them actually being able to pay off those loans. You apparently don't realize how ridiculously expensive school has become these days. And it's not even just the tuition and fees, but housing, because a lot of schools will force at least the freshmen to live in the dorms, and a lot of students (like myself) prefer to live on campus so we can get to classes in a reasonable time on foot, and the school will charge thousands of dollars for that which is due all at once at the start of the semester. All told it cost me something like $10k a semester to go to school when I first started in 2001, and it went up a bit every year. It's definitely a lot higher now. A lot of times if a student has a job, all they can really hope to pay for is their more immediate bills, like rent and groceries.
 
The dirty secret of why the GOP does not like student loan forgiveness is because a bunch of the student loan servicing companies and their employees just happen to be in some red areas.


The lawsuits filed by the states takes a different tack, arguing that debt cancellation will hurt them in numerous ways.

One of the complaints — filed by Arkansas, Iowa, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, and South Carolinaemphasizes that Missouri's student loan servicer, which is part of its state government, could see a drop in revenue because borrowers are likely to consolidate their loans under the Federal Family Education Loan program.

Turns out a lot of the student loan servicing people are in GOP controlled states, and have some very vested interest in making sure their economic model for their company's revenue streams are not subverted by Student Loan Forgiveness.


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The GOP even was against Public Service Loan Forgiveness.

A blockbuster new proposal on student loans from congressional Republicans would eliminate one of the most popular student loan forgiveness programs: public service loan forgiveness. A new bill from Reps. Virginia Foxx (R-NC), Elise Stefanik (R-NY) and Jim Banks (R-IN) would end the troubled program for student loan cancellation.

According to their proposed legislation:

  • the Public Service Loan Forgiveness program would be eliminated;
  • student loan borrowers who are currently pursuing public service loan forgiveness would be protected; and
  • this student loan forgiveness would end after July 1, 2023.
 
Are you saying that 'my word is my bond' is satanistic?
No but excess legalism and fetishization of contracts or "deals" is.

I mean at least the Libertarians are consistent with their worship of agreements, most modern day conservatives aren't. Like for example if someone entered into a deal to become a slave, or a woman entered into a deal to allow someone to have sex with her and prostitute herself is certain conditions are met. Then she decides she does not want that. Would it be Christian to oppose the reigning monarch/soverign government to use his power to bind and loose the law, simply because "people should stick to their deals." I mean I don't know I don't really care if some woman made a deal to prostitute herself then wants out of it, I don't support allowances for rape slavery just because. Thats simply a principal of Christian justice which is mercy. After all Christianity is not a legalistic religion like Islam and Judaism. It is about mercy, Christ offers mercy to those who ask. A Christian should support offering forgiveness of debts.

This was how it used to work...until govt. decided some things were 'too big to fail'. Which is where American contract law went off the rails.
Yes, so why can't we have the government decide "Having the majority of the youth be debt slaves is too big of a problem." why do conservatives always seek to protect interests of big companies? Like if conservatives were at least willing to be fair towards BOTH sides and let bankruptcy discharge student debt, that's one thing. But Western conservatives just want the status quo, or at best the status quo of 10 or 20 years.
 
Also if fiscal conservatives want to harp so much about “personal responsibility” and if you take out a loan you are responsible for it. Why don’t they do the same for rich bankers and investors. “You made a risky gamble by giving a loan to a person who can’t pay it back, now face the consequences and take the financial loss.”
They did? The Fiscal Conservatives ranted and RAVED against the government bailouts and pushed back whereever and whenever they could on the matter. That was the original motive behind the Tea Party movement after all.

But there's only so much they can do when they're part of the party that is out of power at the time. The bank bailouts you're somehow blaming on the fiscal conservatives were passed in in 2008. FFS, do you know what the congressional makeup was in 2008? The House was 235 Democrats to 199 Republican, and the Senate was, functionally, 51 Democrats to 49 Republicans. Meaning that Fiscal Conservatives HAD NO ABILITY to tell the banks to sit and spin, but had they had the power, they would have. And while it was the last year Republican George W. Bush was President, nobody had ever called George W. Bush a fiscal conservative. In point of fact, his entire underlying ideology, "Compassionate Conservatism" in many respects REJECTED the entire idea of fiscal conservatism.
 
They did? The Fiscal Conservatives ranted and RAVED against the government bailouts and pushed back whereever and whenever they could on the matter. That was the original motive behind the Tea Party movement after all.

But there's only so much they can do when they're part of the party that is out of power at the time. The bank bailouts you're somehow blaming on the fiscal conservatives were passed in in 2008. FFS, do you know what the congressional makeup was in 2008? The House was 235 Democrats to 199 Republican, and the Senate was, functionally, 51 Democrats to 49 Republicans. Meaning that Fiscal Conservatives HAD NO ABILITY to tell the banks to sit and spin, but had they had the power, they would have. And while it was the last year Republican George W. Bush was President, nobody had ever called George W. Bush a fiscal conservative. In point of fact, his entire underlying ideology, "Compassionate Conservatism" in many respects REJECTED the entire idea of fiscal conservatism.
Umm looking it over the Tea Party was not raging against government bailout of big bussiness.


The Tea Party movement was an American fiscally conservative political movement within the Republican Party that began in 2009. Members of the movement called for lower taxes and for a reduction of the national debt and federal budget deficit through decreased government spending.[1][2] The movement supported small-government principles[3][4] and opposed government-sponsored universal healthcare.[5] The Tea Party movement has been described as both a popular constitutional movement[6] and as an "astroturf movement" purporting to be spontaneous and grassroots, but created by hidden elite interests.[7] It was composed of a mixture of libertarian,[8] right-wing populist,[9] and conservative activism.[10] It has sponsored multiple protests and supported various political candidates since 2009.[11][12][13] According to the American Enterprise Institute, various polls in 2013 estimated that slightly over 10% of Americans identified as part of the movement.[14]

I'm not saying they would oppose it. But it did not seem to be their big issue. They were just general "muh small gubmat" types.
 
They did? The Fiscal Conservatives ranted and RAVED against the government bailouts and pushed back whereever and whenever they could on the matter. That was the original motive behind the Tea Party movement after all.

But there's only so much they can do when they're part of the party that is out of power at the time. The bank bailouts you're somehow blaming on the fiscal conservatives were passed in in 2008. FFS, do you know what the congressional makeup was in 2008? The House was 235 Democrats to 199 Republican, and the Senate was, functionally, 51 Democrats to 49 Republicans. Meaning that Fiscal Conservatives HAD NO ABILITY to tell the banks to sit and spin, but had they had the power, they would have. And while it was the last year Republican George W. Bush was President, nobody had ever called George W. Bush a fiscal conservative. In point of fact, his entire underlying ideology, "Compassionate Conservatism" in many respects REJECTED the entire idea of fiscal conservatism.
Yeah, but then when they're in power, somehow they never take advantage of it and the subject is quietly dropped... until they're out of power and can safely rant and rave about it again while knowing they won't have to actually follow through because they don't have the votes.
 

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