I usually go by the Oxford English Dictionary definition.First, I could use a good bridge. I'll put tolls on it. Anybody know where I can hire a troll?
Second, what's your definition of Socialism?
This does not necessarily include anything to do with Social Welfare or the Bismarckian idea of State Socialism.... a set of political and economic theories based on the belief that everyone has an equal right to a share of a country's wealth and that the government should own and control the main industries
I usually go by the Oxford English Dictionary definition.
Which one of its numerous sub-dictionaries helpfully expands too ...
This does not necessarily include anything to do with Social Welfare or the Bismarckian idea of State Socialism.
(Or preclude state control of matters of national security)
It leads to a huge leftoid bureaucracy that has to do the redistribution, too.The whole "equal share of a nations wealth" usually leads to welfare, the rich giving to the poor. "Balancing the scales", and all that shit.
Yeah, some are personal, others are basically government fucking up stuff it was already doing.It doesn't really help, the reason why somebody's poor or rich isn't so easily fixed.
the economic policies, social policies, or the religion?Second, what's your definition of Socialism?
the economic policies, social policies, or the religion?
Not to mention that if the whole movie is propaganda for a fascist state, it's "propaganda" that makes the Leader, the State (the two overarching ideals of fascism) and the military look incompetent and ineffectual.You see this is where your argument really loses me. If you just wanted to say "Director's intent was the Feds were the bad guys", fine. I could at least understand that. I wouldn't agree that's the only interpretation, again death of the author, but that would be internally consistent. But you seem to want to have your cake and eat it too.
Like if you argued the "verse" of Starship Troopers was just a propaganda movie that painted the humans as good guys to justify the out of universe war, that would be fine. Or if you wanted to point out inconsistencies with the world building or plot leading to conclusions not originally intended that would also be fine. But you want to only selectively analysis the film when it suits your purposes just like you flip-flop between hard minimalist to rampant speculation based entirely what suits your argument in that moment.
I am the farthest thing from a socialist, I am just not going to entertain idiots claiming 2 + 2 = 5 (because 4 + 1 = 5!) You are wrong, and your schizo bullshit doesn't change that. Nothing you can say here makes you right, no amount of arguing or trying to skew terms or "prove" things with bable, because Nazism is defined as specifically not socialist by everyone engaging with the topic in an academic nature.I am just objectively right here. But you are the one who is shouting with fingers in your ears because you are a socialist and you don't like the idea of your favorite ideology being outed as a genocidal crackpot theory that it really is.
But the fact remains that Nazis were socialist in their name, beliefs, program, political system, everything.
Look at the Communist Manifesto and try to find one thing Nazis didn't do. I dare you.
Nazis did all of the above.
They confiscated private property, established central state control of the economy, hell, they even had the Five Year Plans!
"Everyone engaging with the topic in an academic nature" being who exactly? And even if that is true, show me the evidence. If you are so well-read in academics as to make that claim, you should have no issue doing that, right?I am the farthest thing from a socialist, I am just not going to entertain idiots claiming 2 + 2 = 5 (because 4 + 1 = 5!) You are wrong, and your schizo bullshit doesn't change that. Nothing you can say here makes you right, no amount of arguing or trying to skew terms or "prove" things with babel, because Nazism is defined as specifically not socialist by everyone engaging with the topic in an academic nature.
The burden of proof is on you, as I said you are going against the grain here and defining Nazis as something no one else outside of fringe, non-academic, circles define them as. If I state the moon is made of cheese it isn't on you to list out every astronomer and physicist who understands it to not be, it's up to me to not make such an idiotic claim to begin with."Everyone engaging with the topic in an academic nature" being who exactly? And even if that is true, show me the evidence. If you are so well-read in academics as to make that claim, you should have no issue doing that, right?
But I doubt you will - you certainly are ignorant enough to be a socialist.
But in this case, moon really is made of cheese. And worse, it only takes one look by naked eye to confirm it.The burden of proof is on you, as I said you are going against the grain here and defining Nazis as something no one else outside of fringe, non-academic, circles define them as. If I state the moon is made of cheese it isn't on you to list out every astronomer and physicist who understands it to not be, it's up to me to not make such an idiotic claim to begin with.
We get their motive in the second movie - human individuality disgusts the hivemind. The bugs aren't even selfishly grabbing onto planets both they and humans can live on, they're just genocidal monsters.If anything, the Federation are anti-heroes, and given what was revealed about the Bugs in the third film (their motivations), the Bugs are basically selfish, Lawful Evil antagonists.
Well I would start with:"Everyone engaging with the topic in an academic nature" being who exactly? And even if that is true, show me the evidence. If you are so well-read in academics as to make that claim, you should have no issue doing that, right?
But I doubt you will - you certainly are ignorant enough to be a socialist.
Then:First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
—Martin Niemöller
That has nothing to do with the first movie, in 1997 there is none of that.We get their motive in the second movie - human individuality disgusts the hivemind. The bugs aren't even selfishly grabbing onto planets both they and humans can live on, they're just genocidal monsters.
So...explain how the Federation with its ability to argue differing view points, elections, and a leader who takes fucking responsibility and steps down when they fuck up is the bad guy and fascistThat has nothing to do with the first movie, in 1997 there is none of that.
The Sky Marshal isn't the leader of the Federation, it's lead by a shadowy cabal that elects Sky Marshals.So...explain how the Federation with its ability to argue differing view points, elections, and a leader who takes fucking responsibility and steps down when they fuck up is the bad guy and fascist
lol no all citizens vote for the sky marshal he is the president.The Sky Marshal isn't the leader of the Federation, it's lead by a shadowy cabal that elects Sky Marshals.
Except he absolutely is not, lmao. He's a military leader like a secretary of defense, not a political leader.lol no all citizens vote for the sky marshal he is the president.
Again. Where is this said? This is a Federation that has both civilians and citizens of its state. You can have people who vote and those who don't.The Sky Marshal isn't the leader of the Federation, it's lead by a shadowy cabal that elects Sky Marshals.
Where is this said?Except he absolutely is not, lmao. He's a military leader like a secretary of defense, not a political leader.