Except they weren't launching meteors, as they cannot launch meteors. They're spacebugs who barely understand what space even is. Their greatest exploration of space amounts to launching stuff into space in the hopes it lands on a planet.
Movies Starship Troopers: The bugs did nothing wrong
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Carrot of Truth
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Lets just ignore all of this then, They are disgusting bugs on worlds that humans can live on so fuck em.
I mean at least that's an honest viewpoint, yeah. But at the end of the day the bugs did nothing wrong. They just sat around doing bug shit for millions of years accomplishing barely anything.
Carrot of Truth
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I mean that isn't what is depicted in the movies but that is clearly what we are discussing so fuck the bugs they are disgusting bugs and need to be sprayed with a giant can of raid
So why do you propose a bunch of stupid space-insects were secretly planning a war despite having no offensive capabilities and having a significantly lesser technology base? What was their plans?I mean that isn't what is depicted in the movies but that is clearly what we are discussing so fuck the bugs they are disgusting bugs and need to be sprayed with a giant can of raid
"Kekekekekek eat the humans!" for no reason?
As far as we're told, most of their intelligence popped up once they started eating human officers.
Who were on THEIR planets as invaders.
Carrot of Truth
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The biggest flaw of your argument is that they bugs in the movies do actually inhabit a fairly large section of space. That means they clearly do have a form of space travel and colonization.
Except they don't. Feel free to name the planets they've occupying in the first movie. There's three. All in the same solarsystem.
They barely have ANY territory at all, they're an embarrassingly weak empire if you can even call it that.
Carrot of Truth
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What exactly is the argument you are trying to make?
That
A: The bugs did nothing wrong, humans were the aggressors
and
B: Anyone who thinks contrary to A failed the test the film provides
Crom's Black Blade
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Well that is your problem. You keep coming from this position the film is lying to us, that it's a test we need to see through. Which is an incorrect way to view the film. Rather than forming your own opinions based upon what we see, you are using an outside source to dictate what you *should* think about it rather than forming an actual opinion.
In regards to "we don't see bugs" argument, we also, I believe, see not a single toilet in the film yet I would reasonable conclude they exist out of frame. Simply because something isn't shown doesn't mean it doesn't exist unless you have evidence to suggest otherwise.
-We do see the aftermath of the Mormon colony
-We know they they can fling their spores into space and this is brought up as a counterpoint to mankind's own achievements in interstellar spaceflight
-We know the Federation established the Arachnid Quarantine Zone rather than the Klendathu Quarantine Zone suggesting it covers far more than just one star system.
-We know the Federation allows dissenting viewpoints even from its war correspondents.
-We know the Federation is surprisingly open acknowledging the clusterfuck of the Klendathu campaign and the then current Skymarshal stepping down due to it.
Taken all that together the idea of the Arachnids being a complete potemkin adversary doesn't hold water, not from an universe position. So let's compare. My view is internally consistent with the film(s) with the Bugs, no matter how silly by real world science, being an interstellar empire.
Your view requires us to break the entire logic of the film throwing out everything we see or are told because you find the Bugs abilities unbelievable.
Which is exactly why the Arachnids are not the good guys since they were the aggressors. Humanity defended itself even after establishing a quarantine zone to try and placate the demonic Bugs.
"False flag" is your own conjecture, something you haven't been able to support at all. Indeed your argument breaks the internal logic of the universe in question and makes the film *DUMBER* than it needs to be.
The film is lying to us, that's the point of the endless satirical propaganda videos in it.
We see a bunch of bodies which suspiciously have been laid out in a propagandistic way, with a single bug-leg in the background instead of any full bug corpses, and they were on the planet long enough (without any armed forces!) to build a huge complex.
Yeah, the feds just killed them, and faked a 'bug attack'.
No, it's a false flag. Either that, or a natural event which they allowed to occur, because they had the technology to stop a single rock.
Crom's Black Blade
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I can't concur with that. If we're analyzing the film Starship Troopers, the film becomes are only reference point for "truth". Which brings me back to my original point if you have to invent things out of thin air, make the film out to be a liar, then you've not really analyzing anything. You might as well just write a fanfic and be done with it.
1.) That was one point in a list of broader supportive evidence the fact you sniped that out by itself and ignored the rest, many of which I've repeatedly raised with no response from you, is a sign of bad faith.
2.) The burden of proof would fall to you to prove it was a false flag attack.
Please cite the scene in question where that is confirmed otherwise that's your non-canon opinion.
@Carrot of Truth
Stand brave, Citizen. Remember we die standing in defense of the eternal light of Humanity. It is our resolute duty and honor for which we must never shirk. Death to all Xenos!
No, the film lies to you repeatedly. Kinda the point of the film really.
The bugs cannot launch meteors across a galaxy -> Therefore it's an accident or more likely a false flag, given that they had propaganda designed around it within 2 minutes of the event taking place
That's a shame about your opinion, it's still a false flag.
Carrot of Truth
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IndyFront
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I have a lot more respect for @Carrot of Truth 's argument because they just come right out and say "fuck bugs" and "I don't like bugs." -shrug-
At the end of the day it's just a movie and the humans aren't even real humans with fleshed out cultures and distinctive nation states, they're almost a literal parody of nazis.
At the end of the day it's just a movie and the humans aren't even real humans with fleshed out cultures and distinctive nation states, they're almost a literal parody of nazis.
Its a very honest argument, but not one that really works in-universe for Starship troopers.
Anyone who would agree with the Federation is someone who would agree with the invasion of the middle east, which we now look back on by saying 'What the fuck were we thinking?...'
Carrot of Truth
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But when the first Sky Marshals plan ends in a disaster he just accepts his fuck up and steps down. That is like the exact opposite of a fascist state.
That's implying the government isn't at all corrupt like all governments are. He's probably best friends with his replacement and they're all colluding anyways.
Carrot of Truth
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This is still more like pest control at best since they are nasty bugs
Still a fair point, but do you have any words on how the government are experimenting with human mind-control using SS guys?