Knowledgeispower
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That's a earlier scene during the Falcon being en route to Alderaan
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Val the Moofia Boss
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I thought Dark Troopers were the elite infantry forces of the Galactic Empire? My understanding of the Galactic Empire's military forces is:
- Imperial Army: Stormtroopers (stock infantry force)
- Imperial Navy (the guys with helmets in the Tie Fighters, Tie Bombers, etc).
- Imperial Officers (IIRC General Veers commanded a fleet and led the AT-AT assault on the Rebel base on Hoth). It seems that there aren't "Navy Officers" and "Army Officers", but just Imperial Officers and they have authority over the grunts of either branch. The men in uniforms (same uniforms the navy officers on the ships wear) at the Imperial base on Endor were giving orders to Stormtroopers.
- Emperor's bodyguards
LindyAF
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IMO this is somewhat offset by the fact that engagements in Star Wars do not take place at the ranges they do IRL.
Yeah, I'm not talking about just that line there. It's that IIRC the joke / explanation keeps getting reused in the EU (such as in Star Wars Rebels with Rex). As do jokes about stormtrooper accuracy.
Death Troopers are an elite infantry force of the Galactic Empire, which is what you're thinking of, but they're also a relatively new development - they were introduced in Rogue One, and so are arguably only part of the Disney canon. Additionally, there are some Stormtrooper formations (such as the 501st "Vader's Fist") that are somewhat elite as well.
Dark Troopers are a type of Imperial Battle Droid, they were introduced in the EU but were reincorporated into the Disney canon in Mandalorian.
The EU also introduced Imperial Army Troopers - these are supposed to be below stormtroopers - I think the idea is garrison troops for holding territory already gained. The EU almost never used them, and IMO they don't make any sense and shouldn't be canon. However, Disney did re-introduce them in Solo (they're what Han was in the Disney canon).
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DarthOne
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Different helmet friend. That was the one on the Falcon Obi-Wan had him put on for lightsaber practice.
If you had seen solo, they show the actual imperial Army.
So an interesting vid that explain how Legends turned the Courscant Undercity into a literal hell by the time of the LotF/FotJ era.
I hand't read past the NJO, but even the Vong never caused fucking supervolcano's to form; Abeloth is like a 40k Daemon that got loose in the SW universe.
I hand't read past the NJO, but even the Vong never caused fucking supervolcano's to form; Abeloth is like a 40k Daemon that got loose in the SW universe.
AspblastUSA
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I think it says something profound and also funny about the state of modern news media that I genuinely couldn't tell whether this was a real article or whether Collider was an Onion-style satire site I hadn't heard of at first.
I suspect JJ Abrams is being extremely diplomatic here -- they absolutely did have a plan for the sequel trilogy, it's just that Rian Johnson literally gets off on taking over collaborative series by going out of his way to derail the plot.
That sounds like it makes things worse, actually. Since if there was a plan then it implies episodes 9 was JJ was desperately trying to yank the series back on track. That means Palpatine returning and reylo and death star destroyers were always the end goal, or something like them.
I would point out that Death Star Destroyers were an end goal all the way back in the EU with the Eclipse and Sovereign class Star Destroyers. Also, fitting mini-superlasers on the smallest and most prolific platform they can is actually a relatively sensible use of the things; far more so than the actual Death Stars.
DarthOne
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Yes and no. The Eclipses and Sovereigns were the size of the Executor Super Star Destroyers and their superlasers had only a fraction of the Death Star’s power. So they were a lot more plausible and a lot less OP. Never mind that the Empire only had a few of them instead of a whole fleet.
Knowledgeispower
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A grand total of six between the two classes as I recall where laid down with none of the 4 Sovereigns being actually completed
Largely because the EU decided that "more things with superlasers" made for less interesting story writing than "exotic superweapon of the day!"
The power level of the superlasers on the Xyston class Star Destroyer isn't explicitly specified, and the visuals seen during the destruction of Kijimi do imply substantially lesser power level than the Death Star 1 -- the DS1 shot *instantly exploded* Alderaan, whereas the Xyston shot had to drill into the planet for a moderately extended period of time and tore it apart at a much slower expansion velocity.
LindyAF
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TBH I feel like if they were dead set on doing, superweapons in the first and third movies, they should have just kept Starkiller around, have it only be damaged and not destroyed in the first movie or something.
Actually having Starkiller base still be operational would make the First Order's offscreen takeover of the galaxy in TLJ make a lot more sense, both from a narrative and strategic perspective.
Actually having Starkiller base still be operational would make the First Order's offscreen takeover of the galaxy in TLJ make a lot more sense, both from a narrative and strategic perspective.
AspblastUSA
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It would also help sell their idea as having learned from the mistakes the empire made in a subtle way, considering the Empire lost two Death Stars to fighter attacks in 3 years. It also would give you a setpiece battle location for the climax of Ep. 9 if no, this time you really can't destroy the planet-cracking superweapon from fighters. It has to be conquered and decommissioned. Boom, instant reason for a great big space fight on the surface/inside the halls of Starkiller complete with suitably dramatic locations for climactic lightsaber duels.
DarthOne
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It's still enough to blow up a planet, which the Legends equivalent ships could not do.
Never mind that I find it more plausible for a superlaser to need a much larger ship than an Imp Star Destroyer to house it, and the need for said huge ship makes the superlaser tech more balanced.
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LindyAF
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This is great.
Plus it’d make the villains feel a lot more threatening if they got a W in TFA and it actually felt like they earned it. That imo was the biggest problem with the sequels- they failed to make the villains intimidating.
The Xyston class actually is bigger than an ISD, although the visual model failed to actually provide any real scaling references for it. At 2,400 meters in length, it is in fact bigger than the 2,200 meter Allegiance class Star Destroyers from the EU.