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Chaos Marine
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You know, one of the biggest questions I had for the Starkiller base was where it put the star's mass because stars are pretty damned large nuclear furnaces. How did it stop itself from burning up, where would it get the power to actually do any of that? Why does it need to shoot beams when just going around gobbling up stars should be enough to destroy the entire star system. Also, how did the various fighters survive the destruction and sudden appearance of a star or how did chunks of the Starkiller base survive at all?
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Good question. There was an example of technology using a star for material, the Star Forge, but even that was rather tame.
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prinCZess
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Just now noticing this.What sad shit is this.
Lucasfilm's Kathleen Kennedy on 'Rise of Skywalker' and the Future of 'Star Wars'
Lucasfilm's president goes deep on the future of 'Star Wars'www.rollingstone.com
Ok Boomer.
Bitch please. You're either stupid living under a rock or lying to maintain PR.
She...She does know there was an extensive EU developed over, like, 30 years of comic books and full-length novel series, right? Like...Even if they still throw the things from 'canon' and hare off on their own iteration of things, they own SW and all those belonged in that IP (I assume?) so my rough understanding of IP suggests they'd have been free to lift 'inspiration' pretty freely from the stuff without violating copyright...right?
Maybe that's unfair. But still a boneheaded thing to say.
I'll be fair to Disney/writers and say this seems like 'Endor holocaust' levels of being too critical as handwavy super-duper future-materials seem to be the easy answer.
...Though, also, judging by the above, I imagine running around gobbling up stars would inspire too many comparisons to the sun-crusher, and DiSnEy WaNtEd tO Do iT's OwN tHinG (am...am I doing that meme right?).
Chaos Marine
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There are certain things you can suspend your sense of disbelief for to be honest, things that the average Joe wouldn't really think about such as Endor not bearing seared of life when the second Deathstar goes pop but even the most ignorant of plebs wouldn't need to think too hard about the notion of stuffing a star into a small planet or what would happen to a starsystem when it's star is suddenly no longer it's center piece.
Navarro
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Whatever she's saying, it's plain to see that the Sequel Trilogy is little more than a rehash of Dark Empire.
There's a handy solution for that problem ... make it some kind of megastructure enclosing a star which shoots a Nicoll-Dyson beam through hyperspace. Like a cage or ring around it.
Chaos Marine
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If it was something approaching a Dyson sphere to begin with, yeah, I wouldn't have any where near as many problems with it but I just can't wrap my mind around the concept of a planet sucking up a star without the planet going pop.
AspblastUSA
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I mean it did explicitly require building sized superscience machinery to not explode. Given they expected it to fire as soon as it was done sucking up the star I wouldn't be surprised if it was actually an extremely unstably system. For Star Wars tech I can buy that they can temporarily stuff a sun into a planet if they've riddled the planet inside and out with machinery specifically to do that.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
gral
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Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Not many. Her fifty minutes of fame is up. Paypigs up and left.
I just realized that the Mandalorian did something else most of the Disney Star Wars hasn't been able to do. Have a good soundtrack.
And an awesome storyline without any Mary or Gary Sue/Stew
Chaos Marine
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You know, if they'd cut out Ray entirely from the movies and had it focus on Finn as the main character, it would have been far better since he's probably the only character in the new trilogy to have an actually legitimate and worthwhile character arc with Poe as the lead supporting character. Every other female lead is there to just be "Girl power, incels!"
Doomsought
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Which is really sad, and says something terrible about what the writers think about women.
AspblastUSA
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A lot of these people, I don't think this represents personal beliefs of theirs, or at least not ones held to the extreme that they display. I honestly think that they've been convinced that the exceptionally loud twitter crowd can actually sway mass market opinions and push audiences into or out of seats. Given how arbitrary and inconsistent what the twitterati's definition of sexist is, I can totally understand people coming to the conclusion that adding any flaws at all to a female character isn't worth the risk.
Doomsought
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I have a way to salvage at least some of the plot of the Disney movies.
As a preface, the theme of the movies will be redemption.
With that in mind Rey is no longer a skinny human woman, but rather a stocky, red skinned alien woman with facial tentacles. She has a can use the force untrained, but only with as special talent involving thechnology, and it is due to her species, but doesn't know what she is.
The second move starts out with some pilots/resistance officers talking about a planet being scouted near Finn. After a bit of drama, Finn reveals that the planet is used by the New Order as a gulag for political dissidents and also houses a few hostages to keep important people in line. The resistance decides pretty quickly that hitting this target would be a great way to weaken the Order, and the mission goes ahead. Heroes be heroic, people get rescued, and everyone starts loading up onto the ships to make a get away. This is all in the first ten to twenty minutes of the film.
But as they are about to make their getaway, there is a huge boom. One of the rescuees sabotaged the hyperdrive hoping to be rewarded by the order. After they get tossed out the airlock, Rey thinks she can get the hyperdrive to work using her force powers. But there are some problems, the ship is leaking fuel and much slower than normal while in hyperspace, allowing the Order to track them and then jump ahead to their destination. Rey also can't simply fix the hyperdrive, but has to meditate near the drive to keep it working, and is getting incredibly irratable and sleep deprived as the chase goes on.
Eventually we get to the confrontation, during the talk it out scene, Snoke does the classic come to the rak side line. Rey denies him, but he then laughs and say she already has been using the dark side of the force. He reveals that Rey has been using a dark side technique known as alchemy, and that is why her eyes are glowing yellow. Eventually they manage to board the superstar destroyer, and hijack one of the smaller star destroyers under construction to make their escape.
Third movie starts out be revealing how the Order has been getting all of its equipment: "An ancient Dark artifact associated with the sith, it has already been destroyed several times only to reconstitute itself thousands of years later: the Star Forge." Snoke has been using various hard ware hacks to control it. He never found the secret control mechanism, so he has only had limited access to its production abilities. While the Resistance and Repub are arguing over what to do about the Star Forge, Rey decides to try and steal it from Snoke. She reveals to the other heroes that after having her heritage revealed, she did some research and found out that she is the last of her species left in the galaxy. She wants to use the Star Forge's cloning bays (which Snoke hasn't been able to activate) to revive her species from the edge of extinction. The heroes go on an adventure through ancient tombs and the museums of wealthy collectors to find the Star Forge's control mechanism, and then use it to steal the super-weapon never to be seen again
As a preface, the theme of the movies will be redemption.
With that in mind Rey is no longer a skinny human woman, but rather a stocky, red skinned alien woman with facial tentacles. She has a can use the force untrained, but only with as special talent involving thechnology, and it is due to her species, but doesn't know what she is.
The second move starts out with some pilots/resistance officers talking about a planet being scouted near Finn. After a bit of drama, Finn reveals that the planet is used by the New Order as a gulag for political dissidents and also houses a few hostages to keep important people in line. The resistance decides pretty quickly that hitting this target would be a great way to weaken the Order, and the mission goes ahead. Heroes be heroic, people get rescued, and everyone starts loading up onto the ships to make a get away. This is all in the first ten to twenty minutes of the film.
But as they are about to make their getaway, there is a huge boom. One of the rescuees sabotaged the hyperdrive hoping to be rewarded by the order. After they get tossed out the airlock, Rey thinks she can get the hyperdrive to work using her force powers. But there are some problems, the ship is leaking fuel and much slower than normal while in hyperspace, allowing the Order to track them and then jump ahead to their destination. Rey also can't simply fix the hyperdrive, but has to meditate near the drive to keep it working, and is getting incredibly irratable and sleep deprived as the chase goes on.
Eventually we get to the confrontation, during the talk it out scene, Snoke does the classic come to the rak side line. Rey denies him, but he then laughs and say she already has been using the dark side of the force. He reveals that Rey has been using a dark side technique known as alchemy, and that is why her eyes are glowing yellow. Eventually they manage to board the superstar destroyer, and hijack one of the smaller star destroyers under construction to make their escape.
Third movie starts out be revealing how the Order has been getting all of its equipment: "An ancient Dark artifact associated with the sith, it has already been destroyed several times only to reconstitute itself thousands of years later: the Star Forge." Snoke has been using various hard ware hacks to control it. He never found the secret control mechanism, so he has only had limited access to its production abilities. While the Resistance and Repub are arguing over what to do about the Star Forge, Rey decides to try and steal it from Snoke. She reveals to the other heroes that after having her heritage revealed, she did some research and found out that she is the last of her species left in the galaxy. She wants to use the Star Forge's cloning bays (which Snoke hasn't been able to activate) to revive her species from the edge of extinction. The heroes go on an adventure through ancient tombs and the museums of wealthy collectors to find the Star Forge's control mechanism, and then use it to steal the super-weapon never to be seen again
And SOMEHOW it accomplishes this while pulling material from the Star Wars Holiday Special, of all things.
Doomsought
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To fix the first movie, all you need to do is bring up lore about hyperspace gate technology. Unlike ship based hyperspace drives, the hyperspace gate that the Starkiller base uses to fire its plasma beam across the galaxy can open hyperspace portals inside of gravity-wells. The technology was mostly abandoned because it is more expensive than hyperspace drives, and creates a bottleneck, but is still used in the deep core where gravitational fluctuation often open and close hyperlanes to hyperdrive equipped star-ships.
The Resistance's plan is to commandeer the control station for Starkiller base's hyperspace gate, and allow a republic fleet to enter directly into planetary atmosphere underneath the planetary shields. Once let in, the Republic fleet is able to split up and destroy a majority of the score of heat disparator used by the Starkiller base, causing it to overheat and self destruct.
This retains all the spcial effects fun, but also gives us a new gambit for destroying the super weapon.
The Resistance's plan is to commandeer the control station for Starkiller base's hyperspace gate, and allow a republic fleet to enter directly into planetary atmosphere underneath the planetary shields. Once let in, the Republic fleet is able to split up and destroy a majority of the score of heat disparator used by the Starkiller base, causing it to overheat and self destruct.
This retains all the spcial effects fun, but also gives us a new gambit for destroying the super weapon.