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[Certified_Heterosexual]

Backroom corporate politics, a very angry woman, and tussling over the future of the company.

Hollywood throwing away billions of dollars in easy money, seemingly just to torment nerds, is one of the most bizarre things I've ever seen. It's sadism manifested at the level of a giant corporation.

 

[AspblastUSA]

Hollywood throwing away billions of dollars seemingly just to torment nerds is one of the most bizarre things I've ever seen. It's sadism manifested at the level of a giant corporation.

I honestly don't think its sadism so much as disconnectedness. The various executives honestly don't (or at least hadn't, perhaps they're beginning to now) realize that they've hired spin doctors slick enough that these market research types can fool them too. Personally I fully believe that the execs went into this having been given very shiny presentations that made a seemingly iron-clad case that this would increase the audience for the franchises overall, and when the inevitable backlash happened I for one am willing to bet that they were being mollified by similarly shiny presentations about how this was a minor, temporary decrease in revenue while the IP sheds its old, niche audience to transition to servicing a much larger mainstream one.

 

[Deleted member 88]

I think a lot of the SJW activism is at the level of middle management, the upper execs would be informed by the middle management SJWs who do the "hands on" work that it would work, bring in money, and that the backlash was a minority of old fans, and that their efforts would bring in newer fans and a bigger audience. So don't worry.

The upper execs for a time not seeing their profit margins fall, believed this, or at least assumed that what the bongos were telling them would pan out sooner or later.

When this didn't happen, they realized they'd been conned, but now their hands were tied-get rid of the bongos and face the wrath of twitter, keep them on and see their profits continue to fall.

This is the state Lucasfilm finds itself in now.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

When this didn't happen, they realized they'd been conned, but now their hands were tied-get rid of the bongos and face the wrath of twitter, keep them on and see their profits continue to fall.

This is the state Lucasfilm finds itself in now.

Sunk Cost Fallacy?

Honestly, I wonder if those that realized it ever went “From one sociopath to another, What THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU!?”

When they realize that the latter REALLY doesn’t care about money and are doing this because they really are into an ego based agenda

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

I think a lot of the SJW activism is at the level of middle management, the upper execs would be informed by the middle management SJWs who do the "hands on" work that it would work, bring in money, and that the backlash was a minority of old fans, and that their efforts would bring in newer fans and a bigger audience. So don't worry.

The upper execs for a time not seeing their profit margins fall, believed this, or at least assumed that what the bongos were telling them would pan out sooner or later.

When this didn't happen, they realized they'd been conned, but now their hands were tied-get rid of the bongos and face the wrath of twitter, keep them on and see their profits continue to fall.

This is the state Lucasfilm finds itself in now.

I do look forward to the day when these SJWs come to their introduction talk, and then have to explain their various garbage tweets.

"You stated that all corps should be dismantled and its goods repurposed as propaganda for your ideological beliefs rather than profit. What makes you think you'd be a good fit?"

 

[Deleted member 88]

I do look forward to the day when these SJWs come to their introduction talk, and then have to explain their various garbage tweets.

"You stated that all corps should be dismantled and its goods repurposed as propaganda for your ideological beliefs rather than profit. What makes you think you'd be a good fit?"

“Are you racist or sexist or homophobic? I’m a great fit if you value diversity and progressive ideals.” Checks with their PR department, “ah yes, we think you’d make an excellent fit”

Is how that sort of thing usually goes.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

“Are you racist or sexist or homophobic? I’m a great fit if you value diversity and progressive ideals.” Checks with their PR department, “ah yes, we think you’d make an excellent fit”

Is how that sort of thing usually goes.

They should do the usual thing and ghost their applicant. You know, "We will get back in contact with you", and just never call again. Ignore requests to answer back, and generally put them on an ignore list.

 

[Deleted member 88]

They should do the usual thing and ghost their applicant. You know, "We will get back in contact with you", and just never call again. Ignore requests to answer back, and generally put them on an ignore list.

And when questioned especially on Twitter by rabid woke people, say “we have not rejected their application, it is still being considered”

Of course eventually this technique doesn’t work when the applicant is riling up a Twitter mob. But it does blunt their influence.

 

[DarthOne]

And when questioned especially on Twitter by rabid woke people, say “we have not rejected their application, it is still being considered”

Of course eventually this technique doesn’t work when the applicant is riling up a Twitter mob. But it does blunt their influence.

Or they could, you know, just ignore the twitter mob.

 

[Battlegrinder]

I think it's a stretch to pin everything on SJW infiltrator intentional ruining the franchise with their politics or whatnot. It's certainly a convenient theory, in that it is very convenient to pin all the blame on a handful of people and be able to go "aha, it's their fault, if we could just get rid of them everything would be fine", but I don't think that's an accurate assessment of what the issue is.

How many movies, games, books, etc come out in a given year that are actually good? Not just passable or good enough to get some reviews and then slowly fade away because they're not good enough to be memorable or significant, but actually good? I'd guess not many. And there's no reason this should be a desired end state, making a movie that's well regarded means not only ongoing revenue because people will keep buying copies, it's creatively easy because it creates a market of people wanting sequels, spinoffs, etc.

Now, we could assume that studios are intentionally placing ideology above profits, but that seems dubious given that stuff made without any discernible agenda behind it is not consistently better. Or, we could assume that the industry that greenlit Cats is probably not very good at it's job, but to my knowledge foreign films or indie works are also broadly on par with the major studios.

To me, the most likely answer is that telling a good story is actually just really hard, and so while SJWs on the production team or whatever might bear some blame for how the ST worked out, it's not all on them. No one from the films worked on Fallen Order or Mando, and those works both have plenty off issues.

 

[AspblastUSA]

In this case it’s less about overall quality and more about allowing decisions to stand that should obviously have caused a negative audience reaction. The largest in SW being sequel Luke. Luke Skywalker is/was a major cultural touchstone, a hero basically everyone at least knew about. It should have been clear that writing him as a crotchety old man who ran away would upset people who were fans of the IP they purchased, and yet somebody convinced the studio that this plan would work.

 

[DarthOne]

Excuse me, what.

 

[Certified_Heterosexual]

Wow, talk about sunk costs fallacy.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

Excuse me, what.

You know, I can't erase whatever book this garbage originates from, but I sure as hell can erase all references to it.

 

[Tzeentchean Perspective]

Excuse me, what.

But wait, there's more:

 

[Certified_Heterosexual]

Is this better or worse than Picard being gay for Data?

 

[Bigking321]

Is this better or worse than Picard being gay for Data?

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What?

Is that actually a thing.

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[Certified_Heterosexual]

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What?

Is that actually a thing.

I see you have yet to watch Picard, my guy.

 

[Bigking321]

I see you have yet to watch Picard, my guy.

Star treks been garbage for quite a while but i had no idea how garbage it seems.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Star treks been garbage for quite a while but i had no idea how garbage it seems.

Say what would Gene Roddenberry do/say if he was around today? I think people still think there’s a vast difference between the EU or UN sort of Centralization and that of the USSR and other Communist powers and that said sort of centralization can never go crazy

Oh, off-topic

Say, any chances that there gonna be plans for another trilogy in a few years?