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So having watched the video, having previously thought that Filoni was just a closeted furry with a bit of a waifu complex but now... Well basically all I gotta say is this.

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Random Username said:
He didn't allow Ahsoka to die. That's all I need to know and he has a thing for inserting wolves.
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As someone who only really got into the EU post The Clone Wars I didn't have the same problem with him disregarding previous continuity regarding the prequel era the way some do so I had the apparently mistaken perspective that Dave Filoni was one of the few old hands who both survived from the Lucas Era and also knew how to write good Star Wars stories.

Had that been true his thing for wolves and his inability to let his OC Donut Steele die would have been... annoying but tolerable. Finding out that he was in the room peddling nonsense like everyone else though...
 
Filoni was quite happy to disrespect previous lore and formalized the trend of treating the EU as a glorified idea mine. And not actually valuing it for itself.
 
Star Wars never respected previous lore, the oldest expanded universe is after based on a toy line and ewok cartoons. Filoni just played the game right and protected his up, knowing that Ahsoka would be used to spring board into other shows as she grew older. (creating a world between world's just to delay her aging was a merch master stroke)


As for Luke being disrespected, I feel like they stayed true to the EU stuff, the guy becomes disillusioned or a recluse like three times in the books. Episode 9 was hot garbage, but personally I blame episode 8 for not focusing on the contrasts between his and Snoke's training.
 
HistoryMinor said:
Star Wars never respected previous lore, the oldest expanded universe is after based on a toy line and ewok cartoons. Filoni just played the game right and protected his up, knowing that Ahsoka would be used to spring board into other shows as she grew older. (creating a world between world's just to delay her aging was a merch master stroke)


As for Luke being disrespected, I feel like they stayed true to the EU stuff, the guy becomes disillusioned or a recluse like three times in the books. Episode 9 was hot garbage, but personally I blame episode 8 for not focusing on the contrasts between his and Snoke's training.
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There’s a difference between a few tweaks and corrections and retconning an entire era.



Watch from about 54:00 onward for a few minutes to get just a glimpse at how TCW fucked up the timeline and gave rise to the Disney shills claims that about Star Wars Legends not having continuity and so on.

Or watch the whole thing from about 30:00 for the whole picture.
 
DarthOne said:
There’s a difference between a few tweaks and corrections and retconning an entire era.



Watch from about 54:00 onward for a few minutes to get just a glimpse at how TCW fucked up the timeline and gave rise to the Disney shills claims that about Star Wars Legends not having continuity and so on.

Or watch the whole thing from about 30:00 for the whole picture.
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I'm still mad about vergere and the Typhon crap, I don't care that the cgi show ignored badass but ultimately over buffed dark Travis's novels and darkhorse comics. None of this would have been a problem if Lucas hadn't decided to make the war only three years long
 
HistoryMinor said:
in Canon Ahsoka was only Anakin's Padawan for like 2 years tops. you need to think of continuity like a comic book
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Not according to TCW. Also, it makes no sense for the Jedi to Knight Anakin two months after Genosis, much less give him a padawan. Frankly Anakin’s swift character growth from Attack of the Clones Anakin to ‘Clone Wars Anakin’ makes little sense. Where as in the orgional multimedia timeline, his maturity was much more organic and gradual.
 
DarthOne said:
Not according to TCW. Also, it makes no sense for the Jedi to Knight Anakin two months after Genosis, much less give him a padawan. Frankly Anakin’s swift character growth from Attack of the Clones Anakin to ‘Clone Wars Anakin’ makes little sense. Where as in the orgional multimedia timeline, his maturity was much more organic and gradual.
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lol if I remember correctly most of his character development came from the tartakovsky montage time skip, books that basically branched off from his Jedi padawan stuff and maaaaybe the dark horse comics. (the person who would become krayt vouched for him, which was a mistake)

Time in starwars is both a limitation and a plot hole. At best it forces you to kill off cool characters, make them fuck off in cliched ways or play rules lawyer in order to preserve something Yoda said, at worst it leads to people constantly rehashedls the same stories and returning to the same periods over and over.


my headcanon is that a star Wars year is based on coruscant's motion around the galactic core, not an earth year.



also lol the vid is bitching about feminism. Of course they wanted to give Leia something to do, she's beloved by nerds and never became a Jedi really in the EU (too busy with politics, pumping out kids and worrying about Luke) The issue is that she died and they didn't have the heart to write her out of the story.
 
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HistoryMinor said:
lol if I remember correctly most of his character development came from the tartakovsky montage time skip, books that basically branched off from his Jedi padawan stuff and maaaaybe the dark horse comics. (the person who would become krayt vouched for him, which was a mistake)

Time in starwars is both a limitation and a plot hole. At best it forces you to kill off cool characters, make them fuck off in cliched ways or play rules lawyer in order to preserve something Yoda said, at worst it leads to people constantly rehashedls the same stories and returning to the same periods over and over.


my headcanon is that a star Wars year is based on coruscant's motion around the galactic core, not an earth year.
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Which was set much later in the War, thus making more sense.

Also that’s not how that works. At all. On multiple levels.
 
In the original CW, Anakin didn't become a knight until relatively late in the war.

Remember he is 19 in AOTC, and Knighthood trials don't happen until the council feels they are ready-which in 22 BBY Anakin definitely was not.
 
DarthOne said:
Which was set much later in the War, thus making more sense.

Also that’s not how that works. At all. On multiple levels.
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three years, guy. Sure if you focused on Anakin slowly becoming a grizzled PTSD ridden badass, that could work. It already did, tartakovsky clone wars on YouTube for free and the dark horse comics are all over the place. With that said, that multimedia project was specifically done to retcon how much of a little bitch movie Anakin was.

With that said, Leia being the mentor is not really a bad idea. Unfortunately she died halfway through production of 8,and because Abrams was butthurt that episode 8 threw away his ideas, he tacked on the deleted stuff from episode 7 in the hopes that her passing would generate more interest.
 
HistoryMinor said:
three years, guy. Sure if you focused on Anakin slowly becoming a grizzled PTSD ridden badass, that could work. It already did, tartakovsky clone wars on YouTube for free and the dark horse comics are all over the place. With that said, that multimedia project was specifically done to retcon how much of a little bitch movie Anakin was.

With that said, Leia being the mentor is not really a bad idea. Unfortunately she died halfway through production of 8,and because Abrams was butthurt that episode 8 threw away his ideas, he tacked on the deleted stuff from episode 7 in the hopes that her passing would generate more interest.
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Dude, Anakin is a teenager. A teenager with serious problems.

Like fuck, Hayden's acting wasn't always stellar but people don't actually pay attention to how Anakin is actually portrayed and why he has the issues he does.

He's arrogant and confident in his own abilities, feels that Obi Wan isn't the most sympathetic of mentors, and has visions of people he loves dying.

Like-damn people expected Anakin to be...what?

Fact is, he became a Jedi when he was too old.
 
Lord Invictus said:
In the original CW, Anakin didn't become a knight until relatively late in the war.

Remember he is 19 in AOTC, and Knighthood trials don't happen until the council feels they are ready-which in 22 BBY Anakin definitely was not.
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you're going off of the tartakovsky cartoon, honestly I don't even know when Anakin becomes a knight in the new Canon. Even in darkhorse tartakovsky legends they make a point of saying they cut corners while making him a knight. No matter what the timeline makes no sense, there's no way he could both participate in multiple sieges, fight in multiple theaters, be thrown in a bacta tank I think, help obi wan hunt down durge and Ventress, go to a conference also attended by dooku, run into dooko visit padme on multiple occasions and train a Padawan all in that small window of time.
 
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