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From what I’ve heard, Patrick steward isn’t playing Picard here.

He’s Patrick Stewart playing Patrick Stewart.

It doesn’t sound like Trek though. But rather something that took concepts from it.

But I haven’t watched the show.
 

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From what I’ve heard, Patrick steward isn’t playing Picard here.
Would have fooled me... the character seems to be a much older and disgruntled Picard. In the flashback scenes we've gotten so far that show events leading up to things, we're seeing the moment that drove Picard from the pure idealist we saw last in Nemesis to his present self, so they're taking the time to show how things happened.

It doesn’t sound like Trek though. But rather something that took concepts from it.
Is Deep Space Nine Star Trek? Because, so far, Picard hasn't gotten as tonally dark as DS9 did in its run and there is a strain of optimism still undergirding the story thus far in Picard that's been a halmark of Star Trek since the beginning. To go to the Space Western well, if TOS and TNG were "Wagon Train to the Stars" and DS9 was "The Rifleman in Space" it seems like Picard is sizing up to be something more akin to "True Grit of the Future".


Much more entertaining than Star Trek Picard can ever be.

Not really... and even in the first few minutes I can already spot flaws in their analysis, for instance, one of them goes on about how Commodore Oh is a Vulcan who's working with the Romulans and doesn't act like a Vulcan. My counterpoint would be Valeris from Star Trek VI, who was a Vulcan who worked with a Romulan and was a Bad Guy.

And, I'm going to be honest, this deification of the bullshit that was S1 and S2 of TNG as somehow being the critical establishment of what the Federation and Star Trek is supposed to be irks me. Season 1 and 2 of TNG were garbage, and greatly limited potential storytelling in the Trek universe. There's a reason writers moved away from that in later TNG, DS9 and everything else, instead moving towards a more TOS style set up where the Federation was good, but not perfect.
 

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There's a reason writers moved away from that in later TNG, DS9 and everything else, instead moving towards a more TOS style set up where the Federation was good, but not perfect.
It seems like it’s supposed to be an optimistic future but with this show it seems to edge to downright dystopian.
 

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It seems like it’s supposed to be an optimistic future but with this show it seems to edge to downright dystopian.
Not... really? Have you actually watched STP or just going by reviewers? Because it's not really close to distopian in the least. As I said, it's not gotten as dark as DS9 or even TNG did when it comes to evil Starfleet Admirals.
 

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Not... really? Have you actually watched STP or just going by reviewers? Because it's not really close to distopian in the least. As I said, it's not gotten as dark as DS9 or even TNG did when it comes to evil Starfleet Admirals.
I mean I watched side by sides of STP and TNG where basically the exact opposite happens in terms of portrayal of the federation.
 

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Much more entertaining than Star Trek Picard can ever be.

I love RedLetterMedia. They're usually insightful and entertaining.

I do think they have a bit too much love for TNG, expecting a Federation not impacted by the sheer shitshow of the Dominion War.

That being said, the predictions about the Romulans and the Borg are...worrisome. I really don't want that to be the route they go, but, I'm half expecting too.
 

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God damn it, poor Icheb.

I know, the actor defended Kevin Spacey, but I'm so numb to Hollywood defending sex predators and pedophiles that I basically expect it from any celebrity, even if they aren't dumb enough to say it aloud.
 

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God damn it, poor Icheb.

I know, the actor defended Kevin Spacey, but I'm so numb to Hollywood defending sex predators and pedophiles that I basically expect it from any celebrity, even if they aren't dumb enough to say it aloud.

This might be a better topic in the actual Star Trek thread or it's own but regardless... from what Twitter has told me.... and they're never wrong... the victim in this case, Anthony Rapp, accepted the actors apology. Plus I mean Kevin Spacey himself is facing adjudication in the court of law as opposed to Twitter, where such things should occur. So the matter should be settled. But phony Twitter outrage is going to phony Twitter outrage.

But that's what happens when contrition and forgiveness isn't on the menu... especially for something like 'commenting' on a developing issue.
 

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God damn it, poor Icheb.
Not just poor Icheb. Having him vivisected alive, for parts, in uniform, is a pretty damning statement of Starfleet affairs in 2386. Especially since it very clearly implies Starfleet didn't care, Admiral Janeway didn't know or care, his CO didn't know or care, his shipmates didn't know or care, and his murder was written off by pretty much everyone but Seven as "meh." Certainly nobody else cares much about Dr. Mengele von Bubblegum and her Borg butchershop. And that assumes Icheb was on leave.

Which being in uniform implies is the best case option. If he’s in uniform, he’s on duty. And Seven implies that Bjayzl lured the COLEMAN into a trap solely to grab Icheb. A Starfleet that allows that to go unavenged is . . . distopian indeed.

Similarly, Bjayzl and co really have no qualms about going after Starfleet officers. Which, again, says a lot about how far Starfleet has slunk since 2379. It increasingly looks like they don't fear the big heat.

Picard is increasingly naive, not understanding what Rios, Raffi and Seven do: Sometimes vengeance is the only justice you get. Which is about as damning a comment on how far and fast the Federation fell from 2379 to 2399.
 
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Would have fooled me... the character seems to be a much older and disgruntled Picard. In the flashback scenes we've gotten so far that show events leading up to things, we're seeing the moment that drove Picard from the pure idealist we saw last in Nemesis to his present self, so they're taking the time to show how things happened.
I don't agree with that. Yes, Picard is disgruntled, but he's still a lot more of an idealist and, frankly, naive, than most of the rest of his crew.

Picard's not very good at sub rosa in 2399. And he's extremely trusting, both with Starfleet, and Jurati, and even Seven. As Bajayzel states, Picard was trying to play her while Seven was playing him, twice. He even gave Seven the weapons, and beamed her down to Freehold combat ready, and, per Seven, he still didn't even think for a minute she was going to complete her vengeance. Rios clearly knew, which is why he slipped Seven the pattern enhancer to get in there.

Not... really? Have you actually watched STP or just going by reviewers? Because it's not really close to distopian in the least. As I said, it's not gotten as dark as DS9 or even TNG did when it comes to evil Starfleet Admirals.
It’s certainly the most gruesome Trek has gotten, and Trek has been very explicit about species that practice vivisection on humans. Icheb’s on screen death is absolutely heartbreaking, and we’ve seen Star Trek tackle euthanasia before. What is different is that it makes you wish Picard had loaned Seven a Varon-T and not a standard phaser rifle to give Bjayzl a taste of her own medicine. And may Icheb and every ex-Borg she callously murdered be carried to heaven on Bjayzl’s screams as Seven rips her apart molecule by molecule. A quick phaser blast on kill is far too damn merciful.

We are NOT supposed to want that in Trek.

We’re not supposed to root for bloody vengeance in Trek, despite that undercurrent leading back to Worf killing Duras. In Trek, we’re supposed to agree with Picard that is wrong, both when reprimanding Worf and talking Seven down. But now we don’t. Because 2399 is a universe where cops, law and impartial justice, or retiring to contented exile on a cushy chateaux, is a privilege, not the standard. Picard’s ideals are so Core-world and 2367. The new reality is that neither the Federation nor Starfleet give a damn: not about androids, or xBs, or planets screaming for law and order, or even their own servicemen.

That is a darkness Trek has never embraced, even in the worst schemes of Federation admirals. It’s the evil of lawful neutral, and the ultimate darkness of the Prime Directive.
 

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It’s certainly the most gruesome Trek has gotten,
It is the most gruesome Trek has gotten on screen, and yes, that does, in fact bother me. However, it hardly is the worst we've actually heard of happening outside of Federation space. In fact, we know of these kind of terrible things happening as early as season 1 of TNG. I mean, what happened to Icheb was terrible, but it was ONE specific group doing that; however, back in Season 1 of TNG an outside the Federation colony world is mentioned, Turkana IV, homeworld of one Tasha Yar, and the home of multiple groups of [Rape gangs. Then there of course was the story of Tarsus IV where fully half the population was executed by the governor, Kodos. Witness and survivor of this event? One James Tiberius Kirk. For a more personal form of torture that we see directly on screen, see the unnamed colony world in Deep Space Nine's "Paradise", where Ben Sisko is hotboxed and pushed to suffer under cult torture and attempts at indoctrination. Further we know that outside the Federation there is a large and thriving organized crime networks, as again, seen in DS9 in "Honor Among Thieves".

What was done to the xBs was cruel and terrible, yes, but one thing that has, in fact, been consistent in Trek is that outside of Federation space all sorts of cruelty and terrible things happen. Not all the time, no, but they DO happen, and good people suffer under them. Does this excuse the graphicness of Picard in this episode? No, like I said, I'm not happy about that, but to pretend that Icheb dying while on a personal mission (the episode clearly stated he'd taken personal time to work with the Rangers, he was not acting under Starfleet aegis) outside the Federation against dangerous criminals is somehow outside the vision of Trek previously established is to, fundamentally, whitewash the vision of Star Trek.

Now, your point about revenge is absolutely well placed and DOES contradict the prior themes of Star Trek. Revenge has always been something Trek has warned against, most strongly, interestingly, with Kirk, as he had three major stories that revolved around revenge, his encounter with the aforementioned Kodos years later in classic "The Conscience of the King", then when revenge was sought against him by Khan in "Star Trek II" and then finally regarding Klingons and his son in Star Trek VI". All bear the same message that revenge should not be sought, rather justice and forgiveness.

It is a concerning turn, as episodes prior to this had been driving in a more optimistic direction. We shall see what transpires.
 

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It is the most gruesome Trek has gotten on screen, and yes, that does, in fact bother me. However, it hardly is the worst we've actually heard of happening outside of Federation space. In fact, we know of these kind of terrible things happening as early as season 1 of TNG. I mean, what happened to Icheb was terrible, but it was ONE specific group doing that; however, back in Season 1 of TNG an outside the Federation colony world is mentioned, Turkana IV, homeworld of one Tasha Yar, and the home of multiple groups of [Rape gangs. Then there of course was the story of Tarsus IV where fully half the population was executed by the governor, Kodos. Witness and survivor of this event? One James Tiberius Kirk. For a more personal form of torture that we see directly on screen, see the unnamed colony world in Deep Space Nine's "Paradise", where Ben Sisko is hotboxed and pushed to suffer under cult torture and attempts at indoctrination. Further we know that outside the Federation there is a large and thriving organized crime networks, as again, seen in DS9 in "Honor Among Thieves".

What was done to the xBs was cruel and terrible, yes, but one thing that has, in fact, been consistent in Trek is that outside of Federation space all sorts of cruelty and terrible things happen. Not all the time, no, but they DO happen, and good people suffer under them. Does this excuse the graphicness of Picard in this episode? No, like I said, I'm not happy about that, but to pretend that Icheb dying while on a personal mission (the episode clearly stated he'd taken personal time to work with the Rangers, he was not acting under Starfleet aegis) outside the Federation against dangerous criminals is somehow outside the vision of Trek previously established is to, fundamentally, whitewash the vision of Star Trek.
It's the ultimate in show versus tell. Telling us something awful happens outside Federation space is far less effective than taking a beloved character and cutting him apart on screen. It had to be graphic to demonstrate how devastating it was to Seven. We had to watch, so it was devastating to us. We have to be angry, we have to feel like one of our people was murdered, so we know Seven is right and Picard is wrong. That's why we have to see Icheb cut apart, in a Starfleet uniform. They broke faith with Icheb, and he had more right to expect Starfleet to hold the faith than many people on the frontier. Icheb wore the uniform, he died in it, and Starfleet owes him justice. Because that's the point - Starfleet has shirked their duty.

Blasting Bjayzl with a phaser is far more merciful than she deserves. And you have to be angry, so you don't retreat into the fantasy that Bjayzl could be hauled into court, or a prison cell somewhere. The only justice Icheb will ever get is from Seven's gun, and we have to know that. If you don't want Seven to assimilate Bjayzl, listen to her scream as Borg nanoprobes rip her body into a new configuration, then vivisect Bjayzl alive to pull those parts out of her again, you're not human. That's what Seven is trying to tell Picard. Borg don't avenge, humans do. Borg don't have kin, nor do they show or earn loyalty. Humans do. Talking Seven down is no different than Clancy telling Picard to go home.

The big difference between what was done to Icheb, and what was done to La Forge, or Sisko, or Yar, or Picard himself, is that the cavalry do not show up in time. Starfleet does not show up in the nick of time to save the day. COLEMAN does not blast in from warp, phasers firing, photon torpedoes locked and loaded, and MACOs ready for the kill. And we know that's exactly what Archer, Kirk, Spock, Sulu, Picard, Riker, Sisko, Worf, Jellico or Janeway would have done, were this set in any of those serieses. Because we do have multiple episodes where they arrive in time, and the character lives.

The other big difference is who comes to the rescue. It's not Seven's place to roll in to blast Dr. Mengele von Bubblegum and abbatoir of horrors. That place belongs to COLEMAN's captain or XO, just like it's his or her job to shout for the immediate beamout, and COLEMAN's medical officer to save Icheb in the nick of time. You have to be loyal to your people, and previous incarnations of Trek ere adamant about that. That's how things worked when Starfleet did it's job. We have seen Kirk, Spock and McCoy, Picard, Riker and Crusher, Sisko, Kira and Bashir, or Janeway, Chakotay and the EMH do that hundreds of times. Picard fought a god to save Wesley Crusher, after all. Hell, we just saw Seven show up in the nick of time in Absolute Candor. Even where they fail, as they did with Marla Aster, they try.

The only cavalry coming for Icheb is Seven. She's late. All Seven can to is put an end to Icheb's suffering. That's a major turn of events. The only way it could possibly be sadder is if QJr showed up too late. That's the devastating lesson - Starfleet should come, and Starfleet should as hell avenge. And they don't!

We also don't know if Icheb was acting outside Starfleet's aegis or not. Seven gives us two versions of the story. One is that it happened when Icheb was on leave, but the other is that Bjayzl lured Icheb's ship (presumably the COLEMAN) into a trap simply to capture him. Icheb is in uniform, and with combadge, as he is tortured. That tends to suggest the latter, that he was back on duty and on COLEMAN when Bjayzl captured him. It also indicates she is absolutely not worried that Starfleet will come looking for her. Note how, in TNG at least, the first thing the bad guys do is confiscate the com badges, because you can both call out and be located by them. Similarly, Seven has concluded Starfleet has no interest in protecting or avenging their own. On duty or on leave, no organization worth a damn is going to let you kill their people and get away with it, and they're sure as hell going to get pissed. Wars have started by a sailor on liberty getting knifed in an alley. Or, for that matter, any situation of a cop (on duty or off) killed.

Ultimately, it doesn't matter. If this was any other Trek series, ENTERPRISE, DEFIANT or VOYAGER would have arrived in the nick of time. Or gone rogue to avenge him. It's a very important point that Starfleet doesn't care Bjayzl murdered Icheb. It shows, vividly, just how far and fast Starfleet has fallen.

Not only do they not care about people on the frontier, they don't care about their own. Which is something we have to see and feel, not just hear about.

I'm not happy about it. I'm about as angry as you can get about the death of a fictional character. Icheb was a character I liked, and, more importantly, he died almost alone, unsupported by his ideals, abandoned by those he had the right to expect to hold the faith with him in a place that is literally Planet Forgotten. But I also know why the writers did it: it's the most effective way to show us how rotten and broken Starfleet is, and just how out of touch with reality Picard is.

Now, your point about revenge is absolutely well placed and DOES contradict the prior themes of Star Trek. Revenge has always been something Trek has warned against, most strongly, interestingly, with Kirk, as he had three major stories that revolved around revenge, his encounter with the aforementioned Kodos years later in classic "The Conscience of the King", then when revenge was sought against him by Khan in "Star Trek II" and then finally regarding Klingons and his son in Star Trek VI". All bear the same message that revenge should not be sought, rather justice and forgiveness.

It is a concerning turn, as episodes prior to this had been driving in a more optimistic direction. We shall see what transpires.
Which goes back to why we had to see Icheb being butchered. So we shout out "yes it is!" when Picard tries to talk Seven out of vengeance. Because vengeance is the only justice Icheb will ever have, and the only court Bjayzl will ever see is the barrel of Seven's phaser. We have to know, viscerally, just how wrong Picard is. And the only way to do that is to show Icheb dying alone and unavenged, except for Seven.

Because there is no justice in the Federation in 2399. Which is, frankly, probably the most important theme in Picard - the Federation has lost it's way, lost it's soul. And that Picard has been isolated from it, running away to his chateaux. He can talk about justice and principles all he wants, because he's not seen how far the Federation has fallen. Rios knows better, which is why he slips Seven the pattern enhancer link.

I'd say that Picard has always been heading to this moment. Yes, there's optimism, but it's the optimism of the last stand - people heading into danger because they're needed. We saw that with Elnor; Romulan warrior monks and nuns only bind their swords to a lost cause, and they generally expect to die in the attempt. It's very Klingon. And human, but more Dr. Who than Star Trek.

Which leads to the other subplot of Stardust City Rag: Raffi trying to make amends. Pair that with "The Icarus Factor," where we see the Rikers deal with paternal abandonment in the face of overwhelming loss. Riker makes amends with his father, but Raffi's son tells her to piss off.

Picard is getting dark, but it's always been dark. Because it's about what happens when the people sworn to administer justice . . . don't.
 
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I mean I watched side by sides of STP and TNG where basically the exact opposite happens in terms of portrayal of the federation.
I have to agree with this.

We have the wonder of Star Trek, and some spectacular worldbuilding. You can never look at the Romulans the same again. We have Romulan warrior nuns, and I so want a CSI: Romulus spinoff starring Laris and Commodore Oh. Romulans are being opened up the way Klingons were in TNG and the Ferengi were in DS9, and it's glorious.

Nor will we ever see the Borg, and thus the ex Borg, the same way again. The Collective is the ultimate Western fear, the invasion and subversion of our minds, and the utter erasure of everything that makes us human. And now they are an object of pity. Especially if ex-Borg are common in 2399, whereas we only knew of a handful before. Certainly "The End is the Beginning" and "Stardust City Rag" show the ex-Borg are not seen as people, but resources to be harvested. Hell, the butchers don't have the basic decency to kill you first before dicing you up.

But it's dark and growing darker, and the darkness is not on the frontier, but in the core. The darkness is Starfleet. We have confronted the darkness of the Prime Directive, and how it went from a guideline to be sure about what you were doing in Kirk's time to a bureaucratic absolute in Picard, Sisko and Janeway's. But now we see a Starfleet that does . . . what, exactly? It judges by the group, and is now unwilling to either avenge it's own (with Icheb) or protect those in Federation space. Clancy is more concerned with Picard doing something than with Romulan assassins on Earth, and you can absolutely see her going "not our problem, Commander" if COLEMAN's CO acted the way any CO worth his salt should act - demanding justice for his murdered subordinate. She's looking for a reason, any reason, not to act.

Oh may be in league with the enemy, or be the Big Bad herself. Or, if the twists that are coming are the ones I think are coming, she might even be right. But she's at least doing something to protect her people, even if she's wrong. Clancy and so much of Starfleet simply don't care, and their solution to people like Raffi, or Rios, or Icheb is to beach them and forget about them.

And that's what makes Picard such a hard watch. The hope is gone. Starfleet is no longer the shining beacon that inspired kids like Icheb or Wesley Crusher that the end all and be all was to don the uniform. We just watched one of those kids die in one, abandoned by Starfleet. If you've ever led people into peril, you know that is your greatest fear, that your people will die unnecessarily and alone. Especially if they followed you because they had faith in you, and that you would never let them down. We know that's always a possibility, and we even joke about redshirts. Icheb's death is our greatest fear - that our people die because we made a mistake. Seven in "Stardust City Rag" is what every commander fears. Especally because we know exactly how it feels to send our people into hell, or to their deaths, if required, and we know we will do it again if the situation requires it. And, believe me, that is one hell of a head fuck.

But the flip side to the redshirt jokes is the implicit contract - Kirk, Picard, Sisko and Janeway never spent lives unnecessarily, and they sure as hell felt every one. We saw that when Picard tore into Q in "Q who?" Which is why "Stardust City Rag" is such a hard watch; the faith was broken. Broken badly. Hell, even Picard's morals, the way he talks down Elnor and Seven, look increasingly out of place the way they were not when we were kids watching TNG. He's become a naif. He took the easy way out, retiring to a cushy chateaux. He got off easy. Raffi's devotion to duty destroyed her family. Rios is pursued by demons born of brains and blood splattered on a bulkhead, and chooses to surround himself with reminders of that every day. Seven hears the most painful three words uttered in Trek ever, "now, Seven, please!" ringing in her head every second of every day. Vaporizing Bjayzl may help a little, but Icheb begging for death will be with her every second of every day, forever.

So yes, it is dystopian. And yes, Picard hurts to watch, because something is seriously wrong in the state of Denmark. But we have to watch, because we want the Starfleet we grew up with to come back. We are praying for a miracle.
 
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I have not seen Picard yet..... but I was under the impression that with the Borg Uprisings/ defeat by Voyager and other encounters in favor of starfleet that "borg parts" were probably not fantastically rare.

I would have thought that collecting a live specimen of a DELTA QUADRANT ENDANGERED SPECIES would be more valueable that some merely uncommon tech. Is cross quadrant travel common by this time in the timeline or what?

But yeah from what I have heard so far, from that post just above by DarthRobbi, we seem to be entering the decline of the golden age of starfleet perhaps? Or maybe just more trying to be dark and edgy writing.
 

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Honestly, everything I've heard of Picard tells me this show has only about 75% to do with old Star Trek; it's just more Bad Robot/Secret Hideout AU garbage.
 

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Honestly, everything I've heard of Picard tells me this show has only about 75% to do with old Star Trek; it's just more Bad Robot/Secret Hideout AU garbage.
Very much disagree. There's so many questions about the world of Picard. Each episode just offers us peeks into the lives we touch, leaving us wanting to know more.

I have not seen Picard yet..... but I was under the impression that with the Borg Uprisings/ defeat by Voyager and other encounters in favor of starfleet that "borg parts" were probably not fantastically rare.

I would have thought that collecting a live specimen of a DELTA QUADRANT ENDANGERED SPECIES would be more valueable that some merely uncommon tech. Is cross quadrant travel common by this time in the timeline or what?

But yeah from what I have heard so far, from that post just above by DarthRobbi, we seem to be entering the decline of the golden age of starfleet perhaps? Or maybe just more trying to be dark and edgy writing.
I had the opposite impression - Borg in the Alpha/Beta Quadrants were rare. Also, apparently, Starfleet is not out pushing the frontiers, so it's reasonable to assume they're not seeking to go where noone has gone before.

But Nepenthe clearly shows the Romulan view of Borg and xBs; that once assimilated, you're just spare parts, not people. No wonder the Klingons like their bat'leths; maim a Romulan, it appears, and they're as good as dead. Perhaps worse.

The only real place we saw "collecting a live specimen" was really a priority in TNG was "The Most Toys," and the goal was Data. I don't think a 2386 Kivas Fajo would want Icheb to sit on a chair in his collection. But, again, we keep seeing how a large part of the universe has a very negative view of synthetics, or ex-Borg, or perhaps that even extends to those like Picard who have synthetic organs. It can't be coincidence the writers mention that Picard has a mechanical heart.

We are seeing the stagnation and complacency of Starfleet, and all that entails. Which was somewhat inevitable, given the triumph of the Dominion War, and then the neutering of the Romulans. If you don't have a mission or an enemy to keep you sharp, you stagnate.

Yes, it's dark and edgy. But that fits the times. We'd go into a diabetic coma if Picard served up the saccarine sweetness of TNG. We don't have the same naive hope we did in the late 1980s and early 1990s, when we bloodlessly triumphed over the Soviets. In 2020, we're dealing with a much more bleak future, and especially with segments of the populace who feel the powers that be hate and despise them, and want them to suffer and die.
 

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Very much disagree. There's so many questions about the world of Picard. Each episode just offers us peeks into the lives we touch, leaving us wanting to know more.
You remind me of people I saw over on Tumblr back in the day, who insisted that the Twilight novels were the greatest example of literature ever written. I'm not going to rag on you too much for thinking something I believe is garbage is actually good though; because in the end, it's all a matter of opinion.

Although I will say that I believe you're setting yourself up for a world of disappointment; because Picard will inevitably betray you. Bare minimum; it's not turning CBS a profit, so it's going to get canceled and you won't get a satisfying conclusion.
 

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Meh, if Discovery continues to get seasons....somehow, I'm sure they can keep Picard going for a little while. I know Patrick Stewart is a big name, but this seems to be a prestige project for Stewart and I think he wants this to succeed.
 

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Season 1 and 2 of TNG were garbage, and greatly limited potential storytelling in the Trek universe.
This is just something assmad people who never really liked TNG say to normies who havent watched the show, who then regurgitate it endlessly to other normies pretending to be nerds.

I will take a thousand planet africas over one more second of dockworkers yammering about how their food is like da poo poo and old ballbusting dykes written by people who think punctuating a sentence with a swear is the same thing as powerful dialogue in a screenplay.
 

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