Star Trek Star Trek Picard Discussion Thread

[Darth Robbhi]

This is just something assmad people who never really liked TNG say to normies who havent watched the show, who then regurgitate it endlessly to other normies pretending to be nerds.

I will take a thousand planet africas over one more second of dockworkers yammering about how their food is like da poo poo and old ballbusting dykes written by people who think punctuating a sentence with a swear is the same thing as powerful dialogue in a screenplay.

It really depends on the episode. Season 2 is a lot stronger on rewatch, and Q Who is the turning point. Peak Performance and The Emissary are some of my favorite episodes (why did we only get two episodes with K’Ehlyr?), and the writing and acting get stronger, setting up the good Seasons 3 and 4.

Season 1 is weak, but it’s learning. There are some fun eps in there, and The Neutral Zone is good.

 

[Darth Robbhi]

Meh, if Discovery continues to get seasons....somehow, I'm sure they can keep Picard going for a little while. I know Patrick Stewart is a big name, but this seems to be a prestige project for Stewart and I think he wants this to succeed.

CBS was reporting they had major upticks in All Access streaming purchases in the Dec-Jan run up to Picard, so that is a clear indication that Picard was tapping into people who were not Discovery watchers.

 

[Terthna]

CBS was reporting they had major upticks in All Access streaming purchases in the Dec-Jan run up to Picard, so that is a clear indication that Picard was tapping into people who were not Discovery watchers.

Of course they did; Patrick Stewart is a huge draw all by himself. The show could have ended up being nothing more than watching a static image of him for an hour, and people would have still signed up for it at first. The question is, can they keep that momentum, and avoid losing those subscriptions after the first season is over. Discovery drew in big numbers at first too, if you'll recall.

 

[Darth Robbhi]

Of course they did; Patrick Stewart is a huge draw all by himself. The show could have ended up being nothing more than watching a static image of him for an hour, and people would have still signed up for it at first. The question is, can they keep that momentum, and avoid losing those subscriptions after the first season is over. Discovery drew in big numbers at first too, if you'll recall.

And they didn’t see too many cancellations. Their earnings reports show the big losses in traditional cable, not streaming.

 

[Terthna]

And they didn’t see too many cancellations. Their earnings reports show the big losses in traditional cable, not streaming.

That's not what I heard, and the fact that Netflix refused to back Picard is, I think, proof of that.

 

[FriedCFour]

Still the best way to watch the show. Every scene seems so silly.

 

[commanderkai]

Just finished the most recent episode. I'm....more concerned.

Spoiler

They are seemingly introducing the Reapers from Mass Effect. Highly advanced synthetic beings that will come 'rescue' newly created synthetic life by destroying organic life in the galaxy. Well, it's not relating to the Borg, thankfully, but this seems far worse.

Also, seemingly, the head of Starfleet Security is on a Romulan ship, even though she's likely a Vulcan. Did she defect?

 

[bullethead]

Also, seemingly, the head of Starfleet Security is on a Romulan ship, even though she's likely a Vulcan. Did she defect?

No, she's literally Zhat Vash from the beginning. This was established in the beginning of the last episode. For all we know, her absence from Starfleet HQ is just covered under leave or personally dealing with a critical situation (which is true, ironically enough).

 

[commanderkai]

No, she's literally Zhat Vash from the beginning. This was established in the beginning of the last episode. For all we know, her absence from Starfleet HQ is just covered under leave or personally dealing with a critical situation (which is true, ironically enough).

Yes, but the sister Romulan described her as a Vulcan.

I do like the idea that the Zhat Vash organization predates the Vulcan/Romulan split but if she doesn't survive, I feel that there would be serious questions raised.

 

[bullethead]

Yes, but the sister Romulan described her as a Vulcan.

I do like the idea that the Zhat Vash organization predates the Vulcan/Romulan split but if she doesn't survive, I feel that there would be serious questions raised.

Oh's half-and-half, so I don't know what's going on there.

 

[Darth Robbhi]

Spoiler

I don’t think it’s the Reapers, but an expectation twist. The Zhat Vash and the synths both expect The Reapers, for different reasons. The Zhat Vash as nemesis, the synths as liberators. But I expect the twist to be more “live in harmony,” not “evil machines come to wipe you out.”

Organic-synthetic coexistence, or lack thereof, is a common sci-fi theme, and we have seen other genres coppy the apocalyptic vein.

I was very disappointed at the xB cube going down so early and pointlessly. The Borg or xBs as the cavalry coming to the rescue would have been a stellar expectation twist and some kick ass television.

Overall, episode 9 was pretty meh. But still a lot less weird than Disco Ball.

 

[Terthna]

Midnight's Edge did a postmortem of Picard season 1:


In short, the show was ruined by both the politics, and the incompetence of those in charge of making it. I don't see how the franchise can recover at this point; Star Trek is dead. Maybe they can revive it at a later date, but for now there's just too much baggage.

 

[Lanmandragon]

Personally I enjoy the show alot. It was entertaining which is what matters but meh whatever.

 

[Terthna]

Personally I enjoy the show alot. It was entertaining which is what matters but meh whatever.

Anything can be entertaining, depending on your perspective. It's not your fault that yours is wrong; but, then again, so is mine.

 

[Lanmandragon]

Anything can be entertaining, depending on your perspective. It's not your fault that yours is wrong; but, then again, so is mine.

There isn't a "wrong" though? Entertainment is inhrently a subjective thing, which coincidentally is why "crtic" isn't a legit job.

 

[Terthna]

There isn't a "wrong" though? Entertainment is inhrently a subjective thing, which coincidentally is why "crtic" isn't a legit job.

If it's all subjective, then there is no such thing as good entertainment, or bad; objectively speaking. Therefore, everyone's opinion about entertainment is, objectively, wrong.

 

[bullethead]

I've moved on from Midnight's Edge, mostly because they don't do a really good job of convincing me that their sources exist, but I will say this - Picard, for all its flaws, is probably the one Trek show with a mostly competent first season. Sure, there was stuff they could've executed differently, but it was nowhere near as painful, meandering, derivative, or nonsensical as the other shows - which means they are learning from their mistakes.

 

[Terthna]

I've moved on from Midnight's Edge, mostly because they don't do a really good job of convincing me that their sources exist, but I will say this - Picard, for all its flaws, is probably the one Trek show with a mostly competent first season. Sure, there was stuff they could've executed differently, but it was nowhere near as painful, meandering, derivative, or nonsensical as the other shows - which means they are learning from their mistakes.

I don't know; their sources have proven to be correct most of the time. Not that it matters in this case, considering they're just commentating on widely available and sourced information about Picard. As for its first season being "competent" compared to other Star Trek shows; I have no idea how you could come to that conclusion. I'd rather watch the entirety of Enterprise, or Voyager, again, than sit through a single episode of Picard. I mean sure, those were bad shows, but at least it never felt like they hated me personally.

 

[bullethead]

I'd rather watch the entirety of Enterprise, or Voyager, again, than sit through a single episode of Picard. I mean sure, those were bad shows, but at least it never felt like they hated me personally.

The show that hated me personally was Discovery, so Picard is great by comparison.

I'm also burnt out as fuck on Starfleet centric stories, so any other POV on the Trek universe is a welcome one.

 

[Terthna]

The show that hated me personally was Discovery, so Picard is great by comparison.

I'm also burnt out as fuck on Starfleet centric stories, so any other POV on the Trek universe is a welcome one.

Discovery is far worse, I'll give you that.