Shitposter in Chief Mediates Friendlier Relations between Israel and the UAE

[Harlock]

Here's something which is apparently being under reported. The basic idea of this process, bypassing Palestinians and instead negotiating directly to sovereign states, was Tony Blair's idea. He's still over there as Britain's middle east envoy and is a clear supporter of Israel.
He came up with the idea, did most of the ground work, and Trump is taking all the credit.

So remember to thank Tony, poster boy of the centre left, who actually did the hard work on this one.

 

[PsihoKekec]

Teflon Tony does it again. I wonder how much did he rake in this time.

 

[Arch Dornan]

People who subscribe to the 'end of history' ideology, modern progressivism, or the like, are incapable of pushing an effective peace process forward.

End of history is a load of bullshit. If they know their history the world just marches onward no matter who's in charge.

 

[LordsFire]

End of history is a load of bullshit. If they know their history the world just marches onward no matter who's in charge.

Are you familiar with what the 'end of history' movement actually believes?

 

[Arch Dornan]

Are you familiar with what the 'end of history' movement actually believes?

No I don't but does it have something to do with an utopia and the right side of history? That's what I keep hearing about with TDS and the far left.

 

[Bacle]

Here's something which is apparently being under reported. The basic idea of this process, bypassing Palestinians and instead negotiating directly to sovereign states, was Tony Blair's idea. He's still over there as Britain's middle east envoy and is a clear supporter of Israel.
He came up with the idea, did most of the ground work, and Trump is taking all the credit.

So remember to thank Tony, poster boy of the centre left, who actually did the hard work on this one.

Damn, didn't realize Blair was still politically active.

He should get some credit, but let's be real, this wouldn't have happened without Trump there to put US power behind the idea.

 

[LordsFire]

No I don't but does it have something to do with an utopia and the right side of history? That's what I keep hearing about with TDS and the far left.

It is, essentially, a belief that the end of the Cold War, heralded an end to major warfare, period. Mankind had transcended such nastiness, and while there would be a few brushfire wars here and there, humanity was now sufficiently enlightened that such things were now all in the past.

Basically, they believe that mankind has evolved past being evil, and once enough social support systems are implemented to help people past their tragic traumatic backstories, everyone will become enlightened post-modernists.

This mindset makes them fundamentally incapable of understanding that people will make evil decisions without any sort of external provocation or victimization. IE, if someone is doing something horrific, it's not actually their fault, someone else forced them into it.

Hence, Israel is the malefactor, and Palestine is just a helpless victim, lashing out like a toddler at the mean adult that's torturing it.

 

[Arch Dornan]

It is, essentially, a belief that the end of the Cold War, heralded an end to major warfare, period. Mankind had transcended such nastiness, and while there would be a few brushfire wars here and there, humanity was now sufficiently enlightened that such things were now all in the past.

Basically, they believe that mankind has evolved past being evil, and once enough social support systems are implemented to help people past their tragic traumatic backstories, everyone will become enlightened post-modernists.

This mindset makes them fundamentally incapable of understanding that people will make evil decisions without any sort of external provocation or victimization. IE, if someone is doing something horrific, it's not actually their fault, someone else forced them into it.

Hence, Israel is the malefactor, and Palestine is just a helpless victim, lashing out like a toddler at the mean adult that's torturing it.

That's a very naive way of thinking. You can keep advancing but you can't transcend human nature.

 

[gral]

No I don't but does it have something to do with an utopia and the right side of history? That's what I keep hearing about with TDS and the far left.

'End of History' is yet another load of crap arising from Kantian thought(Kantian philosophy is the basis of liberal foreign relations theory). Premises are:

- Democracies don't go to war against each other, because they don't consider each other existential threats;
- Democracies are more aggressive/war-like with regards to non-democratic regimes, because they do consider non-democratic regimes existential threats;
- With the end of Cold War, non-democratic regimes will all collapse, which will lead to what is described on LordsFire's post above, more exactly its first paragraph.

Basically, they believe that mankind has evolved past being evil, and once enough social support systems are implemented to help people past their tragic traumatic backstories, everyone will become enlightened post-modernists.

Yet another example of Kantian thought here: Human beings are rational; rational beings will always choose good over evil.

I don't think I have to explain what is wrong with the above-mentioned chain of thought.

 

[Arch Dornan]

'End of History' is yet another load of crap arising from Kantian thought(Kantian philosophy is the basis of liberal foreign relations theory). Premises are:

- Democracies don't go to war against each other, because they don't consider each other existential threats;
- Democracies are more aggressive/war-like with regards to non-democratic regimes, because they do consider non-democratic regimes existential threats;
- With the end of Cold War, non-democratic regimes will all collapse, which will lead to what is described on LordsFire's post above, more exactly its first paragraph.



Yet another example of Kantian thought here: Human beings are rational; rational beings will always choose good over evil.

I don't think I have to explain what is wrong with the above-mentioned chain of thought.

Is this the modern form of Imperialism but with democracies as the Empires?

 

[gral]

Is this the modern form of Imperialism but with democracies as the Empires?

It could be seen as that, yes. IMO, it's just one of the elements to a system that can be described as the modern form of Imperialism.

 

[Arch Dornan]

It could be seen as that, yes. IMO, it's just one of the elements to a system that can be described as the modern form of Imperialism.

Plus we already have the elite up to their old tricks. Fucking the underage in degenerate fashion in their private estates and fleecing us common folk while thinking the gravy train will continue. Or just sneaking in hookers and blow when they think no one's looking.

 

[Harlock]

Damn, didn't realize Blair was still politically active.

He should get some credit, but let's be real, this wouldn't have happened without Trump there to put US power behind the idea.

Hopefully, he was there as a guest at the signing. This is something that has been in progress for years, since before the Trump presidency and is mostly Blair and Bibi. Its likely no coincidence the countries involved both have a heavy British diplomatic influence in addition to being US friends.

Blair has a bad rep, a good chunk of it justified, but it's easy to overlook the fact he was really damn good at his job.

 

[Cherico]

Hopefully, he was there as a guest at the signing. This is something that has been in progress for years, since before the Trump presidency and is mostly Blair and Bibi. Its likely no coincidence the countries involved both have a heavy British diplomatic influence in addition to being US friends.

Blair has a bad rep, a good chunk of it justified, but it's easy to overlook the fact he was really damn good at his job.

plus what ever his faults at least he didn't fuck a pig.

 

[GoldRanger]

It is, essentially, a belief that the end of the Cold War, heralded an end to major warfare, period. Mankind had transcended such nastiness, and while there would be a few brushfire wars here and there, humanity was now sufficiently enlightened that such things were now all in the past.

Basically, they believe that mankind has evolved past being evil, and once enough social support systems are implemented to help people past their tragic traumatic backstories, everyone will become enlightened post-modernists.

HAHAHA wow, what a bunch of bullshit. A major war between peer opponents somewhere around the world is just a matter of time, even for Europe (whether in 10 or 100 years, it will come).

 

[LordsFire]

HAHAHA wow, what a bunch of bullshit. A major war between peer opponents somewhere around the world is just a matter of time, even for Europe (whether in 10 or 100 years, it will come).

Certainly. That doesn't mean that hardline ideologues will accept it until it's right on top of us. Much like how most of Europe squirmed to try to avoid WWII, until what could have been a minor or mid-sized war to force Germany to heel, exploded into the largest war in human history.

 

[Zachowon]

Certainly. That doesn't mean that hardline ideologues will accept it until it's right on top of us. Much like how most of Europe squirmed to try to avoid WWII, until what could have been a minor or mid-sized war to force Germany to heel, exploded into the largest war in human history.

HAHAHA wow, what a bunch of bullshit. A major war between peer opponents somewhere around the world is just a matter of time, even for Europe (whether in 10 or 100 years, it will come).

War will be with in the next four to 10. Not in 100 years. China and Russia and Iran. THe big three are the ones we will be going to war with. Should it be China add in North korea..

 

[Arch Dornan]

plus what ever his faults at least he didn't fuck a pig.

Who actually did?

HAHAHA wow, what a bunch of bullshit. A major war between peer opponents somewhere around the world is just a matter of time, even for Europe (whether in 10 or 100 years, it will come).

I wonder if Napoleon would be horrified or fascinated his final defeat was just the beginning of wars even greater than the ones he did.

 

[Typhonis]

Democracies don't go to war on each other? What Bullshit is this? War of 1812 Two great democracies wared on each other. If I'm not mistaken Germany and the others were Democracies in World War 1. Hell wasn't their democracies in Ancient Greece that liked fighting each other WTF man?

 

[Arch Dornan]

Democracies don't go to war on each other? What Bullshit is this? War of 1812 Two great democracies wared on each other. If I'm not mistaken Germany and the others were Democracies in World War 1. Hell wasn't their democracies in Ancient Greece that liked fighting each other WTF man?

It wasn't real democracy?