Serious question about anti-Semitism.

They are.
Because North Korea has ome goal.
Reunite the pen.
They don't want to make it a radioactive wasteland.
Iran wants to wipe out Isreal and America

I am going to have to do research to confirm Iran's insanity for myself. Anyways going to bed, I should be able to stop fighting with people over something that probably really isn't worth fighting over. If anyone is still up for the Iran discussion, I'll continue then.
 
Being against people here advocating genocide is full of it?

I don't recall seeing anyone here calling for genocide.

I see one person saying they'd be fine with Israel taking all Palestinian-held territory and driving the Palestinians out once and for all.

And another saying he wouldn't care if Palestine is destroyed. I'm guessing this is what you saw as a call for genocide, which I do not think is a fair interpretation. It might be fair to say that poster wouldn't care, but that is not the same thing as actively desiring it, though still a far less moral stance than I consider acceptable myself.

The Palestinians on the other hand, have an official and explicit policy of genocide, which they have been acting in accordance with for decades.

Israeli conduct has not been perfect, but by the standards of fighting a war, they have been insanely restrained most of the time. They've also given precisely 0 signs of wanting to conduct genocide as a state policy.
 
Being against people here advocating genocide is full of it? Here is an example of what I am talking about. He literally says the Israelis have the right to genocide a people. And "Palestinian Problem" where have I head that before? Oh wait, actual genocidal murderers. Saying someone is full of it, because they are calling you out for hypocrisy. You can sit and spin, and if you were on the Palestinian side I'd tell you to sit and spin just as much. The only person that is full of it is you.
I suppose we shouldn't have invaded and dismantled Nazi Germany then, and instead tried to find a way to live with Hitler. Because that is what you're saying; that destroying a culture that kills people who are considered "undesirable" is akin to genocide, and therefor wrong.
 
Here's the thing, the things you think Israel is guilty of is also exaggerated BS. Also, Palestinians are a made up ethnic group, they're a bunch Jordanians that were angry that they couldn't exterminate the Jewish people during the Yom Kipper War.
Lol Hlau already addressed the Palestinians not being an ethnic group propaganda you said. I mean where is your evidence for this dumb claim. What if someone claims modern day Israeli or Americans aren’t an ethnic group define that.

I don't think any posters here are calling for "genocide" of Palestinians, they are just saying they are outta fucks to give, and if Israel takes em out then good riddance. Not really caring for a groups well being, isn't the same as "calling for it".
That is different mass exile of people while mean isn’t genocide. And I literally don’t care about Israel or Palestine. I don’t care if Israel pushes Palestinians into the desert or if Palestine pushed the Israeli into the sea. Neither side is my ethnic group or Christian, there are more Palestinians Christians then Israeli. But any Palestine would be a Muslim nation. Muslim or new is the same for me. The only thing that I sympathize with is our shared humanity so while the war is sad nothing can be done about it. What I want from that area is a stable state that won’t destroy historically monuments and will allow Christians to go on pilgrimage there. If they do that which to my knowledge Israel has I will not support BDS and won’t care whatever they do.

I suppose we shouldn't have invaded and dismantled Nazi Germany then, and instead tried to find a way to live with Hitler. Because that is what you're saying; that destroying a culture that kills people who are considered "undesirable" is akin to genocide, and therefor wrong.
Yeah here is the thing we did not end the Germans as a people. Saying end a ethnic group as a people makes you closer to Hitlers ilk than the being the ones who fought him.
 
Yeah here is the thing we did not end the Germans as a people. Saying end a ethnic group as a people makes you closer to Hitlers ilk than the being the ones who fought him.
Actually we did; the the Nazis were Germany. Mostly unwillingly on the part of most Germans, true; but that resistance wouldn't have lasted if we hadn't invaded. Eventually, efforts like the Hitler Youth would have brainwashed future generations into blind obedience to Nazi ideology. When we destroyed the Nazis, we destroyed the then-dominant culture of Germany, and forever changed them as a people.
 
Actually we did; the the Nazis were Germany. Mostly unwillingly on the part of most Germans, true; but that resistance wouldn't have lasted if we hadn't invaded. Eventually, efforts like the Hitler Youth would have brainwashed future generations into blind obedience to Nazi ideology. When we destroyed the Nazis, we destroyed the then-dominant culture of Germany, and forever changed them as a people.
The Nazis are Germany? lol but no, Germany existed way before the 1930's and 20's when the Nazis started to exist. The German Empire under the Kaiser was Germany, the Holy Roman Empire was Germany, the fucking Barbarian tribes were Germany. And modern Germany is also Germany changes does not mean a people were dead. Because if that is the truth you can argue that current Jews have absolutely no right to holy land since they are nothing like the Ancient Isralites, and Israel isn't their homeland.
 
The Nazis are Germany? lol but no, Germany existed way before the 1930's and 20's when the Nazis started to exist. The German Empire under the Kaiser was Germany, the Holy Roman Empire was Germany, the fucking Barbarian tribes were Germany. And modern Germany is also Germany changes does not mean a people were dead. Because if that is the truth you can argue that current Jews have absolutely no right to holy land since they are nothing like the Ancient Isralites, and Israel isn't their homeland.
I'm not interested in arguing semantics with you; just understand that when I said Israel is well within their rights to end the Palestinians as a people, I wasn't talking about them killing every last one. Just their culture, which considers killing Jews (as well as other "infidels"; so don't think they won't try and come for you if they ever manage to conquer Israel) to be a moral good.
 
Lol Hlau already addressed the Palestinians not being an ethnic group propaganda you said. I mean where is your evidence for this dumb claim. What if someone claims modern day Israeli or Americans aren’t an ethnic group define that.
Actually we did; the the Nazis were Germany. Mostly unwillingly on the part of most Germans, true; but that resistance wouldn't have lasted if we hadn't invaded. Eventually, efforts like the Hitler Youth would have brainwashed future generations into blind obedience to Nazi ideology. When we destroyed the Nazis, we destroyed the then-dominant culture of Germany, and forever changed them as a people.
How successful that would be is hard to say. We have similar, longer running efforts in North Korea, PRC and Soviet Union to compare, and the results vary a lot.

However, with the Palestinian situation it is even more complicated. It is a similar "Islamic North Korea" mess with media and education ran by militant organizations over decades with their own recruitment interests in mind, but there is also another layer to the problem - very recent history.

Lets start with few quotes:

Zuheir Mohse, high ranking PLO official, 1977:
"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality, today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct Palestinian people to oppose Zionism."

"For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan."

Prince Hassan of the Jordanian National Assembly, 1970
“Palestine is Jordan and Jordan is Palestine; there is only one land, with one history and one and the same fate.”

Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, an Arab Muslim leader, to Peel Commission in 1937
“There is no such country as Palestine! ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria.”

Syrian President Hafez Assad to Yasser Arafat
“You do not represent Palestine as much as we do. Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian people, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria. Therefore it is we, the Syrian authorities, who are the true representatives of the Palestinian people.”
The people whose quotes i've selected here aren't Zionists saying these things for their own advantage in the conflict, those are leaders of Palestinians and their Arab allies at arms (absolutely no coincidence there).

And something less usual, mentions of "Palestinian people" in written material recorded by Google:

The conclusion is clear. The supposed "Palestinian people" are just Arabs, most closely related to Arabs of Syria and Jordan, tactically rebranding themselves for political reasons, roughly half a century ago. They aren't a separate ethnic group any more than East Germans and West Germans were, or North Koreans and South Koreans are. Possibly less so, as the latter had spent a long time living under distinct and conflicting ideologies and international power blocks, while the Palestinian brand of Arab Nationalism and later Islamism are just a different, sometimes more extreme variation of movements that were fairly notable if not leading in the nearby Arab countries at the same time. After all, if Palestinians are not Arabs, why the hell did Arabs fight several wars for them? On the other hand, it makes a lot of sense for them to fight several wars for fellow Arabs. We know what relations do Arabs of the region have with the distinctly non-Arab ethnic groups of the region, even the Muslim ones like Kurds, Turks or Persians, and its unheard of for them to be so helpful and charitable to those over long periods of time with no clear and big reward in sight.
 
I suppose we shouldn't have invaded and dismantled Nazi Germany then, and instead tried to find a way to live with Hitler. Because that is what you're saying; that destroying a culture that kills people who are considered "undesirable" is akin to genocide, and therefor wrong.
Problem is - it is entire arab culture.You could not conqer them all.And even if Palestinian are descendents of ancient jews who converted to other religions and eventually to islam,they are part of that culture now.
Even if Izrael 2.0 genocided them all,there would be still plenty of them in countries on its border.Which think about jews exactly like palestinians.
 
Problem is - it is entire arab culture.You could not conqer them all.And even if Palestinian are descendents of ancient jews who converted to other religions and eventually to islam,they are part of that culture now.
Even if Izrael 2.0 genocided them all,there would be still plenty of them in countries on its border.Which think about jews exactly like palestinians.
True, but you can't expect Israel to just roll over and die, simply because the entire Middle East wants them to.
 
True, but you can't expect Israel to just roll over and die, simply because the entire Middle East wants them to.
No one is except the Palestinians. Europeans while they chastise Israel haven’t done anything that is a serious threat or hinderance towards Israel. They occasionally make mouth noises to placate Arab nations to get concessions in other areas.
 
No one is except the Palestinians. Europeans while they chastise Israel haven’t done anything that is a serious threat or hinderance towards Israel. They occasionally make mouth noises to placate Arab nations to get concessions in other areas.
You mean every country that isn't the few they have managed to make peace with.
Like Iran
 
You mean every country that isn't the few they have managed to make peace with.
Like Iran
Iran would talk about bad Israel 2.0 - and then go fight....Saudi Arabia.Or Turkey.Becouse that are countries which Iran consider as main antagonists.
 
You mean every country that isn't the few they have managed to make peace with.
Like Iran
No middle eastern nations hate Israel they tolerate it now because they can’t beat Israel but if they could get away with it they would conquer Israel. America meanwhile at least certain segments of it seem obsessed with sucking Israel’s cock and support it no matter what American interests actually are. While other nations that truly don’t give a shit are those like Japan, China, Thailand, some of the European nations. Those are countries that don’t hate Jews or Palestinians have no history in the Middle East.
 
No middle eastern nations hate Israel they tolerate it now because they can’t beat Israel but if they could get away with it they would conquer Israel. America meanwhile at least certain segments of it seem obsessed with sucking Israel’s cock and support it no matter what American interests actually are. While other nations that truly don’t give a shit are those like Japan, China, Thailand, some of the European nations. Those are countries that don’t hate Jews or Palestinians have no history in the Middle East.
We helped make Isreal a country. Same with South korea so we have a VERY close friendship with them. Of course with Isreal it isn't AS close, but same point
 
We helped make Isreal a country. Same with South korea so we have a VERY close friendship with them. Of course with Isreal it isn't AS close, but same point
A few things are wrong we did not help Israel very much at all when they were doing their early war in 48 the most that happened was Truman being the first to recognize Israel. So while that was nice Early Israel actually stood on its own two feet as a nation have to respect that. It’s only in the late 50s and 60s where they have been sucking at our teats and we are guaranteeing their safety. And I think our alliance with Israel is stronger than the alliance with South Korea or Japan or most of NATO. I mean evangelicals new cons call it our greatest ally, the only nation we might value more is the UK and then it’s a toss up.
 
A few things are wrong we did not help Israel very much at all when they were doing their early war in 48 the most that happened was Truman being the first to recognize Israel. So while that was nice Early Israel actually stood on its own two feet as a nation have to respect that. It’s only in the late 50s and 60s where they have been sucking at our teats and we are guaranteeing their safety. And I think our alliance with Israel is stronger than the alliance with South Korea or Japan or most of NATO. I mean evangelicals new cons call it our greatest ally, the only nation we might value more is the UK and then it’s a toss up.
Hell no it is not better then our alliance with South Korea.
We literally have a combined division where ROK and US military work literally next toeach other
 
I think it's fair to say that the US (meaning the federal government) is more interested and invested in Israel than it is in SK. At least per the last figures I found (which were from 2010, and shit might have changed), we do not currently give monetary military aid to SK, we do with Israel. Any military aid we do give to SK comes with the caveat where they have to buy their shit from us, whereas IIRC Israel can spend 25% of our aid on it's own shit, which is something unique. Statements by US leaders are partially warped by the fact that it's seen as something of a partisan issue (whereas SK isn't), but we do not have things happening like the Speaker of the House swearing that if DC was falling, the last thing they would be doing was making sure Israel was supported.

It is also accurate of course that the US military works far more closely with South Korea, that the US has an actual alliance in the sense of defensive agreements with each other, which we don't with Israel, that the US has acted to defend them in the past and that their military serves alongside the US in it's wars whereas Israel is always (at least officially) neutral and has not formally militarily assisted the US in any campaigns.

Basically, on paper the SK and the US have an alliance, and Israel isn't even our ally, let alone our greatest ally. However, in practice Israel seems to be regarded as more important (although this isn't to say that SK is unimportant).
 
I think it's fair to say that the US (meaning the federal government) is more interested and invested in Israel than it is in SK. At least per the last figures I found (which were from 2010, and shit might have changed), we do not currently give monetary military aid to SK, we do with Israel. Any military aid we do give to SK comes with the caveat where they have to buy their shit from us, whereas IIRC Israel can spend 25% of our aid on it's own shit, which is something unique. Statements by US leaders are partially warped by the fact that it's seen as something of a partisan issue (whereas SK isn't), but we do not have things happening like the Speaker of the House swearing that if DC was falling, the last thing they would be doing was making sure Israel was supported.

It is also accurate of course that the US military works far more closely with South Korea, that the US has an actual alliance in the sense of defensive agreements with each other, which we don't with Israel, that the US has acted to defend them in the past and that their military serves alongside the US in it's wars whereas Israel is always (at least officially) neutral and has not formally militarily assisted the US in any campaigns.

Basically, on paper the SK and the US have an alliance, and Israel isn't even our ally, let alone our greatest ally. However, in practice Israel seems to be regarded as more important (although this isn't to say that SK is unimportant).
SK makes a majority of thier own equipment these days mainly buying Helixopters and fighters, and even fighters are going to be made by them.

Besides KATUSAs, they use thier own equipment and everything. Very little is US stuff.
 
And since they don't receive US military aid, that's normal. My point was that IIRC all other countries that do receive US military aid receive it with the stipulation that it be spent on US products. I believe that included SK when they did receive US military aid. Israel is required to spend most of it on US products but can spend a quarter of it on their own products, which is unusual at least and IIRC unique, and I was using it as an example of how the US' relationship with Israel is unusual.
 

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