Serious question about anti-Semitism.

[Cherico]

I find it amusing in a thread literally talking about hatred towards one group, we literally have what appears to me to be people advocating genocide, ethnic cleansing and the like against another. I mean why is this even acceptable?

*Editing out something that is out of line.

The Palastinians have been given chance after chance, have continuously back stabbed their allies, negiotated in bad faith time and time again and purposefully target civilians as a matter of course and base their form of warfare around committing warcrimes.

And they have been doing this for generations now, on top of this their leadership is incredibly corrupt, has a policy of openly murdering homosexuals and is a repressive terrorist state that upon getting what they want would become yet another enemy to any western and pretty much all civilized nations.

In any world where the media wasn't composed of morally bankrupt assholes the PLO would be called out on a daily basis by the united nations.

At some point you just lose all sympathy for them its notible that even the arab world is getting sick of their shit.

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

The Palastinians have been given chance after chance, have continuously back stabbed their allies, negiotated in bad faith time and time again and purposefully target civilians as a matter of course and base their form of warfare around committing warcrimes.

And they have been doing this for generations now, on top of this their leadership is incredibly corrupt, has a policy of openly murdering homosexuals and is a repressive terrorist state that upon getting what they want would become yet another enemy to any western and pretty much all civilized nations.

In any world where the media wasn't composed of morally bankrupt assholes the PLO would be called out on a daily basis by the united nations.

At some point you just lose all sympathy for them its notible that even the arab world is getting sick of their shit.

And how does that justify any of the rhetoric here? It sounds like justification to me.

And the thing is I am livid, if we were in Palestine supporting country, I'd be livid at them. It just seems like there is a clear double standard, no matter which side it is.

 

[The One Char]

I'm gonna show why @King Arts and @Hlaalu Agent are full of it.

Recording of a conversation between the IDF and a Palestinian, attempting to encourage the Palestinian to evacuate children:

Palestinian: I can't get all people out I need at least two hours to get them out of there.
IDF: Listen, we are going to bomb the building.
Palestinian: You want to bomb, bomb whatever you want.
IDF: No brother*, we need to do everything we can so you don't die.
Palestinians: We want to die
IDF: But you have responsibility for the children lives.
Palestinian: If the children need to die then they'll die
IDF: God forbid God forbid what do you want to die?!
Palestinian: This is how we reveal your cruelty.

The "cruelty" of the Israelis is fighting against genocide.

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

I'm gonna show why @King Arts and @Hlaalu Agent are full of it.


The "cruelty" of the Israelis is fighting against genocide.

Being against people here advocating genocide is full of it? Here is an example of what I am talking about. He literally says the Israelis have the right to genocide a people. And "Palestinian Problem" where have I head that before? Oh wait, actual genocidal murderers. Saying someone is full of it, because they are calling you out for hypocrisy. You can sit and spin, and if you were on the Palestinian side I'd tell you to sit and spin just as much. The only person that is full of it is you.

If that's the kind of attitude we have towards our allies, we don't deserve any. At the end of the day, Israel is well within their rights to end the Palestinians as a people. The fact that they haven't, when we have decades of military adventurism and regime changes under our belt, makes them far more of a "1st world western nation" than we will ever be; even if they end up finally doing it one day.

For Pete's sake; we've destroyed nations, killing innocent people in the process. Not because they were an immediate threat, mind you; but because we thought we could get something out of it. We have no right to criticize how Israel decides to handle the Palestinian problem.

 

[The One Char]

Being against people here advocating genocide is full of it? Here is an example of what I am talking about. He literally says the Israelis have the right to genocide a people. And "Palestinian Problem" where have I head that before? Oh wait, actual genocidal murderers. Saying someone is full of it, because they are calling you out for hypocrisy. You can sit and spin, and if you were on the Palestinian side I'd tell you to sit and spin just as much. The only person that is full of it is you.

The Palestinians are 100% the aggressors here. They want to genocide the Jewish people. And I'm out of fuck to give.

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

The Palestinians are 100% the aggressors here. They want to genocide the Jewish people. And I'm out of fuck to give.

No they are not. There is seldom a conflict where anyone is 100% an aggressor, in any ethnic conflict it is always a two way street. If it isn't one of those rare examples, which it is not, it is entirely disingenuous to say otherwise. And the Palestinians are not a hive mind, like any other people they have their own motivations. The fact that you need to tell such dishonesties to shore up your argument, is just fodder for mine.

All I care about is the clear double standards. And we have it here, it is wrong when the side I am against does it, and it is right when the side I support does it. The whole debate distilled down to its essence. If the Palestinian supporters were the dominant clique, I'd be doing the exact same thing. Because morality is universal. No one should be genociding anyone. No one should be forcing people off their land, or stealing their wells or firing rockets at them or race rioting against them and so on. I know that this isn't a perfect world, but we don't need to support and call for outright evil.

It is fucking good Israel wouldn't listen to you people, because as much as I dislike what they are doing. I can see that they aren't doing all of the horrific exaggerated things they are accused of. Plenty of things Israel has done wrong, but luckily they aren't genocidal maniacs like it seems some people here want.

 

[The One Char]

No they are not. There is seldom a conflict where anyone is 100% an aggressor, in any ethnic conflict it is always a two way street. If it isn't one of those rare examples, which it is not, it is entirely disingenuous to say otherwise. And the Palestinians are not a hive mind, like any other people they have their own motivations. The fact that you need to tell such dishonesties to shore up your argument, is just fodder for mine.

All I care about is the clear double standards. And we have it here, it is wrong when the side I am against does it, and it is right when the side I support does it. The whole debate distilled down to its essence. If the Palestinian supporters were the dominant clique, I'd be doing the exact same thing. Because morality is universal. No one should be genociding anyone. No one should be forcing people off their land, or stealing their wells or firing rockets at them or race rioting against them and so on. I know that this isn't a perfect world, but we don't need to support and call for outright evil.

It is fucking good Israel wouldn't listen to you people, because as much as I dislike what they are doing. I can see that they aren't doing all of the horrific exaggerated things they are accused of. Plenty of things Israel has done wrong, but luckily they aren't genocidal maniacs like it seems some people here want.

Here's the thing, the things you think Israel is guilty of is also exaggerated BS. Also, Palestinians are a made up ethnic group, they're a bunch Jordanians that were angry that they couldn't exterminate the Jewish people during the Yom Kipper War.

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

Here's the thing, the things you think Israel is guilty of is also exaggerated BS. Also, Palestinians are a made up ethnic group, they're a bunch Jordanians that were angry that they couldn't exterminate the Jewish people during the Yom Kipper War.

Not really, no. I tend to be conservative in what allegations I take seriously. And I am pretty sure that their ethnogenesis goes way further than that. I am pretty sure that is just a meme created to deny the Palestinians their right to self-determination. And from what I am reading it looks like the identity has roots much further back. Though this isn't to say that this event wasn't pivotal in shaping the identity or finalizing it.

Anyways it is exactly posts like this that make my point. You are saying what you would find objectionable if said by your opposition. I am 90% sure I have heard similar arguments from the pro-Palestinian crowd and see how much it rustles the jimmies of the pro-Israel crowd.

My only hope is that Iran can do something so idiotic that it makes Palestine and Israel go, "APES STRONG TOGETHER". Long past ISIS doing something idiotic that can actually force a peace. I figure that the best way to actually get a peace is for them to have a common enemy that they can be unified in hating.

*Addendum, there is also some motivation of fuck Iran, because seriously fuck them.

 

[The One Char]

My only hope is that Iran can do something so idiotic that it makes Palestine and Israel go, "APES STRONG TOGETHER". Long past ISIS doing something idiotic that can actually force a peace. I figure that the best way to actually get a peace is for them to have a common enemy that they can be unified in hating.

This can literally cannot happen, because because Hamas has been for over a generation brainwashing Palestinian children to "Kill The Jew". Also, Hamas is controlled by Iran.

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

This can literally cannot happen, because because Hamas has been for over a generation brainwashing Palestinian children to "Kill The Jew". Also, Hamas is controlled by Iran.

You mean like (for example) the shows with pretty much regular Mickey Mouse? Well, such things can change, remember that the USA did fund some of the same people who became Al-Queda...though others did become the Northern Alliance.

I am just going to drop the argument I was making and we can continue this particular one about Iran in the actual Israel one. I'd rather have a fruitful argument than just tilt at windmills.

 

[What's the sitch?]

I don't think any posters here are calling for "genocide" of Palestinians, they are just saying they are outta fucks to give, and if Israel takes em out then good riddance. Not really caring for a groups well being, isn't the same as "calling for it".

 

[Zachowon]

You mean like (for example) the shows with pretty much regular Mickey Mouse? Well, such things can change, remember that the USA did fund some of the same people who became Al-Queda...though others did become the Northern Alliance.

I am just going to drop the argument I was making and we can continue this particular one about Iran in the actual Israel one. I'd rather have a fruitful argument than just tilt at windmills.

HAMAS is 100 percent controlled by Iran.
Baacially every group like that is.

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

HAMAS is 100 percent controlled by Iran.
Baacially every group like that is.

Then to reiterate fuck Iran. Though, I guess Iran isn't doing anything that other countries haven't done. Such as how the British riled the Arabs against the Ottomans.

 

[Zachowon]

Then to reiterate fuck Iran. Though, I guess Iran isn't doing anything that other countries haven't done. Such as how the British riled the Arabs against the Ottomans.

Iran wants to comepelty destroy Isreal and America

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

Iran wants to comepelty destroy Isreal and America

That is cute. Just entirely adorable, like a small dog yapping at the legs of a much large dog that could snap it in two.

 

[Zachowon]

That is cute. Just entirely adorable, like a small dog yapping at the legs of a much large dog that could snap it in two.

Why do you think everyone in the mikitary is against giving them nuclear power?
They would use it to Nuke Isreal.

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

Why do you think everyone in the mikitary is against giving them nuclear power?
They would use it to Nuke Isreal.

I don't think Iran is actually that stupid, if the glassed Israel they'd be glasses right back.

Though I guess with fanatics, being destroyed might very well be worth destroying Israel. Yeah, it probably has nothing to do with their stupidity.

 

[Zachowon]

I don't think Iran is actually that stupid, if the glassed Israel they'd be glasses right back.

Though I guess with fanatics, being destroyed might very well be worth destroying Israel. Yeah, it probably has nothing to do with their stupidity.

If you use a group like HAMAS. Easier to get away with things

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

If you use a group like HAMAS. Easier to get away with things

Well then your disposable goons are the ones turned to radioactive glass. Is it just me or is North Korea more trustworthy with the bomb than Iran?

 

[Zachowon]

Well then your disposable goons are the ones turned to radioactive glass. Is it just me or is North Korea more trustworthy with the bomb than Iran?

They are.
Because North Korea has ome goal.
Reunite the pen.
They don't want to make it a radioactive wasteland.
Iran wants to wipe out Isreal and America