The progressive Jews that preach all those progressive ideas are the first ones to denounce Israel and call it "occupied Palestine". Your accusations of dual loyalty have no merit.
Serious question about anti-Semitism.
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The progressive Jews that preach all those progressive ideas are the first ones to denounce Israel and call it "occupied Palestine". Your accusations of dual loyalty have no merit.
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Do they also go on and on about apartheid?
The media's been wailing about it again from the HRW.
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Some are but there is significant overlap with progressive and liberal Jewish organizations and supporting Israel heavily. In fact the ADL as one example.
ADL and Israel | ADL
ADL works to support a secure Jewish and democratic state of Israel, living in peace and security with its neighbors.
Schumer Denounced for 'Absolutely Disgusting' AIPAC Speech
"At AIPAC, Democrats try to outdo Trump in their devotion to Israel's oppression of Palestinians."
www.commondreams.org
here’s a Zionist writer, not Jewish, but the headlines speak for themselves.
Then you have Ben Shapiro who went on about how he “doesn’t give a good damn about the browning of America” but there’s no way he’d advocate that Israel allow for no ethnic or religious Jewish requirement to immigrate and just have open borders. The examples of this are endless of people who will proudly support Israel while condemning Americans who want policies similar or more moderate than Israel on border security and immigration, specifically calling those policies Nazism or white nationalism when advocated for in America. How many more politicians would you like? How many more organizations would you like? I can provide dozens upon dozens.
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Some are but there is significant overlap with progressive and liberal Jewish organizations and supporting Israel heavily. In fact the ADL as one example.
ADL and Israel | ADL
ADL works to support a secure Jewish and democratic state of Israel, living in peace and security with its neighbors.www.adl.org
Here’s Chuck Schumer defending Israel with arguments he calls horrifically racist if made in America.Schumer Denounced for 'Absolutely Disgusting' AIPAC Speech
"At AIPAC, Democrats try to outdo Trump in their devotion to Israel's oppression of Palestinians."
here’s a Zionist writer, not Jewish, but the headlines speak for themselves.
Then you have Ben Shapiro who went on about how he “doesn’t give a good damn about the browning of America” but there’s no way he’d advocate that Israel allow for no ethnic or religious Jewish requirement to immigrate and just have open borders. The examples of this are endless of people who will proudly support Israel while condemning Americans who want policies similar to Israel on border security and immigration, specifically calling those policies Nazism or white nationalism. How many more politicians would you like? How many more organizations would you like? I can provide dozens upon dozens.
I see your point, and yet I say these are not the majority and do not represent Jews or Judaism. In fact, these people are usually (most of them) are Jewish in name only, they barely have anything to do with the religion, and they're not too culturally similar to either religious or Israeli Jews either.
So I'd thank you not to paint us all with a single brush. We get enough shit from the left, we don't need the right shitting on us too.
I specified American Jews, and said that this is the majority of them and what policies they support and what most American Jewish organizations look like. This is statistically accurate given that they make up half the money given to the Democratic Party and a quarter given to Republicans, showing incredibly disproportionate political power and heavy favoritism towards the side that wants to end Americanism entirely. You say Jewish people get shit from the left but Jews are heavily left wing here. They vote that way in America, and yet many still support Israel heavily as well.
US Jews contribute half of all donations to the Democratic party
Jewish donors give 25% of the Republican National Convention’s cash.
www.google.com
In America you have liberal internationalism/socialism and Zionism as the two strongest divisors of Jewish power here. On the far end of the liberal internationalism/socialism spectrum you have the Anti-zionists who do condemn Israel, and on the far end of the Zionist spectrum you have things like the ZOA. But there is a central and strong overlap with liberal Jews on one hand supporting Israel and on the other condemning Americans who don’t want our country to be open borders or our heritage and our culture and our religion preserved.
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The difference is Israel allows in converts. It's a religious nation, not an ethnic state, although those are highly correlated.
Another difference is that Israle is based on religious grounds, while America isn't fundamentally founded on giving different races different treatment. It's founded on Ideals that anyone can follow.
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What's your opinion on a piece of the media where over 300 US lawmakers in a letter call for close to the title's words unconditional support to Israel?Some are but there is significant overlap with progressive and liberal Jewish organizations and supporting Israel heavily. In fact the ADL as one example.
ADL and Israel | ADL
ADL works to support a secure Jewish and democratic state of Israel, living in peace and security with its neighbors.
Here’s Chuck Schumer defending Israel with arguments he calls horrifically racist if made in America.Schumer Denounced for 'Absolutely Disgusting' AIPAC Speech
"At AIPAC, Democrats try to outdo Trump in their devotion to Israel's oppression of Palestinians."
here’s a Zionist writer, not Jewish, but the headlines speak for themselves.
Then you have Ben Shapiro who went on about how he “doesn’t give a good damn about the browning of America” but there’s no way he’d advocate that Israel allow for no ethnic or religious Jewish requirement to immigrate and just have open borders. The examples of this are endless of people who will proudly support Israel while condemning Americans who want policies similar or more moderate than Israel on border security and immigration, specifically calling those policies Nazism or white nationalism when advocated for in America. How many more politicians would you like? How many more organizations would you like? I can provide dozens upon dozens.
Leaving aside everything else I would believe if the US wants to maintain influence in the middle east with a country that is influenced by the West they'd maintain their relations with them.
it’s both, because you can be an atheist but if you can show ethnic Jewish heritage that’s a far quicker way to get entry and also totally valid, in fact the main and exceedingly easy way to immigrate.
America was founded on both Ethnic and religious grounds, given we only allowed white naturalization and factored in ethnic demographics into our immigration policy all the way up to 1965. And yeah, anyone can follow Christianity too lol, which many of our founding fathers stated was integral to our nation, and has been a characteristic of the population, of our culture, of our tradition, of our way of life since we began. Just because it wasn’t enshrined specifically in government doesn’t make it not an integral part of Americanism and America and our history.
I think the wealth has a lot more to do with the fact that we expect things to go to shit.
Seriously I save money every paycheck and purposefully live below my means because I know that eventally things will go to shit, doing this has saved my ass more then once.
To every one else always try to have at least 3 months of savings incase of fuckery.
There’s multiple reasons for it. For one Jews have the highest IQs on average along with East Asians so they are genetically predisposed to having higher success in work that involves intellect, and then they have many organizations specifically for those in the Jewish community to help them to do well and to succeed, and then you have that they were early adopters and financiers of multiple industries that took off incredibly.
True in western Europe.In most muslim countries and Poland they could live freely,but still choosed living in gettos.
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How much does anti semitism go towards sex abuse?
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Looking deeper it's a documentation problem. The people being deported are undocumented.
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Why did they allow these loonies in at all?
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International pressure.
In other worlds,that religious states could defend their borders,and USA could not.
If you are right, USA either become christian state and survive,or not and cease to exist.
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Pogroms are going to be popular this year.
No, unlike when it happens to white children, this will be shut down and condemned immediately with white supremacists to blame at least in part. Progroms will not ever be popular because there are extremely large, powerful, and well funded groups to address antisemitism and let you know about each and every instance of it, even if it’s just a tweet or poorly sprayed fake swastika, and will spend lots of time and money to hunt down and destroy these perpetrators even when, again, it’s merely a tweet. This kind of story is extremely useful and popular to the powers that be in America to play from the racial angle and to push that there is a rise in antisemitism, because antisemitism is regarded as the worst evil imaginable, more than regular racism, or islamophobia, or homophobia, or really any other one.
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Arch Dornan
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The protests and counter protests are very visible across the globe in a time of unemployment and toxic social media. We have four years to see if it'll escalate or not into more riots.
Can you ever not make shit about 'whiteness' and your obsession with how 'the Jews' are just another group going against 'whites'?