United States Russiagate cringe compilation-Major Backfire

Lanmandragon

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I did say willingly didn't I. Obama should at the very least be investigated and if sufficient evidence is found directly implicating him charged like any other citizen as should Hillary and countless other politicians
Yes this fucking politicians are just men not "leaders". They should be and are beholden to the law or your a slave. There is no middle ground everyone including poloticians are equal before the law or your thier slave.
 

Isem

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"Accept he bettered rhe nation and tried to destroy your nation". There translated it for you but whatever bro. Have a good life
Welcome to politics where one has the fun job of deciding whether it hurts the nation more or less to do something that would be just. You're free to dislike that and me along with it if you want to but it'll do you no good to get upset about it.
 

Lanmandragon

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Welcome to politics where one has the fun job of deciding whether it hurts the nation more or less to do something that would be just. You're free to dislike that and me along with it if you want to but it'll do you no good to get upset about it.
Uh huh is POTUS above the law? Because that's exactly what your saying. Because frankly if that's seriously the case then it's time for violence. Because that means by definition POTUS is a tyrant you wling to bow to a king son?
 

Lanmandragon

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Know what I'm sorry you do you homie. If he's not charged I'll do what I believe is right and necessary. I'm done with this better dead then a slave.
 

Isem

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Uh huh is POTUS above the law? Because that's exactly what your saying. Because frankly if that's seriously the case then it's time for violence. Because that means by definition POTUS is a tyrant you wling to bow to a king son?
That question is more about current POTUS then former but for the most part yes they are? The position gets away with a lot of things that are of shall we say "questionable legality". If you want one example you can look at Obama drone striking an American by accident while trying to get his father, who he had ordered to be drone struck without due process. Now said father was a terrorist but that's still not exactly legal even if they claimed it was after the fact. And that's an example that's not even the subject of contention.

Your main recourse for justice is impeaching them during their term in office and that requires a pretty substantial fuck up to go through. Aside from that though you don't actually have much ways to bring a president to task, in part because the executive tends to require some amount of leeway in order to govern effectively.

As for former POTUSes now you're in the aforementioned issue where every person now serving as president has to keep looking over their shoulder out of concern that his successor might decide to use anything he does as an excuse to jail him which will stifle their ability to actually do their job.
 

Lanmandragon

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That question is more about current POTUS then former but for the most part yes they are? The position gets away with a lot of things that are of shall we say "questionable legality". If you want one example you can look at Obama drone striking an American by accident while trying to get his father, who he had ordered to be drone struck without due process. Now said father was a terrorist but that's still not exactly legal even if they claimed it was after the fact. And that's an example that's not even the subject of contention.

Your main recourse for justice is impeaching them during their term in office and that requires a pretty substantial fuck up to go through. Aside from that though you don't actually have much ways to bring a president to task, in part because the executive tends to require some amount of leeway in order to govern effectively.

As for former POTUSes now you're in the aforementioned issue where every person now serving as president has to keep looking over their shoulder out of concern that his successor might decide to use anything he does as an excuse to jail him which will stifle their ability to actually do their job.
Your recourse is "impeachment" not mine but ok. I've already decided exactly what I'm going to do have a good night bud.
 

Terthna

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I kinda doubt they're going to arrest Obama even if he did do enough to deserve it, mainly because no one wants to set the precedent for arresting presidents after their term is over for something they did in office.
The Democrats have already set in stone the precedent that impeachment is a partisan political weapon; if they're still around after Trump's second term, I have no doubt they will try to arrest him for his actions as president until the day he dies. With that in mind, the Republicans might as well strike first.



That question is more about current POTUS then former but for the most part yes they are? The position gets away with a lot of things that are of shall we say "questionable legality". If you want one example you can look at Obama drone striking an American by accident while trying to get his father, who he had ordered to be drone struck without due process. Now said father was a terrorist but that's still not exactly legal even if they claimed it was after the fact. And that's an example that's not even the subject of contention.

Your main recourse for justice is impeaching them during their term in office and that requires a pretty substantial fuck up to go through. Aside from that though you don't actually have much ways to bring a president to task, in part because the executive tends to require some amount of leeway in order to govern effectively.

As for former POTUSes now you're in the aforementioned issue where every person now serving as president has to keep looking over their shoulder out of concern that his successor might decide to use anything he does as an excuse to jail him which will stifle their ability to actually do their job.
Even the articles you cite points out that the son was killed two weeks after his terrorist father was assassinated; that wasn't an accident, it was a deliberate execution. In fact, at the time, a senior adviser to the president's campaign suggested he should've "had a more responsible father."
In my mind, the Obama administration openly murdered an innocent boy, an American citizen no less, solely because of who his father was; and the fact that they were never held accountable, is proof that our political system was fundamentally damaged beyond repair, even before Trump Derangement Syndrome took hold.
 

Abhorsen

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Your main recourse for justice is impeaching them during their term in office and that requires a pretty substantial fuck up to go through. Aside from that though you don't actually have much ways to bring a president to task, in part because the executive tends to require some amount of leeway in order to govern effectively.
I don't think so. At somepoint, ruining a reputation through the truth is much worse and much easier to do than anything else one can do to them.
 

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The problem with the Flynn thing is that it isn't unusual. The FBI constantly tries to get people to lie to them, so they can get convictions. In Flynn's case, the right thing is being done, but in general, I think they need to tighten up the law itself.
 

Cherico

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The problem with the Flynn thing is that it isn't unusual. The FBI constantly tries to get people to lie to them, so they can get convictions. In Flynn's case, the right thing is being done, but in general, I think they need to tighten up the law itself.


or how about scrapping the FBI entirely? Homeland security does their primary job and everything else they done is being done by other agencies their redundant get rid of the whole thing.
 

Abhorsen

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or how about scrapping the FBI entirely? Homeland security does their primary job and everything else they done is being done by other agencies their redundant get rid of the whole thing.
No, the FBI does vital stuff, namely coordination of law enforcement at the national level and counterintelligence. The other agencies are really the ones I see as redundant.
 

Isem

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The Democrats have already set in stone the precedent that impeachment is a partisan political weapon; if they're still around after Trump's second term, I have no doubt they will try to arrest him for his actions as president until the day he dies. With that in mind, the Republicans might as well strike first.
Eh it probably depends on how much of a nuisance Trump is to them after his term as presidency ends (which tbf knowing Trump he probably will be). If he doesn't cause them too much trouble they'll probably do the same thing they did with Bush and just go "oh he wasn't actually that bad now this new Republican candidate now he's Super Hitler and plans to ruin America forever".
Even the articles you cite points out that the son was killed two weeks after his terrorist father was assassinated; that wasn't an accident, it was a deliberate execution. In fact, at the time, a senior adviser to the president's campaign suggested he should've "had a more responsible father."
I'm not 100% familiar with the exact details, mostly that it happened and "interesting" quotes and justifications like that came out of it and in the end not only did no actual pushback happened but people mostly just forgot about it.
 

Terthna

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I'm not 100% familiar with the exact details, mostly that it happened and "interesting" quotes and justifications like that came out of it and in the end not only did no actual pushback happened but people mostly just forgot about it.
You have no idea how much that fact infuriates me to this day. The president of the United States of American had an American citizen, a minor no less, executed for no justifiable reason, and almost nobody cared; it's one of the many, many reasons I was convinced this country was doomed to an endless downward authoritarian spiral, and that nothing would drag us out of it. Thank heavens for Trump; he isn't perfect, but his election and actions in office have managed to make me believe that there's still hope for this country, and criminally charging Obama for what he did is another necessary step on that road to recovery for our nation.
 

LordsFire

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This is what I expected to happen. Can't really say they're going to jump into an investigation of Biden/Obama during an election without causing excessive backlash. Let the blow to Obama's reputation be his punishment.


I don't like it. I really don't like it.

But.

If every single subordinate involved in this horrific attempt to destroy the republic can get nailed to the wall, I'll take it. If it can be made 100% clear that if you follow the directives (explicit or implied) of the President to commit gross abuse of powers and corruption offenses, you will end up in prison for the rest of your life...

...It'll be good enough. People won't be willing to try this shit again for some time.

If we can't start 'taking heads' metaphorically for these offenses?

I'm going to start buying more guns, and practicing more often. Because if one political party has complete immunity to turn the weight of the government against the President himself, then the rule of law is completely dead.
 

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