United States Russiagate cringe compilation-Major Backfire

[Abhorsen]

'The proper and just course': DOJ drops charges against Michael Flynn

President Trump’s former national security adviser Michael Flynn is off the hook.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

And the case vs Flynn was dismissed with prejudice. It's dead for good.

But despite protest and even greater injustice, the case against Brady went on, and the injustice handed to him still exists. Where's the justice for Brady? What about his four game suspension? That should have been dismissed with prejudice.

Also, if you're looking for a better title for the thread, call it Russiagategate. Don't steal Spygate, the Pats earned that and got passed it through our own dirty dealings! These Russiagategate people should learn from us!

Free Brady! Fire Goodell!

EDIT: SUCCESS! The good name of Spygate has been preserved! I do prefer Russiagategate, but I'll take Russiagate.

 

[Airedale260]

It looks like the FBI had a political agenda, and pushed things to the level were quite a few people would be fired in a less politized environment. 2020 is the election and I honestly think that if Trump wins there will be deep conquences for this behavior.

The FBI leadership, at least. There's a big divide between the rank and file field agents and the leadership in DC. At least DOJ is putting them in their place. Also, the judge here is the same one who oversaw the Ted Stevens corruption case and got really pissed off when it turned out DOJ deliberately withheld exculpatory evidence, so he's likely to take these idiots to task as well.

Of course the usual suspects are screaming about how unfair it is, how Barr should be jailed (never mind that he didn't actually give the order), blah blah blah blah blah.

About damn time it was fixed. Hopefully Durham's report comes out and indisputably shows what we all suspect which is, yes, Obama era officials did in fact try and undermine an opposing political candidate.

That'll send some serious shockwaves and result in a backlash

 

[Arch Dornan]

Is this the new Watergate?

 

[LordsFire]

Is this the new Watergate?

Watergate was chump change compared to this. Watergate was about party operatives breaking in to the other party's files and the like, then government officials trying to cover that up.

This is about government officials knowingly creating false charges, hiding exculpatory evidence, and trying to overturn the results of a lawful election via abuse of the power of government.

Arguably, this could extend to full-up treason.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Watergate was chump change compared to this. Watergate was about party operatives breaking in to the other party's files and the like, then government officials trying to cover that up.

This is about government officials knowingly creating false charges, hiding exculpatory evidence, and trying to overturn the results of a lawful election via abuse of the power of government.

Arguably, this could extend to full-up treason.

A good time to start draining the swamp.

 

[PsihoKekec]

The good time to drain the swamp was in 2016, but Republicunts themselves are swamp creatures as well and have stymied all the efforts.

 

[UltimatePaladin]

Arguably, this could extend to full-up treason.

That isn't the case.

"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."

Removing the legal speak, you have to be directly helping or fighting for the enemies of the United States (while being a US Citizen) for it to qualify as treason. The US' definition is sort of special, in that regard.

 

[Cherico]

Shift is going to have a real bad time real soon, Trump curse is looking more and more legit with time.

 

[Doomsought]

Why haven't these people been arrested yet?

 

[PsihoKekec]

Because they are protected by the swamp.

 

[Arch Dornan]

New Docs Tie Obama in to Effort Against Flynn, Biden Also in Room

Dang, there it is, Obama knew...

www.redstate.com

Thanks Obama and Biden.

 

[Arch Dornan]

What a way to tarnish the Obama legacy which is beginning to not look good.

Everything Trump was accused of doing? The democrats were doing with the FBI'S help.

 

[commanderkai]

This SHOULD make everybody angry, no matter what their political allegiances. If the Obama administration was treated in similar manner, heads would roll, but I don't see it happening anytime soon.

Part of it is the sheer media complicity in this whole thing. Half of these assholes are now CNN or MSNBC contributors.

 

[Emperor Tippy]

This SHOULD make everybody angry, no matter what their political allegiances. If the Obama administration was treated in similar manner, heads would roll, but I don't see it happening anytime soon.

Part of it is the sheer media complicity in this whole thing. Half of these assholes are now CNN or MSNBC contributors.

One of the reasons that I wanted Comey gone even before the allegations vis a vi spying on Trump came about.

His antics with Hillary's e-mails were utterly unacceptable. Oh, she was guilty and should have been punished but Comey's "October Surprise" had the (blatant) appearance of interfering in the Presidential election and no excuse for that should have been acceptable. We had Hoover once; never again.

One reason that I hope Trump gets a second term and keeps Barr as AG is because we might, finally, get the FBI properly gutted and rebuilt. For all the shit the CIA and NSA gets accused of, the FBI is the federal organization with both the deepest history of interference in domestic US politics and the greatest power to play kingmaker.

The NSA considers laws to be (at best) quaint suggestions and electronic privacy to be a privilege reserved for themselves but they are also almost violently apolitical.

As for the CIA, they are busy enough manipulating foreign states and have incredibly bad domestic PR (deliberately and for good reason); their ability to play the games the FBI gets up to is highly limited.

 

[Cherico]

Id like to note that every thing the FBI does is also done by another federal group.

We could probally just get rid of the organization as a whole and it would save us money.

 

[Emperor Tippy]

Id like to note that every thing the FBI does is also done by another federal group.

We could probally just get rid of the organization as a whole and it would save us money.

Not really. I mean when need the FBI.

The US needs a general, federal, law enforcement agency for lots of reasons. It also needs a strong counter-intelligence agency.

You really do want Counter Intel cabined off from intel as it forces your opposition to double their work. If they want to find out what you know/how they are penetrated then they need to penetrate your intel agency, while if they want to protect their own spies then they need to penetrate your counter-intel agency.

Counter Intel is also a largely domestic affair with a great deal more nuance and delicacy required than what intel demands. It almost inherently has to be part of law enforcement as it (generally speaking) inherently has to obey the same laws as regular law enforcement. I mean what is the worth of the 4th Amendment if the government can just ignore it on the suspicion that someone is a foreign agent?

So yes, we need and FBI. What we don't need is the legacy of Hoover or an FBI that acts (or thinks of itself) as anything like a praetorian guard. And the only way you are realistically going to get that is to gut the upper ranks of the FBI and refill them. Frankly, if it was up to me then the law would be that none of the top rank of the FBI can be current or former FBI employees. I want the Director of the FBI to be a political appointee with both no inherent loyalty to the organization and no personally loyal support base. Will that occasionally result in the process being corrupted to protect connected individuals? Yes. Is that an acceptable price to pay to ensure that the FBI can't become a power broker or praetorian in its own right? Yes.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

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I'm not too keen on that idea. I mean, that's just begging for the next president to appoint a loyal FBI director who purges the FBI and serves as their attack dog.

 

[Cherico]

Not really. I mean when need the FBI.

The US needs a general, federal, law enforcement agency for lots of reasons. It also needs a strong counter-intelligence agency.

You really do want Counter Intel cabined off from intel as it forces your opposition to double their work. If they want to find out what you know/how they are penetrated then they need to penetrate your intel agency, while if they want to protect their own spies then they need to penetrate your counter-intel agency.

Counter Intel is also a largely domestic affair with a great deal more nuance and delicacy required than what intel demands. It almost inherently has to be part of law enforcement as it (generally speaking) inherently has to obey the same laws as regular law enforcement. I mean what is the worth of the 4th Amendment if the government can just ignore it on the suspicion that someone is a foreign agent?

So yes, we need and FBI. What we don't need is the legacy of Hoover or an FBI that acts (or thinks of itself) as anything like a praetorian guard. And the only way you are realistically going to get that is to gut the upper ranks of the FBI and refill them. Frankly, if it was up to me then the law would be that none of the top rank of the FBI can be current or former FBI employees. I want the Director of the FBI to be a political appointee with both no inherent loyalty to the organization and no personally loyal support base. Will that occasionally result in the process being corrupted to protect connected individuals? Yes. Is that an acceptable price to pay to ensure that the FBI can't become a power broker or praetorian in its own right? Yes.

the problem with this is that all of the stuff you talked about? Its homeland security stuff.

George W bush literally made the FBI redundent.

 

[Doomsought]

I'm not too keen on that idea. I mean, that's just begging for the next president to appoint a loyal FBI director who purges the FBI and serves as their attack dog.

Problem: That has already happened.

 

[Emperor Tippy]

I'm not too keen on that idea. I mean, that's just begging for the next president to appoint a loyal FBI director who purges the FBI and serves as their attack dog.

Realistically, it's not a thing. Purge and replace takes time, and without the rank and file & middle management onboard it takes a lot of time. Especially when the turnover is fairly regular.

You get a new administration and with them a new top tier of the FBI, but between Senate approval and the hiring process you are realistically looking at at least a year for those positions to be fully replaced. Building loyalty with subordinates to the point where they are willing to act outside their remit for their political lords and masters takes years longer.

Honestly, you need at least two terms and probably more likely three or four to actually be able to capture the FBI to the point where it could resemble an attack dog.

Even then, it is better to have it be an attack dog held by elected officials than a player in its own right (which is what it is now).