Russia Getting new Amphibious Helicopter Assault Ships

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Somewhat of a replacement for the Mistral-class that Russia (with some controversy even in making the order in the first place) never managed to get from France several years ago. A 40,000 ton Universal Amphibious Assault Ship with the ability to carry helicopters, armored vehicles, air defense systems and several hundred naval infantrymen.

Interfax said:
As Interfax reported, in July 2020, the first two ships of Project 23900, developed as an alternative to the French Mistral helicopter carriers, were laid down at the Zaliv plant in Crimea. Universal amphibious assault ships (UDC) are designed to receive, transport and disembark amphibious assault forces using landing boats and helicopters. An industry source told Interfax that these ships could go to the Pacific Fleet. "The decision will be made by the Ministry of Defense, based on the assessment of the balance of forces at sea," the source said.
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Stupidity.Whom they would attack in Pacyfic? Japan? they would kick their asses.The same goeas gor South Korea,and China,and North Korea is their ally.
On Baltic or Black sea it would have sense,so they probably lie and send them there.
 
Helicopter carrier in Pacific is meant as support for garrisons on Sakhalin and Kuril islands.
 
The crew seems oddly small - 320 men? Greasemonkeys servicing the flying thingies not included?
BTW - I know that the Russian language likes to mash words together, but "morpeh", i.e. marinf (from "marine infantry")? One morpeh, two or more morpehs ... sounds awful ...
 
PsihoKekec said:
Helicopter carrier in Pacific is meant as support for garrisons on Sakhalin and Kuril islands.
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Japan would not reclaim their lands by force,and if China take it one carrier would not help.If they were smart,thay would return both Sakhalin and Kuril islands to Japan - and watch how they fought with China later.
 
Projects like these are long term investments. There's no way of knowing the geopolitical situation in ten or twenty years. Plus having that capability and institutional knowledge and operational familiarity with such a vessel for a country and military of that size is probably seen as a good idea (though there was controversy back when Russia bought the Mistral-class from France as to whether they needed it or not.

Plus it can be used for show of force or prestige or disaster relief, peacekeeping/rapid reaction or whatever as well.
 
Huh, a design such as this with some tweaks would make for a good light aircraft carrier. Does Russia have VTOL jets it can put on them?
 
Lord Sovereign said:
Huh, a design such as this with some tweaks would make for a good light aircraft carrier. Does Russia have VTOL jets it can put on them?
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I don't think so? Not for lack of trying though: the Soviet Union funded the Yakovlev Yak-38 and the Yakovlev Yak-141, which were test craft before being canceled for one reason or another. National Interest reports that they may be trying again, but it remains to be seen how effective this attempt will be.
 
Navarro said:
Russia has far less military budget than the USSR did, so probably not very.
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They managed to make a 5th gen stealth fighter. Sure, not as good as the F-22, but for a country outside of America and still recovering from communism, that's a good show. Even bitch basic VTOLs they could put on a pair of light carriers would increase the power of the Russian Navy by a few orders of magnitude.
 
Lord Sovereign said:
They managed to make a 5th gen stealth fighter. Sure, not as good as the F-22, but for a country outside of America and still recovering from communism, that's a good show. Even bitch basic VTOLs they could put on a pair of light carriers would increase the power of the Russian Navy by a few orders of magnitude.
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They created a 5th gen fighter and havnt even entered full production yet, and are starting to make and field them when the US is already getting onto theb6th gen and planning to retire the f22 early..
 
ATP said:
Japan would not reclaim their lands by force,and if China take it one carrier would not help.If they were smart,thay would return both Sakhalin and Kuril islands to Japan - and watch how they fought with China later.
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Russia doesn't want the US to have bases on those islands, and giving them back to Japan opens them up for that use.

Anyway, I'm kinda surprised it took Russia this long to try to create thier own LHD/helo carrier equivalent.

My guess is after the dock fire and crane collapse on their only carrier, they realized they needed new ships for the naval air arm.
 
They were trying to get such ships before in cooperation with France, but after the coup in Ukraine that plan fell through. They also built light carriers during the Cold war, but lost capabilities during their 90s collapse.
 
PsihoKekec said:
They were trying to get such ships before in cooperation with France, but after the coup in Ukraine that plan fell through. They also built light carriers during the Cold war, but lost capabilities during their 90s collapse.
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Indeed - but why they even try? they are not superpower anymore,only local power.For invading Ukraine,Baltic,Poland,or even Turkey they do not need any fleet at all,so why bother?
They should keep submarines/especially boomers/ ,some shore defense ships and nothing more.All country which they could invade now could be invaded without fleet,after all.
 
ATP said:
Indeed - but why they even try? they are not superpower anymore,only local power.For invading Ukraine,Baltic,Poland,or even Turkey they do not need any fleet at all,so why bother?
They should keep submarines/especially boomers/ ,some shore defense ships and nothing more.All country which they could invade now could be invaded without fleet,after all.
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They are thinking about control of the Arctic and operations in the Pacific or around Africa (where they just leased a new base on the Red Sea).

These ships are useful as ASW platforms as well, which counts towards the 'defense' purpose.
 
PsihoKekec said:
Helicopter carrier in Pacific is meant as support for garrisons on Sakhalin and Kuril islands.
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This, among other things. Reminder that such ships work great for general logistical problems and disaster situations, something not unheard of in the Russian Far East.

Also lets not forget about Russia's adventures in Syria, in which a ship like that would be very nice to have, and similar or perhaps more representational visits to other distant Russia friendly countries like Cuba, Vietnam or Venezuela.
ATP said:
Stupidity.Whom they would attack in Pacyfic? Japan? they would kick their asses.The same goeas gor South Korea,and China,and North Korea is their ally.
On Baltic or Black sea it would have sense,so they probably lie and send them there.
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No it wouldn't, they have land bases for aircraft there, and the whole Baltic basin is swarming with air forces, shore missile batteries and small subs with lots of ordnance and too few worthy surface targets.
 
Bacle said:
They are thinking about control of the Arctic and operations in the Pacific or around Africa (where they just leased a new base on the Red Sea).

These ships are useful as ASW platforms as well, which counts towards the 'defense' purpose.
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Arctic,i undarstandt,but why Africa? if there would be war with any real opponent,they could not support that base.
And Arctic they could control with land aircrafts.
 
ATP said:
Arctic,i undarstandt,but why Africa? if there would be war with any real opponent,they could not support that base.
And Arctic they could control with land aircrafts.
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Warm water logistics base not bottled up in the Black Sea.

Also gives them a base on both side of the Suez; Tartus in Syria, and the new one on the Red Sea.
 
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