Middle East Running Iranian threat news and discussion thread

[PsihoKekec]

Also is china wanting to get involved with Iran?

No and neither does Russia.

 

[Zachowon]

I'm curious about how you think this could lead to the next world war. I don't see Iran having remotely enough power, or friends with enough power, to cause that.

No and neither does Russia.

Oh people are freaking out claiming war with Iran will cause world war 3. Dont know why.

And I thought so. I have seen people claim russia or china will go with this

 

[Floridaman]

Oh people are freaking out claiming war with Iran will cause world war 3. Dont know why.

And I thought so. I have seen people claim russia or china will go with this

People have been freaking out over anything. Remember a few years ago when the Californians were grovelling to Kim saying it is "their state that would get nuked" this is simply second verse same as the first.

 

[Marduk]

Oh people are freaking out claiming war with Iran will cause world war 3. Dont know why.

And I thought so. I have seen people claim russia or china will go with this

One thing all these people are forgetting that in this case, Iran got caught red handed, doing something that's a pretty big no-no in international relations. China and Russia can say the usual things, but everyone knows they won't do shit, because in this case it's not a western move to push over Iran, it's Iran getting caught pushing over Iraq.

 

[Zachowon]

People have been freaking out over anything. Remember a few years ago when the Californians were grovelling to Kim saying it is "their state that would get nuked" this is simply second verse same as the first.

It seems a lot more are thinking it real this time

One thing all these people are forgetting that in this case, Iran got caught red handed, doing something that's a pretty big no-no in international relations. China and Russia can say the usual things, but everyone knows they won't do shit, because in this case it's not a western move to push over Iran, it's Iran getting caught pushing over Iraq.

So it is unlikely china and Russia will help them

 

[Cherico]

It seems a lot more are thinking it real this time

So it is unlikely china and Russia will help them

China and Russia really like that rule in international relations that says embassies and diplomats are off limits.


So no.

 

[Darmani]

One thing all these people are forgetting that in this case, Iran got caught red handed, doing something that's a pretty big no-no in international relations. China and Russia can say the usual things, but everyone knows they won't do shit, because in this case it's not a western move to push over Iran, it's Iran getting caught pushing over Iraq.

I know it's wrong to get First Impressions from Twitter unfortunately that's when I first heard the news. Could someone really induct this to me I'm really ignorant of what's been going on in Iran aside from I think they were trying to get a nuke program that may or may not allow them to get weapons and maybe there were protests or something


That doesn't change the fact that everyone's going kind of ballistic and figures that this is going to be the beginning of a new front in the war in the Middle East
this isn't the first time Trump has ordered bombing but it feels as if people are acting like this is going to set something off as opposed to end a conflict that's ongoing

At the very least we didn't care about anything until after the fact and Trump is trying to Compass app with American flag tweeting. I don't even like everybody jumping on every time he says something kind of crude and even I have to wince at how he's handling the situation

 

[Floridaman]

It seems a lot more are thinking it real this time

So it is unlikely china and Russia will help them

It is election season, of course more people are reacting, this year is when they can feasibly remove him from office by an election, rather than relying on conspiracy nonsense.
Russia and China won't get directly involved because if they do we will get directly involved in things like what Russia is doing in Ukraine. Proxies is the name of the game, this has been the case since the cold war.

 

[Arch Dornan]

One thing all these people are forgetting that in this case, Iran got caught red handed, doing something that's a pretty big no-no in international relations. China and Russia can say the usual things, but everyone knows they won't do shit, because in this case it's not a western move to push over Iran, it's Iran getting caught pushing over Iraq.

From stuff I read on Reddit, it's probable the embassy was a prelude for ops to get the US and undesirables to GTFO or die.

If they had their way there could be an Iranian Tet Offensive or other one after it under the assumption they can get away with it while the world watches.

Except one of their top men got killed so that plan has gone astray.

 

[Terthna]

Oh people are freaking out claiming war with Iran will cause world war 3. Dont know why.

As far as I can tell, it's just some meme being passed around amongst regressive left circles; and as is almost always the case, there is no evidence being presented to support such a notion. I first found out about it in an argument with my aunt, who said to "mark her words" (which is funny, because every time she's said that in the past, things never ended up panning out the way she insisted they would) that Trump just started a war with Russia, China, and North Korea; and when I pointed out how asinine that was, she just looked down her nose at me and insisted that I just hadn't done my research. Which in her mind probably amounts to little more than watching MSNBC, and accepting whatever drivel they spew as gospel.

 

[Zachowon]

It is election season, of course more people are reacting, this year is when they can feasibly remove him from office by an election, rather than relying on conspiracy nonsense.
Russia and China won't get directly involved because if they do we will get directly involved in things like what Russia is doing in Ukraine. Proxies is the name of the game, this has been the case since the cold war.

So Russia is like "get involved and lose Ukraine...or stay out of it"? Seems right.

As far as I can tell, it's just some meme being passed around amongst regressive left circles; and as is almost always the case, there is no evidence being presented to support such a notion. I first found out about it in an argument with my aunt, who said to "mark her words" (which is funny, because every time she's said that in the past, things never ended up panning out the way she insisted they would) that Trump just started a war with Russia, China, and North Korea; and when I pointed out how asinine that was, she just looked down her nose at me and insisted that I just hadn't done my research. Which in her mind probably amounts to little more than watching MSNBC, and accepting whatever drivel they spew as gospel.

I see. People in my MOS training (other students) also seem to beilive it as well.

But does anyone here think we will actually go to war with Iran?

 

[Arch Dornan]

So Russia is like "get involved and lose Ukraine...or stay out of it"? Seems right.

I see. People in my MOS training (other students) also seem to beilive it as well.

But does anyone here think we will actually go to war with Iran?

After the euphoria has passed I don't think so unless Iran strikes first and the US then backhands them.

Trump did hold of on a strike on Iran's actual airspace didn't he?

But the video of his funeral may mean a vengeful counterattack.

 

[almostinsane]

So Russia is like "get involved and lose Ukraine...or stay out of it"? Seems right.

I see. People in my MOS training (other students) also seem to beilive it as well.

But does anyone here think we will actually go to war with Iran?

Most likely, no. At the hottest, we'd bomb their military infrastructure and eat popcorn while the protesters they've been crushing off and on for the past year or so get the idea that the government they hate is weak.

 

[PsihoKekec]

Well, the Iranian government has to strike back or appear weak, sothe potential for escalation is there. However assasination of Suleimani means that Trump is willing to escalate too, perhaps even more than what they are willing to accept, so it's possible they will do an attack that they present as great moral victory in their propaganda, while at the same time not pissing off Americans too much. It's quite possible they would strike at the Saudi interests instead, claiming they were actually behind the attack.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Yep, that's the guy.

Ok. Was that bomb chart effective in his presentation or did he knew what he was doing with that?

No, Bibi was a special forces Captain, not in Intelligence.

I misremembered his old job which he had a good record of doing from the source you posted about his desire to cripple Iran's nuclear program.

Has corruption allegations, yes, but not involving his son to my knowledge (although the son is infamous in his own way).

Yes his son from memory did basic hedonistic things that I'm sure most politician fathers would disapprove of.

Nope. He basically tied twice. Israel is having the third elections in a year because of the repeated stalemates (a bit more complicated than that in reality, but I don't feel like getting in depth into Israel's political system and the current quagmire).

He did win the primaries inside his own party with a big margin, after a member if his own party challenged him for the leadership.

Many consider him too soft on some of the terrorist factions, actually. Even the left has criticized some of his policies as not being harsh enough.

I think any Israeli leader will do whatever is necessary to defend the country.

Ok. Internal politics I don't know much of and the memes except the bare minimum.

 

[GoldRanger]

Ok. Was that bomb chart effective in his presentation or did he knew what he was doing with that?

Hard to say. The MSM mocked him (but that's a given since he's not on the political side they favor), but I think his base loved it for mocking the UN and rubbing their faces in it (in a "let me simplify this for you morons as much as I can" way).

Yes his son from memory did basic hedonistic things that I'm sure most politician fathers would disapprove of.

Yep. One of the most infamous things he's known to do is to frequent strip clubs - with bodyguards paid for by taxpayer money. He's also frequently running his mouth on social media, being a pretty extreme (and vulgar) right-winger. Also he still lives with his parents at 25.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Hard to say. The MSM mocked him (but that's a given since he's not on the political side they favor), but I think his base loved it for mocking the UN and rubbing their faces in it (in a "let me simplify this for you morons as much as I can" way).

If it worked for his base then that's more reliable than getting support from the UN.

UN decorum can't get any worse with things as they are.

Yep. One of the most infamous things he's known to do is to frequent strip clubs - with bodyguards paid for by taxpayer money. He's also frequently running his mouth on social media, being a pretty extreme (and vulgar) right-winger. Also he still lives with his parents at 25.

The nightmare of any parent. Children wasting their hardwork to make things better for them.

 

[Comrade Clod]

For once the US actually has a reason to do it, but then Trump didn't even have the foresight to make it deniable.

So Irans going to retaliate and it won't be pretty.

 

[40thousandninjas]

Well, the Iranian government has to strike back or appear weak, sothe potential for escalation is there. However assasination of Suleimani means that Trump is willing to escalate too, perhaps even more than what they are willing to accept, so it's possible they will do an attack that they present as great moral victory in their propaganda, while at the same time not pissing off Americans too much. It's quite possible they would strike at the Saudi interests instead, claiming they were actually behind the attack.

What some people don't understand is that Iran has been almost strategically exhausted. Between the sanctions, dozens of proxy wars, loss of support of some foreign Shia, poorly run economy and international pariah status, they're basically broke.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Their most recent budget is the most draconian since the Iran-Iraq war. They've had to violently quell their protesters who are understandably upset that money is going to an unsustainable pit full of blood and treasure.

An escalation fight is one they can't win.

 

[GoldRanger]

For once the US actually has a reason to do it, but then Trump didn't even have the foresight to make it deniable.

So Irans going to retaliate and it won't be pretty.

That would defeat the whole purpose - sending a message and establishing credible deterrence.