Well if that is your opinion then that's, that. Just realize it isn't popular, I can respect your decision to stick to your guns even if I disagree.
Amazon Prime Rings of Power: Lord of the Rings on Amazon
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Robovski
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You are free to enjoy what you enjoy; I am glad you enjoyed it honestly. She looks insufferable and pretty unlikeable and I am free to decide that the small chance I will agree with you is not worth the time I would need to spend watching the show based on what I already know and have seen/heard. And frankly, I am not interested in giving more of my time or money to a show that I do not enjoy nor to efforts I find would likely be shitting on fans like myself. Fuck the franchises that don't respect the material, they don't need my time/money/buzz.
Skallagrim
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People are free to like what they want. The real trouble is that there are no standards at all. The great project f egalitarianism has dragged everything down to the lowest common denominator, and so there is only "mass culture" now. Which has subsequently been perverted utterly, and turned into dreck. And there is no meaningful alternative.
This becomes very tiresome to those who can discriminate (which, by the way, is a good thing) and are not satisfied with dreck.
This becomes very tiresome to those who can discriminate (which, by the way, is a good thing) and are not satisfied with dreck.
Did they ever explain why the Main Hobbit Girl has a Black Mom? Was she adopted or is it just like a... We're diverse, deal with it bitch, type of thing?
Because when I saw that on the show it reminded me of Something About Mary where the blonde blue eyed love interest portrayed by Cameron Diaz had a Black Dad and White Mom and explained nothing and that was the joke.
Because when I saw that on the show it reminded me of Something About Mary where the blonde blue eyed love interest portrayed by Cameron Diaz had a Black Dad and White Mom and explained nothing and that was the joke.
Well, why has the Iranian healer a Filipino son? Why are there Asian and black people in the rural secluded villages of the Southlands (
)? Well, I'd like to point you towards Amazon's Inclusion & Diversity policy, as well as towards a general lack of talent and surface level understanding of the whole lore.
)? Well, I'd like to point you towards Amazon's Inclusion & Diversity policy, as well as towards a general lack of talent and surface level understanding of the whole lore.
Well, why has the Iranian healer a Filipino son? Why are there Asian and black people in the rural secluded villages of the Southlands (
Yeah it's almost as if we want some sort of Geographic Consistency with our story and setting as opposed to random racial and ethnic tokens sprinkled out through the entire setting for the sake of diversity.
Remember all of the racist right wingers and gatekeepers who whined about all of the Black and Brown people in Game of Thrones Southern and Eastern Essos settings and in Dorne?
Oh no? That didn't happen?
Ough, it was even more "in your face" in Amazon's Wheel of Time.Yeah it's almost as if we want some sort of Geographic Consistency with our story and setting as opposed to random racial and ethnic tokens sprinkled out through the entire setting for the sake of diversity.
Remember all of the racist right wingers and gatekeepers who whined about all of the Black and Brown people in Game of Thrones Southern and Eastern Essos settings and in Dorne?
Oh no? That didn't happen?
Aldarion
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And male characters being useless while a woman solves everything, and of course Galadriel is the only one who realizes Sauron is dangerous and has to put men in their place, and Galadriel being rage-consumed manchild, and everything medieval having to be brown and dirty, and elves having short hair, and costumes being just retarded, and elves apparently walking around human villages with no issue...
Honestly, either you haven't read Tolkien at all, or you haven't watched Rings of Power at all. Marxism is literally everywhere in the series.
And yes, "black elves, dwarves and halflings" definitely do count as "woke", seeing how this is supposed to be Middle-Earth and not central New York...
There is less confusion there and more intentional ignorance.
First article is my own, and second one is by Bret Devereaux, who just so happens to be a professional military historian.
So nice try.
Galadriel in this is essentially Rey with her hair dyed blond. Her monotone delivery, self-righteous attitudes and the plot bending to her will at times to make her in the right.
I mean it feels like the writers just got high and had this conversation.
Writer 1: "Bruh isn't Sauron like unquestionably evil?"
Writer 2: "Yuh"
Writer 1: "Doesn't like this whoever Tolkien dude make this world black and white, good and evil?"
Writer 2: "Yesire BOB"
Writer 1: "That means that whatever Galadriel does it can't be worse than our main man Sauron right?"
Writer 2: *Inhales more weed in realization his eyes becoming bloodshot* "BRUH! That means that our main woman is so righteous!"
Writer 1: "Yuh right?"
Galadriel literally leaves a dude for dead at the very start of the series and then girl bosses her way into making the inferior Numenorian girl boss give her soldiers and faces no repercussions for it or ever admits she was wrong gets called on it.
Hell, even Sauron who was in the perfect position to beat her down and call her out on it in an effort to put her down doesn't when his simping failed.
She is literally a sue the plot bends towards.
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I hate them for ruining all of the franchises I like. Does that make you feel better?
Ar-Pharazon being written as a cuck who takes second fiddle to his wife. The man's name essentially means "radiant sovereign" and he fucking invades Mordor and monster stomped Saurons army for no other reason than Sauron's claiming to be the lord of all the Earth offended his pride.
The man invaded heaven because he was told immortality wasn't for him.
How in the fuck is someone that arrogant and domineering playing Betamale to the woman he basically stole and forced into marriage?
Elendil being a generic soccer dad instead of one of the greatest men alive, a warrior of renown and compared to men of the first age.
Oh and Galadriel teaching Numemor to fight.
Uhhh yeah they'd been wrecking Sauron's shit and conquering everything around them for about fourteen hundred years by that point.
The man invaded heaven because he was told immortality wasn't for him.
How in the fuck is someone that arrogant and domineering playing Betamale to the woman he basically stole and forced into marriage?
Elendil being a generic soccer dad instead of one of the greatest men alive, a warrior of renown and compared to men of the first age.
Oh and Galadriel teaching Numemor to fight.
Uhhh yeah they'd been wrecking Sauron's shit and conquering everything around them for about fourteen hundred years by that point.
TheRejectionist
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It flopped
I remember seeing one of the LotR movies recently and being surprised by the lack of "diversity". There were no blacks or asians or whatever beyond the pirates and the Haradrim, and I liked it that way. All this inserting of foreigners in scenes where they don't belong just makes the scenes unnatural. Nations are not a melting pot, no matter how desperately these scumbags want to try and pretend otherwise.
ParadiseLost
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"You know, Max, sometimes I wonder about you."
- Captain Von Trapp, The Sound of Music (1965)
That thing do not deserve even hate.
Source material? Black Elves were white elves who hide from Valars and do not even tried go to Valinor,hence black as unlightened.Show made elves as black people instead.
Black Numoreans were Numoreand who worshipped Sauron,but they still were white.Here,we have Black Queen.
And Black Dwarves and Hobbits do not even existed in names.
Galadriel was powerfull mage and wise leader - sure,she could kill things,but acted as leader and leaved fighting to others.
She,as only elf,suspected Sauron.
Here,Go-Galadriel is she hulk who do not suspect Sauron when she meet him.
Gandalf was send with mission to help people of Middle Earth with 4 more Majars on ship,and always knew what to do.
Here - Eru thrown him as meteor without others,and dude get amnesia.
KilroywasNOTHere
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He was devout catholic- that is why Eru is God before Deluge,Valars are archangels,and Majars angels.
If he was mormon,then people there would have few waifus.
Glinda from the Wizard of Oz movie is a more accurate depiction of Galadriel than Mandrial over there on Rings of Power.
TBH the characters are actually fairly similar in terms of their roles in the story in the Baum books too. Glinda is a bit more machiavellian than Galadriel though...but yeah fairly similar archetypes. You'd think given the obsession rainbow people have with Wizard of Oz that they could have just copy pasta'd Billy Burke's performance instead of asking Morfyd Clarke to act like the steroid abusing boss bitch in cell block D.
TBH the characters are actually fairly similar in terms of their roles in the story in the Baum books too. Glinda is a bit more machiavellian than Galadriel though...but yeah fairly similar archetypes. You'd think given the obsession rainbow people have with Wizard of Oz that they could have just copy pasta'd Billy Burke's performance instead of asking Morfyd Clarke to act like the steroid abusing boss bitch in cell block D.
Circle of Willis
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I think like 99% of the RoP writers' problems fundamentally come down to their worldview being so completely antithetical to Tolkien's, that they are quite literally unable to comprehend his themes and characters and thus must make up their own out of whole (woke) cloth to substitute for it all. Canonically Galadriel is the very archetype of the regal, graceful, ultra-feminine and almost (or actually) otherworldly queen/empress who can command a nation and demonstrate power without raising her voice, much less a sword; by the time of the Second Age her 'amazonian' days in Aman are long behind her, much as girls who were tomboys in their childhood or teenage years don't necessarily stay that way when they grow up, and her power is pretty much all magical & political (as besides being the Ringbearer of Nenya she is the Lady of Lórien and married to Celeborn, himself a lord of repute, and mother-in-law to Elrond, the herald of Gil-Galad and son of Eärendil, another First Age hero who literally became one of the brightest stars in the sky).
This however is incomprehensible to victims of the modern woke mind-virus. To them, women can (and must!) only be equal or superior to men by shedding their feminity and becoming masculine themselves; Galadriel can't be the uber powerful girlboss she's supposed to be if she's still bound within ye olde antiquated gender roles! So she must be 'reimagined' as Guyladriel, the psycho who needlessly antagonizes everyone she talks to, always has to be the greatest & smartest & strongest character in the room, and wants to go full Hitler on orc-kind to the extreme of gloating to the orc-chief played by Benjen Stark's actor about the sadistic delight she'll take in watching his reaction to her exterminating his people. As a stronk independent wamman she can't be tied down by no man so Celeborn is MIA, and their daughter Celebrían is also gone because motherhood isn't empowering unless you're a single mom in a biracial relationship (like that other Southlander character who has the hots for the black elf).
Similar deal with the villains, except it's their overly strong attachment to woke orthodoxy that is forcing them to revise the characters for 'modern sensibilities' when the original concepts written up by Tolkien were perfectly serviceable and in fact vastly better ideas than whatever they've thought of. Like Sauron's entire dealio is that he has an obsessive desire to control and order all things for efficiency, but how that's expressed in Middle-earth is by him basically being a technological utopian who turns his realm into an industrial police state which wages brutal wars against its more localist and agrarian neighbors. That basically makes him the good guy to wokies, who also have great sympathy for the idea of progress, industrialism & big-city living and fantasize about oppressing the evil reactionary hicks in flyover country (and especially the Deep South), so that's a no-go. He has to be turned into an incel mad that Galadriel rejected him instead, because that is a much more acceptable sort of villain to the RoP writers' room.
Also they have this aversion to making the bad guys (who = conservatives, MAGA, etc. remember) look cool, they must be both a grave threat that the heroes are justified in combating by any means necessary and an absolute joke, lest the chuds IRL get any ideas or even any unintentional enjoyment from seeing the characters meant to represent their side on-screen. (I'm lurking on the Discord channel for a HOI4 mod where the devs are arguing they can't portray figures like Ronald Reagan or George Wallace in a remotely positive manner on these very grounds, and that's just a freaking mod for someone else's game that they can't even make any money off of, not a billion-dollar production!) So Ar-Pharazôn can't be depicted as basically the LOTR version of all those God-Emperor Trump memes incarnate, despite canonically intimidating Sauron's hordes into fleeing and driving the Dark Lord to his knees just by showing up to Middle-earth with the Númenorean army, he has to be made a pansy who's firmly subordinate to Tar-Míriel and doesn't even dare try to fight Galadriel when the latter breaks out of jail with comical ease.
In their view there are fundamentally only two kinds of villains: either the sort that stands opposed to their worldview (and therefore must be intrinsically, or ontologically as they like to say, evil cardboard cutouts with no redeeming features whatsoever) or the sort that shares their worldview and therefore is 'nuanced' (in the sense that the villain is doing what they want to do to their enemies IRL, but the creators still have just enough self-awareness to acknowledge that their preferred methods aren't going to be popular with the audience, so the character has to be spun into a well-intentioned extremist type rather than played as an outright hero). Now these writers know they can't make Sauron a misunderstood good guy because that would be too overwhelming and obvious a contradiction of the source material even for movie-only casual fans, so they'll make him an acceptable sort of evil under the first category instead. And no they certainly don't care enough to elaborate on any actual nuance as to the first category of villains' motivations either, which is why the Númenorean racism against Elves is portrayed as literally 'dey tuk err jerbs!' rather than a more complicated jealousy of Elven immortality and desire to avoid their own inevitable natural death. Their closed mind doesn't even want to think about any complexities like that.
Tolkien, being a genuine intellectual, was capable of taking an idea he deeply, thoroughly despised and yet managing to create a fleshed-out, multilayered and actually nuanced character from it who was nevertheless still unambiguously villainous. I legitimately cannot think of a single case of villains in any liberal fiction from this past decade & a half, not just RoP, where the creators have even the faintest grip on what motivates them or what 'conservative' beliefs actually are: like actually, when was the last time you ever saw a racist or a religious zealot be portrayed remotely sympathetically, or have their motives be treated with any measure of understanding? Because the last time I can recall something like that was the High Sparrow from Martin's last few ASOIAF books, and he's absolutely reviled by the readers on Reddit and even the showrunners of GoT, who turned him from a legitimate crusader for the poor into a pastiche of 1980s gay-bashers.
Like other wokies these 'creators' can't stand it when an 'evil' worldview is presented in even a slightly sympathetic or understandable light, because that might make them question the preconceptions they've had drilled into their heads by decades of far-left academic control. They literally hate the incestuous tyrants with mass-murdering mass-raping psychos in their employ less than the guy who goes 'hey maybe we shouldn't burn half the continent, kill half the peasants with swords and rape the other half to death, and eat all their food & ours on the eve of a years-long winter' because grr religion man bad, but at least they can somewhat conceptualize all that in their pea brains. When it comes to LOTR these people can't even do that and are basically going 'how can the guy who wants to make a more equitable society where his citizens are equal(ly worthless), work in factories and watched over by Daddy State be evil? He must be an incel instead! How can the heroine be powerful when she's a wife and mother who doesn't swing a sword around and talk down to everyone surrounding her? She must be the sort of totally non-cringe girlboss I last saw in YA Novel #3,000,000!'
Tl;dr trying to teach the writers of Rings of Power about Tolkien's themes and concepts will go about as well as trying to teach a cat advanced calculus, no matter how hard you try, they're never going to get it because it's fundamentally beyond them.
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As much as they hate masculinity, to them, that is what represents "strength" to them. They also seem to think leadership just means "everyone has to do what I say," rather than any of the other aspects of it, like, you know, charisma, competence, respect, etc. I forget who said it, but I like to think of the gist of it as "true leadership is the ability to get people to do something for you when they are under no obligation to do so." To be fair, there have been other examples of that "just do what I say" mentality I can think of, like Captain Archer and Captain Janeway.