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Proposals in Regards to Immigration

Simonbob

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Larger economies of scale.
So, you think it's good for the economy.

Larger numbers don't matter if they don't work together.


Besides, the US was the number one economic power in the world, and might still be, although we're not sure. Massive immigration didn't keep you at number one, so more will make things better?


Bullshit.
 

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It sounds kinda like you're wanting to ask people "When you say you want immigration reform do you want actual immigration reform or just fewer immigrants?" to which I would say actual reform.
 

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I do not have an issue with immigration. I'm working to immigrate to the US myself.

However, Canada is a good example of why large scale immigration isn't exactly beneficial. Currently the average house price is over $800,000, almost doubling in a few short years, while wages has not kept up with the increase cost of living. Social services have been strained for years, barely expanding while Canada brings in hundreds of thousands of people each year. Quebec's health care system is a colossal shitshow, with years long waiting list just to get a family doctor.

At least merit-based would hopefully bring in job skills in high demand, but some urban centers in the US are becoming unaffordable for many lower and middle class families.
 

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I know what economies of scale are, not just in relation to US immigration.
Well, Russian nationalist blogger argues that Russia must acquire more people by conquering Ukraine in order to achieve greater economies of scale:


This brings us to something more in the realm of speculation as opposed to something that Putin definitely thinks. But here goes. The value of Ukraine is not in its territory, nor less its sovok rustbelt industries, nor even less its position on the invasion route to Moscow (spoiler: We live in the ICBM age). Ukraine’s value is, forgive the triteness, in its people, or its human capital - namely, 35 million 95+ IQ people who are very close to and compatible with Russians, who are indeed an intrinsic part of the All Russian nation. Now if Russia was prepared to expend a rather high cost in welfare funds and knock on effects on integrating 1.5 million genuinely quite “alien” Chechens, then paying a drastically more modest price (per capita) for 35 million of its own kith and kin is eminently rational. Although Russia’s 145 million people can still generate sufficient economies of scale to maintain political sovereignty and to run a largely self-contained technological civilization, complete with its own IT ecosystem (read: sovereign memetic space, “socially distanced” from the Woke nihilism of the West), space program, and technological visions. But creating and then sustaining such a world-civilization will certainly be considerably easier in a restored “Russian World” that unites Russians, Belorussians, and Ukrainians under one banner in a Slavic superpower of 200 million people stretching from Brest to Vladivostok
If his point here is actually valid for Russia, why not for the US as well?

I do not have an issue with immigration. I'm working to immigrate to the US myself.

However, Canada is a good example of why large scale immigration isn't exactly beneficial. Currently the average house price is over $800,000, almost doubling in a few short years, while wages has not kept up with the increase cost of living. Social services have been strained for years, barely expanding while Canada brings in hundreds of thousands of people each year. Quebec's health care system is a colossal shitshow, with years long waiting list just to get a family doctor.

At least merit-based would hopefully bring in job skills in high demand, but some urban centers in the US are becoming unaffordable for many lower and middle class families.
Where do you want to immigrate to the US from?

And zoning reform could help with housing prices, no? Just make sure not to bring the ghetto folk into one's neighborhoods 'coz that could result in a huge crime increase. :( Sad but true. :(

So, you think it's good for the economy.

Larger numbers don't matter if they don't work together.


Besides, the US was the number one economic power in the world, and might still be, although we're not sure. Massive immigration didn't keep you at number one, so more will make things better?


Bullshit.
Do Canadians work together very well right now?
 

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Well, Russian nationalist blogger argues that Russia must acquire more people by conquering Ukraine in order to achieve greater economies of scale:

Russia's situation is vastly different from the US's. They are in actual demographic collapse:
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The US is below replacement rates of course, but no where near that bad. Especially since we badly underutilize our own population as is and the 1 million per year immigration rate already keeps us above losing population. Japan is falling at a faster rate and they are doing mostly fine and finding enough lucrative jobs for anyone that wants to work in the younger generations.
 

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Russia's situation is vastly different from the US's. They are in actual demographic collapse:
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The US is below replacement rates of course, but no where near that bad. Especially since we badly underutilize our own population as is and the 1 million per year immigration rate already keeps us above losing population. Japan is falling at a faster rate and they are doing mostly fine and finding enough lucrative jobs for anyone that wants to work in the younger generations.
But would we benefit from having even more people?
 

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But would we benefit from having even more people?
Not really. See how wages have been suppressed by illegal immigration and H1B visas. The only benefit is the profits of American oligarchs. Same with outsourcing. This is the way of the ruling class to cripple the working classes so they aren't able to oppose wealth/income inequality. Woke shit is to distract the middle class and put them on the wrong track to fight the working class.
 

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From what I hear?

No.

There's a lot of groups, both ethnic and political, in Canada. And, often, they don't interact as well as more integrated groups.
So, why do a lot of Canadians like their immigration system?
 

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By the way, interesting fact:

Nowadays the number of Hispanics and Asians coming to the US is almost even, with a slight Asian edge, but Hispanics had an overwhelming advantage in regards to this back in the early 2000s:



Maybe this helps explain why Americans became more pro-immigration over the last 20-30 years:



A lot of people love cute Asian waifus, I would presume! ;)
 

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It's worth noting that a lot of proclaimed economies of scale don't really exist, because bigger companies frequently use regulatory capture in place of actually competing and this confounds the statistics quite a bit. In terms of actually producing the most bang for buck frequently small businesses are far more efficient than megacorporations. That's not to say economies of scale don't exist at all, but in many situations they're dramatically overestimated due to those confounding factors.

Much of the economies of scale we'd actually get from higher immigration would primarily benefit the super-rich, as it would put a downward pressure on wages and let big corporations pay less for the same amount of work. Small businesses often rely heavily on the labor of the owner to save costs and so pay less for wages, percentage-wise, than megacorporations so it would hurt the middle class and help the bigger companies.
 

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It's worth noting that a lot of proclaimed economies of scale don't really exist, because bigger companies frequently use regulatory capture in place of actually competing and this confounds the statistics quite a bit. In terms of actually producing the most bang for buck frequently small businesses are far more efficient than megacorporations. That's not to say economies of scale don't exist at all, but in many situations they're dramatically overestimated due to those confounding factors.

Much of the economies of scale we'd actually get from higher immigration would primarily benefit the super-rich, as it would put a downward pressure on wages and let big corporations pay less for the same amount of work. Small businesses often rely heavily on the labor of the owner to save costs and so pay less for wages, percentage-wise, than megacorporations so it would hurt the middle class and help the bigger companies.
Do you think that the Canadian middle class has suffered from relatively open immigration in regards to this specifically?
 

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So, why do a lot of Canadians like their immigration system?
Judging from the people I know in Sydney?

Some don't know, some have heard something, but saying "Immagration bad" is Racism to their mind, and some want things broken, because they think things will get better after the breaking.

The biggest group just don't know, and they only listen to "Mainstream" sources who will not bring up the massive, and obvious problems. The so called "Normies".



Please note, over the entire West, teachers are a captured group, more and more far Left, with all the insanity attached. The Mainstream media, the political groups, the things the cops enforce? These are all the same.


It's just working class, and a few others, noticing things breaking around us. But there's no money or power behind us, so we just get to watch the world burn, weather we like it or not.
 

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60 years ago, in Canada, a family could live, and live well, on the sole income of a working class man, and buy their own home as a part of that.


Can you do that now?
Probably not in urban areas. Maybe still in rural areas, though?
 

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BTW, here's some interesting data worth sharing:

Canadian blacks and Hispanics are not that much smarter on average than their US counterparts:




It's just that the US has a much higher black and Hispanic percentage relative to Canada.
 

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It's worth noting that a lot of proclaimed economies of scale don't really exist, because bigger companies frequently use regulatory capture in place of actually competing and this confounds the statistics quite a bit. In terms of actually producing the most bang for buck frequently small businesses are far more efficient than megacorporations. That's not to say economies of scale don't exist at all, but in many situations they're dramatically overestimated due to those confounding factors.

Much of the economies of scale we'd actually get from higher immigration would primarily benefit the super-rich, as it would put a downward pressure on wages and let big corporations pay less for the same amount of work. Small businesses often rely heavily on the labor of the owner to save costs and so pay less for wages, percentage-wise, than megacorporations so it would hurt the middle class and help the bigger companies.
This (and other factors) are things people often ignore when talking about large corps.

That, and the fact that big enough economies of scale fail for the same reason as central planning: eventually you reach a big enough scale that its no longer feasible to handle resources efficiently anymore.
 
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