Politicians and Government Cringe Thread

Zachowon

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This would be a good thing to do with all Fed employees, not just the IRS, so long as the illegit regime of Biden is in power.

If they take a paycheck from DC, simply refuse to serve, do business, or associate with Feds and Fed contractors.

And yes, this does extend to the DoD, too.
Fuck you.
I don't get paid enough to deal with this kinda bullshit.
 

Bacle

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Fuck you.
I don't get paid enough to deal with this kinda bullshit.
You get paid by the same people who just raided Trump, broke decades of US law regarding the powers of POTUS to declassify anything he wishes to, are gaslighting about dirty bombs because people are criticizing the FBI over this, have abused the law to the point we have an openly 2-tier justice system, lied about the Wuhan Flu and it's vax's, lied about Iraq, stole the 2020 election, and who have shown there is no length they will not go to in order to attack Trump because of the threat he represent to them and the establishment.

So, yeah, till legitimacy is restored to DC (if it ever can be), those who willingly serve this illegit and abusive government should be shunned and shown that they are not going to be able to pretend they are not part of the problem.
 

Zachowon

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You get paid by the same people who just raided Trump, broke decades of US law regarding the powers of POTUS to declassify anything he wishes to, are gaslighting about dirty bombs because people are criticizing the FBI over this, have abused the law to the point we have an openly 2-tier justice system, lied about the Wuhan Flu and it's vax's, lied about Iraq, stole the 2020 election, and who have shown there is no length they will not go to in order to attack Trump because of the threat he represent to them and the establishment.

So, yeah, till legitimacy is restored to DC (if it ever can be), those who willingly serve this illegit and abusive government should be shunned and shown that they are not going to be able to pretend they are not part of the problem.
So make it so the left inhabits all of it?
Cut off the most moderate group and make them lean left?
Give the left full control git it
 

Cherico

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So make it so the left inhabits all of it?
Cut off the most moderate group and make them lean left?
Give the left full control git it

Eventally an insitution gets to the point where it is no longer worth saving.

Bacle is at the point where he thinks its time to jettisen insitutions that have grown toxic and create new ones, you still have hope that said insitutions can be reformed.

I haven't seen any signs that these insitutions can be reformed all I'm seeing is massive purges of any one who would do such things and their replacements being far worse. Maybe you can turn the tide of history but I doubt it.
 

Bacle

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So make it so the left inhabits all of it?
Cut off the most moderate group and make them lean left?
Give the left full control git it
The Left already has full control of the DoD and DC in every way that matters, except SCOTUS, so that's a moot point.

The 'moderates' in uniform are still serving an illegit government, because they care more about their paychecks than about the Constitution.

You keep trying to ignore and down play what all your boss's in DC have done/been a part of, because you still naively think the DoD/US military can have it's cake and eat it too, when it comes to the image of the military vs current events.

Until the/unless legitimacy is returned to DC, we are a banana republic, and that means the US military need to be viewed less as defenders of this nation, and more as enforcers of the political will of DC.

Of course those moderates could also look to Scheller as an example of what it means to put their oath to the Constitution above their paycheck, and be willing to give up their careers/pensions/benefits to call out the illegit nature of DC and their actions.
Eventally an insitution gets to the point where it is no longer worth saving.

Bacle is at the point where he thinks its time to jettisen insitutions that have grown toxic and create new ones, you still have hope that said insitutions can be reformed.

I haven't seen any signs that these insitutions can be reformed all I'm seeing is massive purges of any one who would do such things and their replacements being far worse. Maybe you can turn the tide of history but I doubt it.
Pretty much.

I'm not so naive as to buy the 'military is still apolitical, even conservative friendly' PR bullshit that Zach spews, just because the military gave 'instructions' to him and other service members to only talk 'good' about the military on social media.

The US military these days is demonstrating precisely why the Founders did not want a standing army; it becomes it's own political party and political branch, that put's it's own desires above that of the civie population they are supposedly subordinate too.

Edit: Also, with Zach...look, it's more I pity him for his position, and that of others like him, as times have gone insane, far beyond his or their control.

But he sounds less like George Washington, and more like Suzaku Kururugi, as time goes on and the world changes around him and all of us.
 
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Cherico

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That's not a paycheck; they are not employees or contractors.

Also, Social Security does not require an oath to defend, or serve, the Constitution.

I also wouldn't get too used to social security being a thing. In order for it to be stable you need to have the younger generations be more numerous then older ones and I just don't see that happening with urbanization and all of the other fuckery going on.
 

Bacle

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I also wouldn't get too used to social security being a thing. In order for it to be stable you need to have the younger generations be more numerous then older ones and I just don't see that happening with urbanization and all of the other fuckery going on.
This too; Social Security is unlikely to exist by the time people in their 20/30s now are set to 'retire'.

The Boomers illusions of utopia, deals with the CCP, and of 'the end of history' mindset have royally fucked the younger gens, because we believed in the illusion too, till it was too late.
 

Zachowon

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Can't say I feel much sympathy.

Work for better people.
Okay.
Let the left have full control of the military then.
At least people like me won't shoot you.

@Bacle ah yes, the highest level which is comepeltly separate from the ground troops.
Man, if only there was things in place already making sure they don't have full power.


Everytime I hear people make these arguments I always wonder.
"Why make such an argument? How is that going to help the right?" You are giving the left control, and they won't give it up. Do you think making sure any and all moderates and right wingers don't join these organizations is a good thing?
That if someone is elected they can purge out the left?
Well if the right and moderates don't go there, there won't be any of what we want left and purging say, the whole of the DoD would basically cause us to be weaker then any nation out there and make us have to draft.

But go ahead and punish those who want to actually do something instead of sit around stroking if at the thought if "LEFT WILL BE PURGED FROM ALL IF WE WIN!"
If they have control they will hold it no matter what.
You all just want to give them a mile.
 

Marduk

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Until the/unless legitimacy is returned to DC, we are a banana republic, and that means the US military need to be viewed less as defenders of this nation, and more as enforcers of the political will of DC.
I'm not so naive as to buy the 'military is still apolitical, even conservative friendly' PR bullshit that Zach spews, just because the military gave 'instructions' to him and other service members to only talk 'good' about the military on social media.
If USA is a banana republic, then you want military stocked with people unsympathetic to the powers that be more than ever. A military they can't consider reliable no matter their excesses is the only check on the power of such.
 

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Zachowon

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If USA is a banana republic, then you want military stocked with people unsympathetic to the powers that be more than ever. A military they can't consider reliable no matter their excesses is the only check on the power of such.
But that means I am paid by the government therefore I shouldn't be treated like a human being.

Unlike every other government group, the DoD is actually doing its job.
 

Bacle

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Okay.
Let the left have full control of the military then.
At least people like me won't shoot you.

@Bacle ah yes, the highest level which is comepeltly separate from the ground troops.
Man, if only there was things in place already making sure they don't have full power.


Everytime I hear people make these arguments I always wonder.
"Why make such an argument? How is that going to help the right?" You are giving the left control, and they won't give it up. Do you think making sure any and all moderates and right wingers don't join these organizations is a good thing?
That if someone is elected they can purge out the left?
Well if the right and moderates don't go there, there won't be any of what we want left and purging say, the whole of the DoD would basically cause us to be weaker then any nation out there and make us have to draft.

But go ahead and punish those who want to actually do something instead of sit around stroking if at the thought if "LEFT WILL BE PURGED FROM ALL IF WE WIN!"
If they have control they will hold it no matter what.
You all just want to give them a mile.
The Left already have control of the DoD and DC, in pretty much every way that matters. Ground troops also don't make policy, and it is policy that matters most.

Also, notice I am not one of them saying that their will be a 'purge' of Lefties if the Right regains control?

That's because I am not naive enough to think the GOP would actually have the balls to do such a thing, or that it would actually do so effectively if attempted.

I just am willing to admit that as far as non-violent resistance to the illegit regime in DC goes, shunning of Feds and Fed employees is one method that has some real potential to hurt the ability of the illegit regime to carry out it's oppression or justify more use of force.

There is no fixing this state of affairs from the inside the machine/system; fish rot from the head.
 

Marduk

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I just am willing to admit that as far as non-violent resistance to the illegit regime in DC goes, shunning of Feds and Fed employees is one method that has some real potential to hurt the ability of the illegit regime to carry out it's oppression or justify more use of force.
The ones who deserve the shunning would shun you themselves if they know your stance.
 

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