Politicians and Government Cringe Thread

[bintananth]

Uh, no it's not. Like, it's one thing to complain about the IRS getting a ton of new personnel, especially since the states purpose is to hire more Revenue Agents, i.e. the people who do the audits and everyone loves to hate.

I actually kinda like them. The only time I've been audited by the IRS they discovered that the gal who did our taxes wasn't as competent as she claimed to be and that the US government actually owed me money.

 

[Airedale260]

I actually kinda like them. The only time I've been audited by the IRS they discovered that the gal who did our taxes wasn't as competent as she claimed to be and that the US government actually owed me money.

Well, yes. That can happen but TBH most people generally don't think well of the IRS, in some cases for very good reasons.

Like the auditing scandal under Lerner should absolutely have resulted in multiple firings but unfortunately the Beltway tends to protect its own.

My personal experiences with them have always been with the actual criminal investigators (in a professional capacity, I mean) so that colors my perspective somewhat, but the stuff I've seen is the sort of thing that even people who don't like the IRS would agree are things that should be prosecuted (we're talking perpetration of widespread scams and the like).

 

[bintananth]

Well, yes. That can happen but TBH most people generally don't think well of the IRS, in some cases for very good reasons.

Like the auditing scandal under Lerner should absolutely have resulted in multiple firings but unfortunately the Beltway tends to protect its own.

My personal experiences with them have always been with the actual criminal investigators (in a professional capacity, I mean) so that colors my perspective somewhat, but the stuff I've seen is the sort of thing that even people who don't like the IRS would agree are things that should be prosecuted (we're talking perpetration of widespread scams and the like).

If you're a J. Random Taxpayer who gets selected for an audit the auditor is checking to see if the i's are dotted, the t's are crossed, and the forms are filled out correctly. If you made a good faith effort to get things right they'll correct the mistakes and tell you how off you were.

If shenanigans are in play, they'll be spotted. That's when the handcuffs get used and those are the audits you hear about.

 

[Airedale260]

If you're a J. Random Taxpayer who gets selected for an audit the auditor is checking to see if the i's are dotted, the t's are crossed, and the forms are filled out correctly. If you made a good faith effort to get things right they'll correct the mistakes and tell you how off you were.

If shenanigans are in play, they'll be spotted. That's when the handcuffs get used and those are the audits you hear about.

No, I know.

OTOH the fact that it's being used to help "finance" Yet Another Useless Spending Blowout is a valid objection. So I get why people are pissed off. I just hate it when shit gets taken out of context. And honestly it's why I fucking hate Twitter.

 

[Typhonis]

The reason we have inflation is that money printer goes brrr. That isn't what the government wants you to know though.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

Something I find hilarious is how the left is all about a Cheney now.

 

[Husky_Khan]

I think you're addressing three different things at once here -not sure about "training to raid suburban homes" but if so that's not exclusive to the IRS; if you're an 1811 (criminal investigator, i.e. Special Agent), you go through tactical training alongside HSI, USSS, NCIS...basically every single law enforcement agency except FBI and DEA trains together. It's like the military: The basic training is done with a mix before they get sent off to agency-specific training, which is mainly classroom stuff on topics like learning the tax code forwards and backwards, money laundering, and other technical stuff.

They've been hiring criminal investigators for over a century now and only *now* is it becoming "controversial" because Biden and his friends are pushing for an expanded IRS (more on this in a second). What happened is almost certainly an ad that was poorly timed but no hiring announcement yet (note that 1811 announcements are hands-down *the* most sought-after announcements and there are a number of message boards and threads dedicated to tracking them from potential/hopeful applicants to current 1811s giving advice). As this is a position where one is a sworn LEO, this is a very competitive and difficult job type to get into. But CI *does not do audits* and never has: All audits go through what are called Revenue Agents, and only if the RAs discover evidence of criminal misconduct (like a business with a track record of consistently understating its income over several years) will the case get transferred. Criminal investigators aren't interested in getting into a drawn-out argument over loopholes or gray areas; they're looking for slam-dunk cases. Like a couple of years ago when they nailed the (now former) mayor of Baltimore for not reporting income from the sale of a series of children's books she was writing and selling (with one of her biggest customers being, totally by coincidence and surely not corruption, the Baltimore school district), or nailing the biggest union boss in Pennsylvania for corruption and tax evasion. I'd also note that all the CI agents *themselves* all get audited as part of the hiring process and then every single year thereafter.

Uh, no it's not. Like, it's one thing to complain about the IRS getting a ton of new personnel, especially since the states purpose is to hire more Revenue Agents, i.e. the people who do the audits and everyone loves to hate. And yeah, I am fully aware that this is mainly directed at screwing the middle class, like pretty much everything else Biden and his friends do. And complaining about this is a fair criticism.

Look, given the crap with Lois Lerner and her friends, being skeptical is entirely warranted (especially when the Democrats voted down an amendment to not allow this to be targeted at lower income voters) What's pissing me off is people claiming that this is going to lead to armed people shooting innocent taxpayers if they screw up, because some idiot somewhere took something out of context YET AGAIN and caused a stir over nothing. They're two separate divisions, and the armed ones aren't the ones you actually need to worry about unless you are, in fact, engaged in years of deliberate tax evasion that's cheated taxpayers out of hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars.

And it's even more important to note there's a serious division in terms of points of view between field offices and HQs in Washington -for example, there's a reason that all the fiascos are being directed out of HQs rather than the local field offices, who generally hate this shit because it makes it harder to do their regular jobs.

Again, you're confusing two different divisions with the IRS. The LEOs aren't the ones engaged in that.

Also, the IRS doesn't handle hiring security guards: Those are all under the Federal Protective Service (which is part of DHS).

While I agree with the spirit of your post, USSS was shifted to Homeland Security in 2003, along with the Coast Guard and the Customs Service (though there was discussion of Trump and Munching moving USSS back to Treasury, which given the USSS' main job makes a fuck of a lot more sense).

New Crimes Require a New Kind of Special Agent. A "Special" Agent if you were...

"Hello we're Federal Special Agents (1811's) with the Inclusivity & Respect Service- Criminal Investigation Division."

"We couldn't help but notice you misgendered a future President of the United States as the "Chocolate Stay Puft Marshmellow MAN" and would like to give you thirty minutes to post a retraction addressed to Miss Stacey Abrams on this 'Sietch' forum you posted your violent misinformation on."

"If you choose not to comply, we're all going to start screaming 'Rape' while ineptly shooting you until we paint the rest of your body as red as your redhat Nazi!"

"If you would like this message in any other language, one of my fellow Agents behind me can translate."

 

[Ixian]

Mob seen on video looting 7-Eleven store in Los Angeles

The LAPD is trying to track down a mob of people that looted a 7-Eleven store.

www.cbsnews.com

A mob blocks an intersection with their vehicles and loots a 7/11 nearby.

Police respond with "Well, we will just take all the cars". Instead of.... finding and arresting the criminals... pure idiocy.

"If they're gonna start doing this kind of stuff, inconveniencing people, and taking over, cars are gonna start disappearing real soon," said a law enforcement official.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

Mob seen on video looting 7-Eleven store in Los Angeles

The LAPD is trying to track down a mob of people that looted a 7-Eleven store.

www.cbsnews.com

A mob blocks an intersection with their vehicles and loots a 7/11 nearby.

Police respond with "Well, we will just take all the cars". Instead of.... finding and arresting the criminals... pure idiocy.

"If they're gonna start doing this kind of stuff, inconveniencing people, and taking over, cars are gonna start disappearing real soon," said a law enforcement official.

Translation: "We are going to take the cars of civilians under eminent domain and resell them. See, criminals shoot back, but civilains are too pussy to fight. We get a steady profit and stay alive!"

Man, I wouldn't be surprised if in a decade or two, cops have to wear masks watchmen-style because people formed lynchmobs on their homes and families. Not condoning that, obviously, but I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[Cherico]

Translation: "We are going to take the cars of civilians under eminent domain and resell them. See, criminals shoot back, but civilains are too pussy to fight. We get a steady profit and stay alive!"

Man, I wouldn't be surprised if in a decade or two, cops have to wear masks watchmen-style because people formed lynchmobs on their homes and families. Not condoning that, obviously, but I wouldn't be surprised.

we are most likely heading into that future, cant say I feel pity for the police on this one they brought it upon themselves.

 

[Typhonis]

Depends on the police and where. I would think.

 

[DarthOne]

New Crimes Require a New Kind of Special Agent. A "Special" Agent if you were...

"Hello we're Federal Special Agents (1811's) with the Inclusivity & Respect Service- Criminal Investigation Division."

"We couldn't help but notice you misgendered a future President of the United States as the "Chocolate Stay Puft Marshmellow MAN" and would like to give you thirty minutes to post a retraction addressed to Miss Stacey Abrams on this 'Sietch' forum you posted your violent misinformation on."

"If you choose not to comply, we're all going to start screaming 'Rape' while ineptly shooting you until we paint the rest of your body as red as your redhat Nazi!"

"If you would like this message in any other language, one of my fellow Agents behind me can translate."

Apparently, the IRS blackshirt’s training is completely trash. Though I’m wondering if it’s being done on purpose as apart of some convoluted scheme to cause an incident…or if this is bad info to make them look more incompetent then they really are.

Or if I’m just overthinking.

 

[Typhonis]

Are those actual IRS agents or kids being allowed to see what it is like?

 

[DarthOne]

Are those actual IRS agents or kids being allowed to see what it is like?

Those are Biden’s new IRS agents.

 

[Sobek]

Mob seen on video looting 7-Eleven store in Los Angeles

The LAPD is trying to track down a mob of people that looted a 7-Eleven store.

www.cbsnews.com

A mob blocks an intersection with their vehicles and loots a 7/11 nearby.

Police respond with "Well, we will just take all the cars". Instead of.... finding and arresting the criminals... pure idiocy.

"If they're gonna start doing this kind of stuff, inconveniencing people, and taking over, cars are gonna start disappearing real soon," said a law enforcement official.

Anarcho-Tyranny

They ignore actual crimes to instead police people who won't fight back and tyrannize the population who wants to live a normal life into constant fear of the government with blatant double standards and selective enforcement of laws. It's why you will see people getting the FBI on their doorstep for demanding to know what schools are teaching but thieves get bailed in less than 24 hours.

 

[Terthna]

Anarcho-Tyranny

They ignore actual crimes to instead police people who won't fight back and tyrannize the population who wants to live a normal life into constant fear of the government with blatant double standards and selective enforcement of laws. It's why you will see people getting the FBI on their doorstep for demanding to know what schools are teaching but thieves get bailed in less than 24 hours.

Because most of those in government are just a higher class of criminal.

 

[Bacle]

 

[Arch Dornan]

Is this medical segregation?

 

[Terthna]

Is this medical segregation?

At this point, not getting the vaccine is seen by these people as a sign of tribal disloyalty; so to them, this is about kicking out undesirables from their perfect society.

 

[Bacle]

Is this medical segregation?

Pretty much. Not even allowing them virtual classes is definitely a sign this is about politics and power, not health or the student's well being.

At this point, not getting the vaccine is seen by these people as a sign of tribal disloyalty; so to them, this is about kicking out undesirables from their perfect society.

Exactly.