PeaceMaker 03
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Then again I am hoping for the same thing for the USA.
peter Zeihan 2020
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Why is Northern Ireland still a thing, instead of being part of Ireland?
There are plenty of reasons for people in the US to look down on the Brits, and give them shit anytime they think they're big shit again, or ever will be.
It's just that the EU are worse masters than the US, because at least the US doesn't feel threatened by the Brits like the EU does/did, so we don't try to purposely sabotage the UK like the EU did (because the French and Germans will never pass up an opportunity to fuck with the UK).
Landing Strip One needs to stop with it's delusions it will ever be powerful on it's own, or economically independent.
And this is before we even get into British food, which is so bad they had to conquer large parts of the world just to get a palatable meal at home.
Until you can build and field your own nukes, feed your own nation without mass importing food, and actually have CV's that don't have poor-ramps on them, that day won't come.
The British Empire is dead, it's not coming back, and the Brits won't be in a position to be more than second fiddle to either the US or EU.
Lord Sovereign
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Because Ulster for the most part doesn’t want to be part of Eire. Protestant North and a Catholic South, as much as the lines of religion have blurred down the years.
And why are those Protestants there in the first place?
What the Brit's did to create Northern Ireland (importing Protestant Scot's to undermine the Catholics in the north) undermined Irish nationhood. Along with shipping Irish off to be slaves/indentured servants across the British Empire.
The existence of Northern Ireland undermines any bitching from the UK or it's inhabitants about being anyone's 'vassal'.
AnimalNoodles
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The American Empire will be dead in due time. While the British Empire left behind a monumental legacy of successful nations and institutions, the American Empire will be remembered for sodomy, rap music and macdonalds. The UK is in a parlous state precisely because it has become an american vassal, and suffers the same fate as all american vassals, to be pillaged, undermined and stuffed full of africans and asians who dismantle the native cultures and make it vulnerable to corporate looting.
Lord Sovereign
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Poe
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Cringe wilsonian mindset
Me personally I just hate Euros, they think they're better because we pay for their defense so they can spend all their cash on welfare states. Don't know of any other vassal states in history that had such an attitude. They've also been pretty shit "allies" all things considered, none of them maintaining a decent sized military or capacity so that we can easily handle Russia and China at once, and think we should be grateful for this because it "benefits us via trade."
There isn't a nation on this planet that will be able to argue it isn't a direct descendant of the american empire. The Europeans conquered, sure, and became the new masters of old kingdoms and empires the world over. The US, however, set a match to this and burned the world down, replacing the entire societal and civilizational structures of every continent on the planet in less than a century. In the end we are just giving up on it and coming home, where we will rebuild and continue to be the most powerful nation for centuries to come due to us stopping the subsidization of the rest of the worlds economies.
The American empire will be remembered for a lot more than the gay shit I promise you that.
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StormEagle
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I have a lot of issues with the Europeans in general, largely due to me thinking of them as rather shitty Allies most of the time.
But I do admit a bit of fondness in my dead heart for Britain.
I, un-ironically, think the death of the British empire was one of the many tragic mistakes that followed WW2 and it would have been an unmitigated good for them and their subjects if it had carried on.
And before anyone accuses me of being a hypocrite, given my various isolationist stances, I’m only an isolationist because the common people of my country don’t get anything from our informal empire anymore.
I mean, besides ever higher taxes, ever more expensive goods and property, and teachers teaching the next generation how best to sodomize each other.
But I do admit a bit of fondness in my dead heart for Britain.
I, un-ironically, think the death of the British empire was one of the many tragic mistakes that followed WW2 and it would have been an unmitigated good for them and their subjects if it had carried on.
And before anyone accuses me of being a hypocrite, given my various isolationist stances, I’m only an isolationist because the common people of my country don’t get anything from our informal empire anymore.
I mean, besides ever higher taxes, ever more expensive goods and property, and teachers teaching the next generation how best to sodomize each other.
strunkenwhite
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Do you think the basic options he laid out are wrong, or do you think you could do better on building trade partnerships solo (what he characterized as rebuilding an empire), or do you just think taking the hit of having no empire at all is worth it for the pride of flying solo? (I presume you don't propose crawling back to the EU.)
The american empire hasn't even been born yet, you have a hedgemony yes but not an empire not a true one. And we wont know for quite some time what the american empire will leave behind, because we haven't made the nessary mental leaps and built the insiutions of actual lasting empire.
In fact Id say one of the main reasons why were so shit is that the leadership wants an empire but doesn't want to be honest about it or compensate the prols who make it possible, and the fact their massively incompetent plays a role as well.
Terthna
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I'm struggling to think of any King of England, that wouldn't be superior to our current President; though I'd argue Charles III only barely manages it by not being obviously senile. That aside though, I'm personally sick of how ungrateful most of Europe has acted towards my country, even though we've been propping you all up since the end of the second World War, so I'm actually all for severing ties and letting you all fend for yourselves.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
European parasitism (with the exception of France perhaps. Its military is structured to operate without NATO) towards America is cringe and needs to end. You’ll find no disagreement with me in that regard.
if your economy enters into a depression and all of the current immigrants leave in mass do yourselves a favor and do not let them back in when things finally get unfucked.
PeaceMaker 03
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France had to ask for help in the 2011 invasion of Libya 36 hours after H-hour. I guess that is better than 24 hours.
Mainly logistics, munitions, and intel, which led to US air assets. Ironic because it was made clear it was a Europe-centric OP.
Strategy page .com had decent reporting on it. Granted all my knowledge is out of date so can not speak of current military conditions for Euro-militaries.
Peter talks about stuff:
-Ukraine is on pause due to winter
-Europeans dumping lots of money and arms into Ukraine
-Don't want nuke armed Germany, Switzerland, Poland
-Russia's oil industry is more traditional, so its wells can last for years
-Peter expected attacks on oil infrastructure/shipping that would've fucked up the Russian oil infrastructure
-No idea if Xi will use nukes
-Bureaucrats have no idea what Xi wants, just parrot his public statements
-Putin won't use nukes so long as status quo maintains
-Tac nuke use by Russia is pretty much going to guarantee nuking them to shit, they were told this 6 months in
-Ukraine is on pause due to winter
-Europeans dumping lots of money and arms into Ukraine
-Don't want nuke armed Germany, Switzerland, Poland
-Russia's oil industry is more traditional, so its wells can last for years
-Peter expected attacks on oil infrastructure/shipping that would've fucked up the Russian oil infrastructure
-No idea if Xi will use nukes
-Bureaucrats have no idea what Xi wants, just parrot his public statements
-Putin won't use nukes so long as status quo maintains
-Tac nuke use by Russia is pretty much going to guarantee nuking them to shit, they were told this 6 months in
Peter laments the Americans saying "AFUERA! to internationalism, most the Europeans aren't ready for military competition, countries that don't think they can win/aren't prepared for a conventional fight get nukes, Europe is going to get a lot more tactical and strategic nukes:
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
America withdrawing into isolation might actually be a good thing for Europe, militarily speaking. The culture of parasitism would be gone and we’d have to rearm very quickly, whilst relearning how to have a more robust foreign policy.
Europe also has centuries of military tradition to draw on. A rebuilt Prussian war machine in Germany’s case could most likely beat the piss out of the Russians, given what we’ve seen of their performance so far.
A rearmed Europe is the beginning of the rebirth of European power.
Europe also has centuries of military tradition to draw on. A rebuilt Prussian war machine in Germany’s case could most likely beat the piss out of the Russians, given what we’ve seen of their performance so far.
A rearmed Europe is the beginning of the rebirth of European power.
Terthna
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Except those "centuries of military tradition" were mostly spent fighting amongst themselves, and the existence of the European Union (who's collapse is inevitable, and would accelerate with America's withdrawal from Europe) has only stoked tensions in the region. A rebuilt German military would more likely be used to invade one of its neighbors, than protect them from Russia.
UberIguana
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It's worth bearing in mind that 'Prussia' as it was, now mostly makes up northern Poland and Kaliningrad. Yes, the ethnic Germans who lived there were forced to move to modern Germany, but Prussia as a nation or identity doesn't really exist anymore, certainly not in the way it did back then.
AnimalNoodles
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So be it.