peter Zeihan 2020
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They can in theory grow it on already cleared lands wheat is basically a weed if this variant can grow in the tropics your good.Cool. How much rain forest they going to bulldoze to grow it?
The cleared lands were cleared to grow sugar cane, which they use for ethanol fuel, which is what gave them financial incentive to clear that land. The thing is, rainforest soil is not terribly good for growing crops and will quickly become unsuitable to grow them, which is why the cycle continues. I'm sure this would just give them even more incentive to clear even more land they can lay waste to.
Cool. How much rain forest they going to bulldoze to grow it?
They may be able to grow the wheat in the eastern part of the nation that is more flat and dry, and wheat can be grown in place with the jungle with a little ingenuity and proper care; trees providing shade to the plants would also help protect from overheating the crop and reduce soil erosion.
People can make jungles into gardens, if they are purposeful and act with long term cultivation measures in mind. Recycling wheat chaff back into the soil, using native plants to help reinforce the soils as you plant the wheat, literally just throwing natural nitrogen fixers into the soil and throwing mulch of native trees over the area as they plant would do massive amounts to protect the land in the long term and make it a breadbasket instead of a niche industry.
And if necessary, grow bags are a thing, and an individual wheat stalk doesn't take up a huge volume of space, so they could literally make containerized farms with massive hydroponic set ups, which could also recycle the growth media for future plants, instead of needing straight jungle or plains soil that could erode away.
History Learner
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In further evidence of Peter Zeihan's world view being without merit:
Yeah, Qatar is buddy buddy with Iran since what, over a decade, especially tightening after the 2017 diplomatic crisis.
As for the rest of BRICS? Ha, ha, ha. This organization makes drug cartel internal politics look tame and reasonable.
gral
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Theoretically, none, as it will be grown on the Brazilian savannah. In reality? Impossible to know, but given that the environmental agenda lost a lot of strength recently, people won't care.Cool. How much rain forest they going to bulldoze to grow it?
LordsFire
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Oh no! It'd take... zero additional minutes to sink their combined navies and enforce control of the Straits of Hormuz! Whatever will be done?
Morphic Tide
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Hell, it'd probably bring down the time needed to do so from them fucking up attempts at force concentration
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Saudi Arabia and Iran in joint military exercises. Yeah, that isn't happening. Israel and Saudi Arabia in joint military exercises is substantially more likely.
Saudi Arabia and Iran creating a joint Navy? Hell would freeze over first.
Saudi Arabia and Iran in joint military exercises. Yeah, that isn't happening. Israel and Saudi Arabia in joint military exercises is substantially more likely.
Saudi Arabia and Iran creating a joint Navy? Hell would freeze over first.
Maybe. But on the other hand, people probably said the same thing about, say, Nazi Germany and the USSR working together.
Then the Molotov Ribbentrop pact happened.
And after that Germany invaded the Soviet union proving the critics right in the long term
True. But that didn’t make much a difference for Poland.
Poland is the Charlie brown of countries.
History Learner
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Well first, the core premise of Zeihan is that Globalization is dying on the primary basis of the U.S. Navy retreating from protecting the sea lanes. Zeihan argues this leads to a proliferation of pirates that choke global trade...instead we now see regional naval alliances rising up among former enemies that, while they can't stop CBGs, can prevent pirates. Ergo, one of Zeihan's main points literally got debunked in the space of about two months this year.
Moving on, there's also the question of long term USN sustainability at all best shown by this graph:
History Learner
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I think we forget this literally happened in March:
A joint navy, sure. Joint naval task forces like Sino-Russians, and RIMPAC? Yes, which is what this is.