CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
Didn't Sam get with a hobbit girl when he went back home?
New Wonder Woman: Rescuing "Refugees" with gay Steve Trevor...
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Didn't Sam get with a hobbit girl when he went back home?
Yeah he married Rosie Cotton the Hobbit but I am sure some writer would ignore it over Tolkien rolling in his grave, after all the Hobbit Movie had that unspoken 'thing' with Gandalf and Galadriel despite the fact that she's married to Celeborn who we see stand besides her in her first appearance in fellowship and the fact that all canon says contrary to them being anything other than really good friends.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
Honestly, this makes me think that stuff like the movies or live-action isn't made for the fans of the original work
Hell, they probably spit on all that old expanded universe stuff, the old comicbooks, the old tv shows and movies, the books etc
This is all for a new audience of NOT!Fanboys/girls who have pretty much no knowledge of both the past and all that extra material that would come with being a "scholar" of a fictional entertainment franchise or even being an ACTUAL scholar on real-life-history. It's both for indoctrination, WOKE Points for the author and because they don't care about stuff like continuity/consistency or were interested in the whole wider world of it.
God, this reminds me of my talk with the guy who made that ASOIAF/Future-RL fic, guy ONLY knows the MCU and whenever I talked about the comics I could tell he was sorta mocking it and saying it's obsolete and the like
I agree, their is nothing wrong with liking new media as long as you realize that canon supersedes it and you generally respect the source material.
'The Hobbit' films for example failed to surpass the original trilogy because anyone who's read the books will instantly realize that the shear amount of bull thrown in makes the films unwatchable.
Wherever it be continuity errors, people (Gandalf and Radagast) teleporting insane distances for plot convenience, action scenes that make the protagonist seem completely invulnerable or running roughshod over canon for a quick buck to seem 'inclusive' in a lot of instances like the laketown women fighting, which seemed more insulting than otherwise, the before mentioned Galadriel/Gandalf thing or a stupid Legomance/Dwarf love triangle that was completely unnecessary.
And fun fact on the last point, the actress who originally played Tauriel in The Hobbit was promised there was going to be no romance and she would just be Legolas's friend and a strong female lead. (Which I and probably most other's would have been fine with, but no! their was too much Legomance online for Warner Bros to not give into the demand to produce the most insulting, contrived and stereotypical Mary Sue fill in character rather than a realistic strong female lead that was likable but didn't destract from the main story.)
Anyway I ramble, I have no problem with people adding new lore as long as it doesn't change or contradict canon, but this spiting on all established sources so you can make thing's 'inclusive' has got to stop. (The only exception to this rule being when something is obviously not cannon but it is rather acknowleged as a 'what if' like Shadow of Mordor or Force Unleashed that are set apart in AU's to specifically create something for fun.)
Wonder Woman has always been bi-coded. Given the times, it was hard to put explicitly into text, but the creator was in a long term kinky throuple with 2 woman, and really into the idea of a Matriarchy. There's a reason Wonder Woman's original weakness was bondage, for example, and there are old comic strips of her tying up other Amazons and spanking them. Wonder Woman being written as exclusively straight is what is violating canon.
The problem is Steve. He's straight, and getting rid of him and his being a soldier is what annoys me. They've completely wrecked his character. If they wanted a gay relationship, just write a new character.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
A totally new character would be harder or less likely to have permanency
Instead, it is easier/better to do “legacies” and/or “reimagining”
It’s like how guys on FFN use In-Name-Only versions of characters like Harry Potter and Naruto even when it seems they have total disdain or lack of knowledge or memory of said characters, even worse for the latter, pretty much nothing to do with the Naruto series
I am not disputing this as like I said, Steve has been established as a character attracted to women while Diana has always been more ambiguous.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
Character? No, Steve Trevor and Wonder Woman are NOT characters
They are moulds, placeholders, "legacies" and things whose names can be used like skinsuits of a sort
Therefore, making him into a biracial gay couple is a "legacy"....also again easier to have more permanence in canon, maybe
Wonder Woman has a pretty consistent character, outside of some early installment weirdness. I'm not sure where yu are getting this?
Darmani
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I'm more put out by the fact that apparently him being gay somehow morally correct him that's the creepiest aspect about all of this. People of always been changing his origin from World War II to crash World War II pilot 2 special agent. It's been all over the place I like Lois Lane he's never been at Central as much as Wonder Woman herself. My new I feel like if they're so annoyed at the idea of defining a Woman by her desire for a man that you just cut the cord and have Etta candy be the one who crashes gets healed up and then takes her back to join in a Triad with her husband Steve Trevor well partner because they decided they didn't want to officially get married. They're complete Marston shout out and you don't feel like you're betraying the lesbian Sisterhood
I mean I'm one level I want there to be a use where we change sexuality and it's just considered a thing but let's not kid ourselves once a character caught the gay either straight fans will object or just traditional ones well or it's going to be the only to find anything about them see Maggie Sawyer and Renee Montoya nothing matters just so long as they are lesbian
Really that just puts me off because I mean it's not like gay men can't be soldiers or cruel or part of a group that is part of oppressing someone else. It feels oddly like a work around like how you know Gamers often made female characters lesbians it was less because they were pro-gay and more thank God I don't have to worry about being exposed to dick
Okay mainly because it's not so much heterosexuality so much as all the assumptions that come with it. A woman who has sex with a man is assumed and even internally often feels pressured to make a committed relationship with that man making heterosexuality the taboo means that even if you like it and engaging it it's something you don't have to commit to or subordinate yourself too.
I disagree going for more figures so that you can draw more crowds with more human proportions at interrelations focusing on the action and dialogue is perfectly legitimate. I have to be honest I'm a little dead on pin-up art in constant Splash poses this is the other line to that especially when you want to emphasize human interactivity the human interactivity
that was literally by the author and that's very much set up it's a blinking mixit moment but read the last page of the encounter in the train station of Deathly Hallows. Not to mention the idea of what's going on with Dumbledore is very well seeded. The social pressures that the older and different cast face of the time are very important Hermione for being an immigrant's to The Wizarding World. Harry being a child celebrity. Ron being a traditional butt on the downward spiral. Hagrid has implications of both class as well as racial Heritage. All these people experience turn pressure from The Wider Society often represented by the slytherins or the ministry of magic. But Dumbledore in terms of pedigree should be a perfect fit and get almost everyone is against. What's his secret why are people against them. Especially with book 3 with deliberate Illusions to a teacher with AIDS or possibly being gay something that was really emphasized in the movie adaptation As well as a scene with Dumbledore talking about as soon as he took up his Headmaster ship he constantly received letters about complaint as opposed to just acceptance. I admit it was a little after the fact so that it didn't interrupt any appeal of the work. But it's one of those that fit.
Now you want to talk Bobby Iceman Drake? Even though they did have some set up for that it's still was terrible at the very least you think they haven't moved towards bisexual or have him confront his own internalized hoping a phobia making it impossible for him to be himself and pursue things like interior decorating or anything else artistic because he fears catching the gay. I think there's even better transition with him dating one mutant who literally swapped her sex when she changed from one form to another via a cloud. and of course there's the time he got turned by the very male presenting robot
None of that justifies the psychic outing and afterwards how he got characterized
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LifeisTiresome
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Lol what?
Its not so much heterosexuality thats a problem and yet then you say that it has to be made taboo.
So heterosexuality is evil but all other sexualities are good. Man, the Christians were totally right about the slippery slope.
Shadepen97
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Funny that I a Christian have never heard of such a thing in any church I have ever entered, Catholic or otherwise. I have only heard that argument from politicians, and activists. Our local priests (mostly non-catholic) have many disagreements on matters of faith and God, but the one thing they agree about was that the gays are all goodly folk who are most assuredly not sodomites and are otherwise decent and normal people.
These are not sarcastic statements, these real and authentic anecdotal statements from my own experience fro having lived in about 7 states in the USA and for 17 months in Japan. Perhaps it is because I was only allowed into a few churches by my family and recent circumstances that made it unlikely for me to go to a new church in my area.
Edit: fixed some grammatical errors
Edit2: This was not meant to disparage you or insult you, I am genuinely interested in any Priests or scholars of the faith that you can point me to for their point of view on the question of the gay. My local catholic priests seem to views gay couples as mostly chaste romantically involved men, to whom the idea of sodomy is anathema.
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CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
I don’t think it’s simply just the attraction between males and females, even regular gays and lesbians probably would be better attracted to masculine men and feminine women
There’s a slight degree of desiring to break “stereotypes” in my opinion
Because said “stereotypes” have “high standards” of a sort
Anyway back on topic
I think he's just getting at bad sarcasm.
Yeah, sorta what I was doing, bad sarcasm more-or-less
Characters are more-or-less skinsuits, especially when they’re written by multiple different authors at some point
Hell, it’s why I can see Captain America like TOTALLY supporting outright Communism
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Captain America killed countless commies, he'd be the first on the street to decepticate more commie-scum.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
Did he kill them during WWII or after he got defrosted?
That’s the thing, I think people think the Communists to be heroes because they fought against the NAZI’a during WWII
And SJW!Captain America can go on and on about how EVIL the USA is and how that EVIL can be redeemed via COMMUNISM
Or at the very least a very crazy ANTIFA rioting version of Star Trek’s Federation taking over
Darmani
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Okay mainly because it's not so much heterosexuality so much as all the assumptions that come with it. A woman who has sex with a man is assumed and even internally often feels pressured to make a committed relationship with that man. making heterosexuality the taboo means that even if you like it and engage in it it's something you don't have to commit to or subordinate yourself too.
I disagree going for more figures so that you can draw more crowds with more human proportions at interrelations focusing on the action and dialogue is perfectly legitimate. I have to be honest I'm a little dead on pin-up art in constant Splash poses. this is the other side of the line to that especially when you want to emphasize the human interactivity
that was literally by the author and that's very much set up it's a blinking mixit moment but read the last page of the encounter in the train station of Deathly Hallows. Not to mention the idea of what's going on with Dumbledore is very well seeded. The social pressures that the older and different cast face of the time are very important Hermione for being an immigrant's to The Wizarding World. Harry being a child celebrity. Ron being a traditional butt on the downward spiral. Hagrid has implications of both class as well as racial Heritage. All these people experience pressure from The Wider Society often represented by the slytherins or the ministry of magic. But Dumbledore in terms of pedigree should be a perfect fit and yet almost everyone is against him and he for the others. What's his secret why is this?
. Especially with book 3 with deliberate lusions to a teacher with AIDS or possibly being gay something being outed and leaving in disgrace. that was really emphasized in the movie adaptation. As well as a scene with Dumbledore talking about as soon as he took up his Headmaster ship he constantly received letters about complaint as opposed to just acceptance.
I admit it was a little after the fact so that it didn't interrupt any appeal of the work. But it's one of those that fit.
Now you want to talk Bobby Iceman Drake? Even though they did have some set up for that it's still was terrible at the very least you think they haven't moved towards bisexual or have him confront his own internalized homophobia making it impossible for him to be himself and pursue things like interior decorating or anything else artistic because he fears catching the gay. I think there's even better transition with him dating one mutant who literally swapped her sex when she changed from one form to another via a cloud. and of course there's the time he got turned by the very male presenting robot.
None of that justifies the psychic outing and afterwards how he got characterized.
that's why they reckoned and the Steve Rogers was frozen because Tommy Smasher became guy who beat up anyone who disagree with mainstream America
The simple fact of the matter is social issues do not need a superhero they need communication and maturity. Superheroes are inherently fascists so much as they are very much born out of a desire for well a child watch their mother or father beat away their problems. Much like fairy tales can evolve into fantasy superheroes can move to more nuanced takes but it's nothing as simple as this superhero is good if they support this or be that so that is good or bad. All the very good superhero stories in fact confront this idea and take it down such as most famously Superman vs. The KKK in the radio show and even its modern-day reboot by my man Gene yang
I don't even mean superheroes should never be political but in many ways they always have to be the starting step not the end game
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LifeisTiresome
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Not a christian mate. But I remember seeing comments about how letting the gays marry which I supported btw would lead to all sorts of degeneracy and that marriage as an institution would become irrelevant and there was even talk of state enforced homosexuality.
We are seeing those things happen right before our eyes except for the state enforced part but you do have people like @Darmani say that heterosexuality must be made Taboo.
This answers nothing as its just you repeating yourself and speaking doubletalk that there is no problem with heterosexuality but then say it must be made taboo which means you do have a problem with it.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
I think "heterosexuality" sort of gives an Inferiority Complex, especially if you look at the beauty standards for males & females
Being "LGBT" particularly the more "stereotypical" kinds, even the ones who are just faking being Trans and lesbian for WOKE-Points, get to be as "unconventional" or below average as possible with their looks
LifeisTiresome
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Which is especially hilarious when you remember that leftists and LGBT cry about males having entitlement cause they complain about dating standards and yet here they are crying about heterosexuality and how its bad and needs to change to benefit them. Hypocrites, the left are utter hypocrites. One and all.