Business & Finance Nevada Bill allows Corporations to form their own Governments

[Terthna]

I have mixed feelings about it, tbh. I'm fairly moderate when it comes to the question of taxation and having entitlement programs, but when it comes to individual rights I'm full bore.

So am I; I spent some years thinking I was a "Libertarian" on the basis of individual rights alone, up until I found out what else they believed in.

 

[Captain X]

I'm cool being part of a sub-group and still calling myself libertarian, I guess. I also dig the logo:

 

[Terthna]

I'm cool being part of a sub-group and still calling myself libertarian, I guess. I also dig the logo:

Well, you're certain not representative of mainstream Libertarian political philosophy; but then again I'm not representative of the mainstream Left, even though I consider myself Left. We live in a world where the most insane extremists dominate the narrative.

 

[Robovski]

I was part of the fighting 1% back in the 90's, but I'm probably the pinkest Libertarian I know. Again, individual rights and liberties have been my focus, not on anarcho-capitalism. We do need a safety net for those who lose in the big game of capitalism, we do need to regulate and monitor businesses and industries to a degree and it's embarrassing how we handle health care here in the US. So I'm liberal in the old-school sense, which wasn't even an issue back when I was a young man starting out on this journey. Classical liberal values were generally well regarded once upon a time the Statue of Liberty is a icon of the party for a reason. Liberté, raison, fraternité and whatnot

 

[Rocinante]

I was part of the fighting 1% back in the 90's, but I'm probably the pinkest Libertarian I know. Again, individual rights and liberties have been my focus, not on anarcho-capitalism. We do need a safety net for those who lose in the big game of capitalism, we do need to regulate and monitor businesses and industries to a degree and it's embarrassing how we handle health care here in the US. So I'm liberal in the old-school sense, which wasn't even an issue back when I was a young man starting out on this journey. Classical liberal values were generally well regarded once upon a time the Statue of Liberty is a icon of the party for a reason. Liberté, raison, fraternité and whatnot

You've summed up well how I feel also.

If I have to pick a label, it's lower-case "L" libertarian or classical liberal. My primary drivers are civil/social liberty.

I continue to make the argument that republicans are actually the liberal party, now that the democrats have gone full blown authoritarian.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Can good ol' boys like Cliven Bundy and his friends incorporate their Ranch and other extensive land holdings and promote and practice responsible local self governance as well?

 

[almostinsane]

When I was part of a libertarian club in college, we'd meet for a half hour to complain about the government and walk over to the Irish pub on campus. We'd then get drunk, complain about the government, and talk about guns. And also get drunk more.

In short, we were representative of the libertarian movement in general.

 

[Rocinante]

When I was part of a libertarian club in college, we'd meet for a half hour to complain about the government and walk over to the Irish pub on campus. We'd then get drunk, complain about the government, and talk about guns. And also get drunk more.

In short, we were representative of the libertarian movement in general.

This is pretty accurate from my experience in college too TBH lol

 

[Battlegrinder]

In theory, I could see a reasonable case to allow local government functions to be contracted out to some kind of corporation (or rather, allow those functions to be contracted out on wider scale than what we already do), but that's a very different thing than allowing a local company that has it's own interests independent of the local area of the to just run the county directly. We've already have serious conflict of interest issues between local governments and corporations (Kelo vs New London being the stock example), this would only make those sorts of issues far worse.

 

[Captain X]

When I was part of a libertarian club in college, we'd meet for a half hour to complain about the government and walk over to the Irish pub on campus. We'd then get drunk, complain about the government, and talk about guns. And also get drunk more.

In short, we were representative of the libertarian movement in general.

You know, I never even thought of even looking for any kind of a libertarian club to join when I was in college. Of course, there's no booze allowed on campuses in my state, so there wouldn't have been any drinking unless we rented a party bus or went downtown in some kind of a convoy or something. No, my thing was the anime club, but I've found that there tends to be quite a bit over overlap between anime fandom and libertarianism. Hence the "defend waifu with raifu" meme.

In theory, I could see a reasonable case to allow local government functions to be contracted out to some kind of corporation (or rather, allow those functions to be contracted out on wider scale than what we already do), but that's a very different thing than allowing a local company that has it's own interests independent of the local area of the to just run the county directly. We've already have serious conflict of interest issues between local governments and corporations (Kelo vs New London being the stock example), this would only make those sorts of issues far worse.

There's already enough of the problem with things like private prisons which makes me really uncomfortable with private businesses having anything to do with enforcing any kind of laws. As it is, security companies are already kind of walking a fine line as far as I'm concerned, and should be more limited in what they can do, or at least more answerable for misconduct than they currently are. And when it comes to handling other things, it would just be adding another layer of bureaucracy, and make it even more difficult to address any problems, because it would become a game of hot potato between the contracting company and whatever government office contracted them as far as who was to blame.

 

[Doomsought]

When a corporation partners with the government, that is not capitalism. That is fascism.

Capitalism requires a government to prevent the corporations from employing coercion. That is why capitalist nations have anti-monopoly laws. Monopolies allow corporations to coerce people by threatening to cut off the supply of goods.

 

[Terthna]

You know, I never even thought of even looking for any kind of a libertarian club to join when I was in college. Of course, there's no booze allowed on campuses in my state, so there wouldn't have been any drinking unless we rented a party bus or went downtown in some kind of a convoy or something. No, my thing was the anime club, but I've found that there tends to be quite a bit over overlap between anime fandom and libertarianism. Hence the "defend waifu with raifu" meme.

I was part of the D&D club when I went to DeVry; they're weren't that many clubs to choose from, and I was damned if I was going to join the club that just wanted to build robots. Then it turned out the same guy was in charge of both, and happened to be a terrible DM. One bad roll for a sneaking attempt; rocks fall, entire campaign is over. Even the guys who weren't anywhere near there had to die.

 

[Rocinante]

You know, I never even thought of even looking for any kind of a libertarian club to join when I was in college. Of course, there's no booze allowed on campuses in my state, so there wouldn't have been any drinking unless we rented a party bus or went downtown in some kind of a convoy or something. No, my thing was the anime club, but I've found that there tends to be quite a bit over overlap between anime fandom and libertarianism. Hence the "defend waifu with raifu" meme.


There's already enough of the problem with things like private prisons which makes me really uncomfortable with private businesses having anything to do with enforcing any kind of laws. As it is, security companies are already kind of walking a fine line as far as I'm concerned, and should be more limited in what they can do, or at least more answerable for misconduct than they currently are. And when it comes to handling other things, it would just be adding another layer of bureaucracy, and make it even more difficult to address any problems, because it would become a game of hot potato between the contracting company and whatever government office contracted them as far as who was to blame.

We had a dry campus too but the edges of the campus started to intermingle with the city and thanks to the campus being dry and the city right there, there was a VERY robust entertainment district, and a huge set of non-university associated student housing right next to all the frat and sorority houses....(which we drank in regardless of whether it was a dry campus)

Long story short I went to a party school and most of our activities ended in drinking

I didn't learn much in college but I got the full college party experience and a piece of paper that gets me jobs, so I guess it worked out lol

 

[Sailor.X]

This hasn't been voted on yet and hopefully will die stillborn. Nevada is making plans to let tech corporations form their own county-level governments where the corporation will have the authority to impose taxes, assign schools, put their own judges and police forces in place etc. This “alternative form of local government” is because traditional government is apparently inadequate.

Because company towns worked out so well last time, I'm sure nothing bad will happen from the police, judges, zoning enforcement, and entire school staff working directly for a megacorporation that also owns all the lands and buildings and collects their own taxes on top of collecting their rent directly from the paycheck they give you.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/nevada/articles/2021-02-04/nevada-bill-would-allow-tech-companies-to-create-governments

Welp that Cotton ain't gonna pick itself!!! "Joe Biden"

 

[Floridaman]

In practice, libertarianism as a political ideology always seems to focus on anarcho-capitalism as the core of what it wants to push onto society; I understand it doesn't have to, but every single "Libertarian" I've talked to keeps pushing that angle.

Not all Ancaps are in favor of corporations. Your modern corporation has numerous privileges granted by the state, and without being protected would not be able to maintain themselves. As a very hard minarchist bordering that, the ancaps I deal with regularly complain about corps.

As for the bill, I am pragmatically in favor. Precisely because it is a bad idea it will backfire hard, I want the current strong government system to lose more legitimacy so pushing crap that makes both sides realize their enemy is the government can only be good.

 

[Battlegrinder]

Precisely because it is a bad idea it will backfire hard, I want the current strong government system to lose more legitimacy so pushing crap that makes both sides realize their enemy is the government can only be good.

Has accelerationism of this sort ever worked?

 

[Floridaman]

Has accelerationism of this sort ever worked?

I would argue it isnt really accelerationist. Accelerationism would involve encouraging them to take more power. This isn't really taking more power, this is them merely ending the facade that they won't solely act for those firms benefit. In effect I want the pretty lie that government is helping those firms for your sake to end. Instead I want it to be on big bold letters that those firms are their masters not you.
To be blunt if say apple moved to a small town they would defacto own the government no matter how much the politicians might pretend otherwise, consider all the kickbacks they get from the company, of course they fall in line.
Besides wouldn't accelerationism be me helping them do it, rather than making popcorn to watch them step on the rake?

 

[ShadowArxxy]

As for the bill, I am pragmatically in favor. Precisely because it is a bad idea it will backfire hard, I want the current strong government system to lose more legitimacy so pushing crap that makes both sides realize their enemy is the government can only be good.

How exactly do you imagine that the actions of a state government will somehow discredit the *federal* government, especially since the federal government would be the only authority that can step in and save the day when this goes horribly wrong?

 

[Floridaman]

How exactly do you imagine that the actions of a state government will somehow discredit the *federal* government, especially since the federal government would be the only authority that can step in and save the day when this goes horribly wrong?

You are i am only concerned about the feds, why? ALL government is the problem. The only difference is some are worse, but given the parties are the exact same, they are connected.

 

[Floridaman]

You are i am only concerned about the feds, why? ALL government is the problem. The only difference is some are worse, but given the parties are the exact same, they are connected.

The prior year demonstrated the states can destroy your livelihood just as ably as the morons in DC. And no it makes no difference whether the tyrants live five minutes away or 5000 miles away.