#MeToo and Cancel Culture: Friday is bring your own torches and pitchforks day!

[LordsFire]

Historically speaking, 11-8 more years until we get another larger, angier and just plain madder populist uprising which by the way will be the last chance at peaceful reform. If that fails there will be the mother of all crack downs by the left, including stacking the supreme court, open cheating and murder to maintain power.

Then after that we get 30 years or so of civilizational civil war....

So if the intiital backlash fails expect millions of people to die.

You know, you parrot the exact same lines again and again. Your belief that we're going to rehash not just something similar, but a near-identical repeat of the fall of the Roman Republic has gotten to the point where I literally ignore any of your posts that start down that direction.

It comes across as more of a liturgy than an actual thought-out point or contribution to discussion.

 

[Cherico]

You know, you parrot the exact same lines again and again. Your belief that we're going to rehash not just something similar, but a near-identical repeat of the fall of the Roman Republic has gotten to the point where I literally ignore any of your posts that start down that direction.

It comes across as more of a liturgy than an actual thought-out point or contribution to discussion.

Its not just us that went through this process, China went through it too, and before rome the near eastern kingdoms went through a similar process. Civilizations seem to go through a long drawn out cycle where things happen. There are differences but the gist the core remains the same.

We have an entrenched elite who are following similar cultish belife systems that are out of step with the common citizendry and are drinking their own koolaid, they increasingly break cultural and civilizational norms and rules. Rules that have been followed for generations.

This has happened before maybe we can deal with this all peacefully, I in fact hope thats the case. But I see too much open corruption too much willing weakness and people insisting on making the same mistakes of the past and thinking they wont have similar results. I think things are going to be fucked up for awhile a long while, but I do see hope down the line.

Its just going to be a bitch getting from point A to point B.

 

[Terthna]

Bill Cosby to walk free after court overturns sex assault conviction

Bill Cosby will be released from prison after a Pennsylvania court overturned his conviction.

nypost.com

I'm not sure how I should feel about this. I was convinced that he did actually rape those girls, but the circumstance in which he was convicted always felt wrong to me. Ah well; he's an old man now. Not much damage he can do at this point, and I've always tried to hold to the belief that criminal sentences are not about punishment, but rather rehabilitation and preventing further harm.

 

[LordsFire]

Bill Cosby to walk free after court overturns sex assault conviction

Bill Cosby will be released from prison after a Pennsylvania court overturned his conviction.

nypost.com

I'm not sure how I should feel about this. I was convinced that he did actually rape those girls, but the circumstance in which he was convicted always felt wrong to me. Ah well; he's an old man now. Not much damage he can do at this point, and I've always tried to hold to the belief that criminal sentences are not about punishment, but rather rehabilitation and preventing further harm.

Just keep in mind that punishment is partof rehabilitation and preventing further harm. Deterrent is important, as is the victim (and those close to them) seeing that the courts have meted out a reasonable punishment, so there's no need for them to take things into their own hands.

 

[Terthna]

Just keep in mind that punishment is partof rehabilitation and preventing further harm. Deterrent is important, as is the victim (and those close to them) seeing that the courts have meted out a reasonable punishment, so there's no need for them to take things into their own hands.

Perhaps, but I've heard too many try to argue that death is the only reasonable punishment for any crime.

 

[Jaenera Targaryen]

Perhaps, but I've heard too many try to argue that death is the only reasonable punishment for any crime.

Depends on which crime. Traitors, rapists, serial killers, kidnappers, and murderers should all hang IMVHO.

 

[Terthna]

Depends on which crime. Traitors, rapists, serial killers, kidnappers, and murderers should all hang IMVHO.

I personally don't support the death penalty for any crime for a number of reasons; not least of which being that, once you execute someone, you can't take it back once evidence later comes to light proving the accused's innocence. Also, turns out it's a hell of a lot more expensive to execute someone as opposed to simply imprisoning them for life; mostly because of all the safeguards we put in place to ensure that we're not killing the wrong guy.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

And the pressure continues to build.

The eventually backlash is going to be interesting.

There will be no 'backlash'. Just powerless fuming as everything falls apart. Only then will real alternatives be able to assert themselves.

 

[Sailor.X]

Bill Cosby to walk free after court overturns sex assault conviction

Bill Cosby will be released from prison after a Pennsylvania court overturned his conviction.

nypost.com

I'm not sure how I should feel about this. I was convinced that he did actually rape those girls, but the circumstance in which he was convicted always felt wrong to me. Ah well; he's an old man now. Not much damage he can do at this point, and I've always tried to hold to the belief that criminal sentences are not about punishment, but rather rehabilitation and preventing further harm.

Ahem......



The shit done to Mr Cosby was really shady.

 

[Bear Ribs]

Cosby was an intensely political target. Though consistently a democrat, he took a hard line for personal responsibility and constantly cajoled black culture to abandon victimization and blame games in favor of a strong nuclear family and focus on education, improving themselves rather than complaining that things weren't fair enough.

The Cosby Show was based on his beliefs and the Huxtable family was closely modeled on his ideals, an upwardly-mobile middle-class family with two parents active in their children's lives and welfare. The multi-season plot revolved around getting the kids college educations, ending in the series finale when the son managed to overcome his dyslexia and finally graduate.

That generated a fair amount of heat and Cosby's been dealing with attacks from his own party over it for a long time.

 

[S'task]

Cosby was an intensely political target. Though consistently a democrat, he took a hard line for personal responsibility and constantly cajoled black culture to abandon victimization and blame games in favor of a strong nuclear family and focus on education, improving themselves rather than complaining that things weren't fair enough.

The Cosby Show was based on his beliefs and the Huxtable family was closely modeled on his ideals, an upwardly-mobile middle-class family with two parents active in their children's lives and welfare. The multi-season plot revolved around getting the kids college educations, ending in the series finale when the son managed to overcome his dyslexia and finally graduate.

That generated a fair amount of heat and Cosby's been dealing with attacks from his own party over it for a long time.

His focus on personal responsibility, his love of the middle class traditional family values (seriously, both the Cosby Show and much of his standup was based upon poking loving fun at family antics), and his general persona got him called "America's Dad" back at the height of the Cosby Show in the late 1980s. And the Cosby show wasn't just beloved by left wingers, many MANY right wing families enjoyed and loved the show, it was one of the most popular family sitcoms of the period, and nobody in the country cared that it was a black man whom was seen as an idealized father figure for men in general.

In the oh so racist 1980s... a black man was considered "America's Dad"... stop and really think about it.

I cannot help but think a large part of the motive for destroying Cosby was that he was an outspoken proponent of personal responsibility and a highly visible public figure that did not toe the line of "black victimhood".

 

[Terthna]

Ahem......



The shit done to Mr Cosby was really shady.

...Okay, I'm convinced; Cosby did not rape those women. Or at least, I'd need to see some pretty convincing evidence beyond parading a series of women claiming he did, before I change my mind again.

 

[Bacle]

 

[AndrewJTalon]

A very good article on the nature of the conflict facing us:

Culture Wars are Long Wars

We are told that we “lost the culture war.” I dissent from this view: we never waged a culture war. Conservatives certainly fought, there is no denying that. We fought with every bit of obstruction…

scholars-stage.org

 

[Bacle]

A very good article on the nature of the conflict facing us:

Culture Wars are Long Wars

We are told that we “lost the culture war.” I dissent from this view: we never waged a culture war. Conservatives certainly fought, there is no denying that. We fought with every bit of obstruction…

scholars-stage.org

Yep. Saw it a few days ago and read through it.

It breaks down the reality of how part of the culture war has played out, and will likely continue to play out in the future.

'The Culture War is fought in the minds of the unborn.' is a very profound insight.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Yep. Saw it a few days ago and read through it.

It breaks down the reality of how part of the culture war has played out, and will likely continue to play out in the future.

'The Culture War is fought in the minds of the unborn.' is a very profound insight.

this comment struck my eye:

The sulla/caesar stuff I think is a fantasy. Everyone wants a Salazar, but its a roll of the dice, and you are just as likely to get a Stalin. Terribly conceived IMHO.

 

[ATP]

this comment struck my eye:

Indeed.I would blame Napoleon - he really was genius ,so after him many would -be- Napoleons was welcomed by troubled nations.At best they get Salazar,at worst - Chavez.

 

[LindyAF]

On cosby, Even if the women had asked for the drugs and knowingly taken them themselves (a story I think is ridiculous), that's still not exculpatory. This isn't exactly, "oh they were young adults, one or both of which was tipsy." The drugs were date rape drugs. If someone gives someone else date rape drugs, and even if they knowingly take them themselves, it's still both immoral and illegal for the drugger to have sex with the drugged person.

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

On cosby, Even if the women had asked for the drugs and knowingly taken them themselves (a story I think is ridiculous), that's still not exculpatory. This isn't exactly, "oh they were young adults, one or both of which was tipsy." The drugs were date rape drugs. If someone gives someone else date rape drugs, and even if they knowingly take them themselves, it's still both immoral and illegal for the drugger to have sex with the drugged person.

Could you just admit you are wrong rather than trying to grasp at straws? It is pathetic that people won't admit they took part in a mob lynching of an innocent man.

 

[LindyAF]

Could you just admit you are wrong rather than trying to grasp at straws? It is pathetic that people won't admit they took part in a mob lynching of an innocent man.

I think it's a shame cosby was only lynched in the sense of "people online said that they thought he was guilty."

I have not seen anything that leads me to believe he is innocent of the case he was convicted of, here or elsewhere - you are welcome to present whatever evidence you think you have. I am not going to watch twenty minute videos of some middle aged redditor, though, you'll have to put it in writing.

He got off on an issue with the process of the case - he admitted under oath to drugging women (he says with their knowledge) as part of the civil suit against him. This testimony was then used as evidence against him in the criminal case. Since he didn't have the right to remain silent in the civil suit, the court ruled that his fifth amendment right to remain silent was unlawfully infringed on. He was not released because there was any new evidence that suggests that he was not guilty. There is no evidence nor any motive if he did not do it for him to have lied about drugging women who he then had sex with.